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sfmedicw9
19 October 2008, 09:02
Gentlemen:

we have been working on getting the charter together for the SPECOPS Motorcycle club for a while now.

currently we have 6 planned chapters in FT Bragg NC (C1) Ft Stewart GA (2)
Pope AFB NC (3) Ft Lewis WA (4) , Coronado CA (5) McDill AFB FL. (6)

To meet the current charter requirements we need the following for each chapter:

- 10 members (plankholders)
- 1 president
- 1 treasurer
- 1 operations

We can start up three of these now but we want to wait until all are on board and have each chapters input on the laws and bylaws of the charter.

Up front - this isn't going to be an outlaw club or a 1% club

No Racist or Nazi Crap

No criminal activities (saves you money on 13 and ITCOB patches)

It is a big bike club (HD, Victory, Indian etc)

It is a patriots club

It will be a highway club - If you don't ride you dont stay

It will support the local community (toy drives , blood drives, Vet Funeral Escort and security, Anti USA groups will get to know us

We are making sure our specops identities play into the charter


Currently we have the full member eligibility down to actual team guys and associates down to past close support (suggestions welcome)

We need prospects and chapter officers

we hope to roll out NLT April 1 2009 for 1st local runs and May 15 for the national run (looking at several places mid point USA) suggestions again welcome

we currently have 32 names on the list for full and 40 for the associate

we want to have full participation in the process to ensure everyone is fairly represented.

Patch details are again open for ideas - the only thing that we aggree on now is SPECOPS is top rocker MC centered and seperate and Chapter is bottom rocker with FT or Base and State

If anyone is interested hit the email tab or the reply button

Ace
19 October 2008, 11:55
Currently we have the full member eligibility down to actual team guys and associates down to past close support (suggestions welcome)


Can you explain this a little better? So far the impression I have is that it's a SF club, not an SOF club, I may have the wrong impression.

Flying Pig
19 October 2008, 13:13
I dont know what your background it, but PLEASE......do not do the 3 piece patch. That is clearly a recognized symbol taken from outlaw motorcycle gangs. Having worked gangs, whether you are Special Forces or not, you are going to get confronted. They aren't going to care who you are or what you did in the past. Especially when you start selecting colors and start riding in their neighborhoods flying colors.

If you set up a 3 piece patch club in CA, you are going to get confronted by the Mongols, HA and the Vagos, and they WILL ask you who you are sponsored by. And an answer of "We are a Patriots Club" isnt the answer they are looking for. If you don't align or get the blessing of a larger club, So unless you are willing to begin engaging in criminal activity....expect these criminals to start taking your "cuts" right off the backs of your members. Ive seen number of clubs shut down, because they started off with the idea that nobody would bother them because they were just guys who liked to ride and they were wrong. In their eyes, and in the eyes of law enforcement, you dont select the 3 -piece for shits and giggles. You selected it to make a point. If you are attempting to exclude any law enforcement officers from your club, you just did by selecting the 3 piece. Yeah, I know all about the Blue Knights, and most cops I know still don't understand it. I dont know many agencies who wold allow officers to be a part of your organization. I know mine wouldnt, because of the things that are associated with it, and the recognized fact in gang culture that you dont wear that style of patch without the consent of a gang club. . And yes, agencies can fire cops for their associations.

Save yourself the trouble, and go with a single patch, not the top and bottom rockers. Especially when you start using the terms "prospect" and "full patch". Which I assume you will, because thats the intention of the 3 piece patch, which is a symbol of your ranking in the club. Your using the terminology and symbols associated with organized crime. And you will attract the unwanted attention that comes with it. Your not going to wear a 3 piece without attracting the attention of the nation wide gangs.

Ace
19 October 2008, 13:31
FP,

Well said. That is one of the reasons that "Rolling Thunder" have the 3rd "Chapter Patch" on the front or side and not the back. Saves a lot of hassle on both sides of the fence.

Flying Pig
19 October 2008, 13:50
^Thanks

And I wold like to point out that in NO WAY, do I think anyone here is trying to start an outlaw biker club. However, I think there are a lot of issues that the average person isnt aware of when it comes to these things. The other guys take that stuff very seriously. Just keep it in the back of your mind.

butch(4355)
19 October 2008, 15:02
With all due respect,



Heed the advice given in post # 3. The value of FP's words are larger than life at this point, in regard to your gameplan.

