3RAR????

[Geo]

i was wondering if you have to go through a selection to join 3RAR and is the selection like the british parachute regiment's. Also canyou join 3RAR straight from enlistment

any info on 3RAR would be helpfull thanks

geo

[abprar]

In 1991 they had direct entry to 3RAR which I was part of ,they also had it for 8/9 RAR and 2 CAV.It was very successful but got canned cause everyone wanted to be in a major city and no one wanted to go to Townsville.
There is no selection to get into 3 but they use to have a training platoon in Dcoy for all new march in's.Which lasted 3 weeks.
With my direct entry, 162 blokes started and 48 made it.It was split into 2 platoons(big platoons) at kapooka and 1 platoon at singleton.
You have to volunteer to jump for starters and get to infantry.That does not mean you will go to 3,they will send you where every they need blokes.My guess is who ever is going to Timor next will get the in take of blokes.
Our army is basically anti-airborne.Be warned.The RAR is small and they hate the dull cherry beret.3 does exchanges with the brits,for officers and NCO's.Its a good battalion with a good history and espirit de corp.Its not like the british thats to unAustralian,we do it our way but take bits and pieces from other airborne forces.If you go to 3 you will be part of an airborne brotherhood that is world wide.I've talked jumps with everyone from Russians to israelis.Normal infantry is just to boring.
3 is nothing but infantry when it hits the ground and its not special.

[unodir33]

thanks for the info.i wasjust wondering if youare still in 3RAR if so could you email me as i wish to enlist next year and join 3RAR once again thanks

[abprar]

No I'm not still in 3,there was 12 blokes left after their 4 year contract and I was the first to get out after completing his contract.I still keep in touch and sometimes go to parades.
I've served with 6RAR in Timor as a full time reservist,I am now in Reserve and still proudly wear my wings.
That and the infantry combat badge is the only decorations I actually care about.
I just saw 3 on the news jumping with the yanks.For more info on the aussie army go www.diggerz.org (http://www.diggerz.org) ,its like this site but devoted to the aussie army and there are some good blokes on it from all conflicts.
My name is gusto on that site.
Put it this way I've been all over the world but the days I remember most were in 3 the best mates in the world.
When the whole battalion is in the sky coming in for a jump the feeling is second to none.They drop the ramp let the heavy drop go,your looking out at all the hercs behind,your hooked up good to go,man the complete hype and the feeling of "this is the shit" fucking airborne man.
I think of it today or see it on the news ,I get hyped up.And jumping with poms and yanks is awesome the the feeling of brotherhood is immense.Thats my story but some guys hated it.You just got to get into the spirit and history.

[zeroalpha]

SOURCE: Melbourne Age - May 9, 2001

Jill Jollife, Dariwn -- An Australian Army intelligence officer
who served in East Timor has accused the Federal Government of
concealing vital evidence on Indonesian army and militia war
crimes in 1999.

Captain Andrew Plunkett, of 3rd Battalion, Royal Australian
Regiment, has alleged that a massacre of more than 40 people at a
police station in the border town of Maliana in September, 1999,
might not have occurred if the government had acted on
intelligence information predicting the killings.

He also alleged that Australian soldiers from the International
Force in East Timor who entered Maliana after the massacre had
orders to understate the death toll.

As a serving officer, Captain Plunkett risks prosecution for his
declarations, made in an interview with The Age and in greater
detail in a two-part edition of SBS's Dateline that begins
tonight. But he said he wanted the truth told regardless of the
penalty.

A spokesman for Foreign Minister Alexander Downer said last night
the minister denied the allegations. "We would absolutely reject
any assertion we were withholding information relating to the
safety of people on the ground," the spokesman said. Mr Downer
also denied claims that soldiers were ordered to understate death
tolls, he said.

Captain Plunkett is on convalescent leave for post-traumatic
stress suffered during his Timor mission, which involved
examining mass graves. He said his decision to talk was also
influenced by his belief that an international war crimes
tribunal was needed to investigate East Timor atrocities.

Leaks to the media have revealed that Australian intelligence
agencies were aware of the extent of Indonesian military
involvement in orchestrating the 1999 violence.

But Mr Plunkett's allegations, and other revelations on Dateline,
are the first direct accounts from intelligence insiders and the
first accounts of prior knowledge of a specific mass killing .

Captain Plunkett arrived in East Timor with the first INTERFET
soldiers in late 1999, serving until February, 2000. He said that
before the referendum he had seen accurate reports from the
Australian Defence Intelligence Organisation, "none of which were
being passed on to the UN on the ground".