MakoZeroSix
19 October 2008, 18:30
Yeah, uh...don't you think the Wingmen might have something to say about you operating in Fayetteville?

As far as the 1% guys are concerned, though, I never did understand how SOF type bikers get all concerned about threats from scumbags. You'd think it'd be the other way around...

Ole crusty bastard
19 October 2008, 18:57
As far as the 1% guys are concerned, though, I never did understand how SOF type bikers get all concerned about threats from scumbags. You'd think it'd be the other way around...

I'm pretty sure that SOF type bikers are smart enough to know when and how to engage.

Sharky
19 October 2008, 19:14
Yeah, uh...don't you think the Wingmen might have something to say about you operating in Fayetteville?



I dont know about Bragg, but the Wingnuts around Benning were a joke.

MakoZeroSix
19 October 2008, 20:08
I dont know about Bragg, but the Wingnuts around Benning were a joke.

Really? They seem pretty well established in Fayetteville.

I have friends and co-workers who are Wingmen, and also SF Motorcycle Association. I've always been curious and kind of puzzled by the dynamics of how MCs interact with each other. I see all kinds of animosity between those two clubs, even though they are mainly SF. So, I don't have any preferences or anything, but it just seems silly to me that grown men have all kinds of beefs with each other over these weird rules and what not.

I'm pretty sure that SOF type bikers are smart enough to know when and how to engage.

I understand that. What I'm envisioning is something like this: An HA or Mongol comes into a SOF MC place, and tells them they need to take down their colors, or remove their patches, or whatever is bothering them. You'd think the SOF guys would them politely to leave before they go down a road they won't come back from. Or maybe I'm just naive. Its just what I would do.

Personally, I think that SfMedic should be able to start whatever kind of MC he wants, without fear of reprisal over a rocker or patch or whatever, or having to bend at the knee to criminals. I think its bizarre that people have to worry about stuff like that.

Jimbo
19 October 2008, 20:25
So, I don't have any preferences or anything, but it just seems silly to me that grown men have all kinds of beefs with each other over these weird rules and what not.

Sounds like a critique of the causes of WWI and II.

RAT
19 October 2008, 20:34
Thought there was already a club?

Am I wrong?

RO!!!

Frog
19 October 2008, 20:36
X2 on FP's post. Just read Queen's book.
Here at MacDill we already have an unauthorized SOF riders club that rides every weekend with all the bikers from SOCOM.

bobofthedesert
19 October 2008, 20:40
http://nwhog.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/when-iron-pigs-fly/


Blog of a discussion on this issue between an LEO and a 1%'er. The 1%'er pretty much lays it out as FP explained it......

Frog
19 October 2008, 21:26
http://nwhog.wordpress.com/2008/08/13/when-iron-pigs-fly/


Blog of a discussion on this issue between an LEO and a 1%'er. The 1%'er pretty much lays it out as FP explained it......

No one here has time to wade through all that BS on some blog. If you have something relative to the discussion, post it yourself.

TPD1280
20 October 2008, 08:33
Not only is 3 pieces an issue, the square MC patch will also garner attention.

As for the SF guys not being able tohandle themselves, that's not the issue. The issue is there are thousands of 1%ers. There will likely be less than a hundred of you. They have already demonstrated the willingness to blow people right off their bikes, yes for something as silly as a patch.

Don't think you will slip in under the radar, or that your organization will be too small for them to care about.

The 3 piece patch is their fuzzy green hat, tab, trident, etc. and their protect it jealously.

sfmedicw9
20 October 2008, 08:42
This is why I post here

- My impression of the 3 piece (riding 30 years + but never with colors) is that the problem with the 3 piece is the bottom rocker and named locations for the most part (our location wont be fayetteville nc it will be ft bragg. The MC isnt in the perimeter its inside centered.

Still a problem?

No this isnt an SF club any specops is eligible. We currently do have hooks at mcdill and several SEALs on board (we Will make sure all of our shiney things are secured 24/7) and several PJs are on the roledex sooo its non-denominational who we havent talked to is the USMC guys - wouldnt know where to begin there - suggestions/

The wingmen are not a problem in Fayetteville unless we draw off there membership. as far as HA , disciples,Banditos etc etc Ive been around them all and we definately arent the ones they confront (unless its a too much beer too little respect thing going on :-)

Matchanu
20 October 2008, 11:01
All around bad idea.