On the Maliana killings, Captain Plunkett said Australian sources
had accurately reported on Indonesian plans to kill independence
supporters in Maliana, but their reports were "pushed up the
chain of command, hosed down and politically wordsmithed by the
Asia division of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade".

He said the information was "held" at the department instead of
being passed to UN observers in Maliana who could have warned the
population. Captain Plunkett said the reports held by the
Australian Government had come from "human intelligence" sources
in Maliana.

One of these sources was Wayne Sievers, at the time an Australian
Federal Police officer serving with an unarmed UN force. Mr
Sievers told Dateline that two of his reports on developments in
Maliana were sent to the UN before the referendum, but officials
and Australian diplomats ignored them.

Mr Sievers said he reported on plans by Indonesian officers and
militia leaders to kill independence supporters in Maliana,
predicting how and when the killings would take place. He said he
also sent his reports to a friend in the Australian defence
intelligence community.

Captain Plunkett said the UN subsequently told people in Maliana
that if violence erupted they should go to the police station,
where Indonesian police would protect them.

Instead of finding the sanctuary they sought, several thousand
people were trapped in the police grounds. According to
survivors, on September 8, 1999, the area was surrounded by
militiamen, with Indonesian police and soldiers forming a ring
behind them. The militias hacked independence supporters to death
with machetes in front of the assembled crowd. About 47 people
were killed.

He said Australian troops were aware that many victims of various
acts of violence had probably been dumped at sea or in rivers,
but estimates of these could not be included in body counts.

He said that as a result the official body count registered for
post-election violence in Maliana was about 12, whereas as an
intelligence officer he had evidence of more than 60 bodies in
Maliana town and the surrounding area.

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[abprar]

The Capt Plun is infantry corp not int corp.He was int officer for the battalion,a infantry role.
So I don't know why they say he is part of the int community.If he is so am I.
What he says I know nothing about but a few policemen and NGO's are backing him up.
I won't say what I've heard about him from serving members,which has no bearing on his allegations....As if our government didn't know.

[This message has been edited by abprar (edited 05-17-2001).]

[MADMIK]

What the new Australian Army structure will be? And New Zealand removed some or all of their Air Force?? Crazy.

[zeroalpha]

NZ Govt has killed off the air combat wing of the RNZAF.

Probibly not all that silly when you look into it in depth. The air combat wing is (was) made of over 30+ yr old Skyhawk hand-me-downs ex Nam.

NZ is a little country with not a big defence budget. I think its realistic to not have an aircombat wing and 'specalise' into other things. Our Army has one of the best reps in the world, and with the killing off of the air combat wing, will have more $$$ to spend on important stuff. Like replacing the ex Nam. APCs that we have etc etc.

I think the idea is to have a really switched on army, with all the goodies ready to do what ever is needed. NZ doesnt need an Air Combat wing, we havent had a conflict by ourselves ever, and with what we could afford, maybe 20 odd planes, they wouldnt serve any real purpose anyway....

Mind you , Im biased I suppose.

Z

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[Sigsbee]

What does CAS stand for?:
Combat Air Support
Close Air Strike

Either way I think the NZ Army would have a much more effective force if it could train and operate with this kind of Military Aviation Asset.

An Army without CAS is a sitting Kiwi.

(interpretation: a Kiwi is a native NZ bird that would be 'sitting duck with out CAS')

[XS2]

Originally posted by Sigsbee:
What does CAS stand for?:
Combat Air Support
Close Air Strike

Close air support.

I am of a mixed opinion about the whole thing. The NZ govt is taking away the warfighting capability of the NZDF and replacing it with a peacekeeping force. The RNZN has been cut to the bone to support the current governments delusions, and that is a mistake!



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[GAM47]

The media has concentrated of the removal of the extremly effective Skyhawk light strike aircraft and the Macchi trainers.

1RNZIR and 2/1RNZIR are both being rejuced to two rifle coys, the QA Mounted Rifles disbanded, 16th Fd Regt RHQ and 163 Fd Bty disbanded, also the LLSAM Tp. The SAS Group reverts to a Sqn.

The six Orions in the RNZAF lose their combat role, the RNZN becomes a fishery protection service.

It's more than just the jets. In regard to new equipment, the 105 LAVIII IFVs were already on order and financed prior to the wholescale defence reductions. I'm afraid NZ Labor lesbians do lie!

Yours,
Jock in Sydney

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