IMHO, just start with riding. No club, no prospects, no patches or other silly shit. The whole "oh I'm in a cool club" thing is going to attract a lot of people at first, most of whom will never actually participate in anything other than being in a cool guy club with a cool patch.

The patch thing attracts the wrong attention anyway. unless you want to be super gay like this group, http://www.silentskulls.com/


I consider the group of riders I ride with way outside of the "biker" culture. No "big bikes", or modern sport bikes, just vintage cafe bikes of varing styles. Yet, there is no chance of having a "back patch" of any sort, just to avoid the BS that is attached to that culture.


Besides, isn't having a giant fucking patch kind of going against the whole "quiet proffessional" persona?

I see the bikers wearing full ribbons, medals, pins, merit badges, etc.. and I can't help but roll my eyes. It looks like a collasal case of "Hey everyone, LOOK AT ME!".

Low key is far more cool.


Anyway, good luck with your venture.

RGR.Montcalm
20 October 2008, 11:19
Any thoughts on possibly making the name something like "Been There, Done That" - the people that matter will know what it means, if you have to have a patch to put on a jacket.

I saw a group riding this weekend- looking mighty God damned cold!- with "Iraqi Combat Vets" as a 'top scroll' and a skull with their Regimental mark (101st uses card deck symbols- club- 1 BDE, heart- 2 Bde, Torii- 3 BDE, spade- 4 bde).

Along comes another group - didn't get a view of the names on its but there were some stares back and forth on I-24 at 78 miles an hour that didn't appear amicable.

just food for thought...

MakoZeroSix
20 October 2008, 11:39
Sounds like a critique of the causes of WWI and II.

LOL. Since you put it that way, I guess it makes sense now...

godfather
20 October 2008, 11:47
I’ve ridden a bike my whole life. I had a motorcycle license before I had one for a car. I’ve never been inside the MC culture but I have been on the outskirts. I rode for years with a group of 10 or 12 guys. After a few years we took to calling ourselves by a name, even had tee shirts printed. One of the guys gets the idea to start an MC with our little group. I was not interested in the least but did keep up with their progress. Long story short they HAD to get a sponsor MC and in this case it was the Banditos (we are in Texas; it did not take a rocket scientist to see that coming). Needless to say these guys ended up not too happy. I don't have a single stitch in any of my ridding gear and it will stay that way, I don't want to get into a pissing match going 80 on two wheels. God luck with your club, I hope you’re able to avoid the troubles my buddies didn’t.

BrooklynBen
20 October 2008, 11:56
............Besides, isn't having a giant fucking patch kind of going against the whole "quiet proffessional" persona?

I see the bikers wearing full ribbons, medals, pins, merit badges, etc.. and I can't help but roll my eyes. It looks like a collasal case of "Hey everyone, LOOK AT ME!".

Low key is far more cool.
Anyway, good luck with your venture. X2.

Ole crusty bastard
20 October 2008, 12:06
The bottom line in this is there are riders out there that another arrest on their resume means nothing, while I'd venture that most all in your group has a security clearance to maintain.

You are who you are, no matter how the patches line up.

Ace
20 October 2008, 12:43
This is why I post here

- My impression of the 3 piece (riding 30 years + but never with colors) is that the problem with the 3 piece is the bottom rocker and named locations for the most part (our location wont be fayetteville nc it will be ft bragg. The MC isnt in the perimeter its inside centered.

Still a problem?

Yes, it's a problem. Like others here I have rode all of my life (started when I was 16, didn't get a car license until I joined the Army). The culture I rode with were not choir boys but not 1%rs either. I would party with them or go to a few of there runs, but that was about it.
As has been stated the 3 piece patch is a 1%'r version of the Beret or Trident, why go there?

No one will have a problem (well damn near no one, you'll get a few, but that happens) if you have only 2 patches on the back, put the third on the front/side. Not only will this save face with not having to get sanctioned it will also point out to other clubs that you are NOT a 1% club.

To add: The bottom patch is your third NOT the top one. Having your top patch not displayed gets into a whole different ball game/discussion.

Highspeed160th
20 October 2008, 12:56
The SFMC started out as a good idea gone bad. Because of turf wars mostly in Fayettenam., and internal squabbles.

Raised over 25K for SOWF. Good idea, but a run away train.

I'm an associate member.

Good luck!

butch(4355)
20 October 2008, 13:00
Yes it's still a problem.


The geometery of your colors won't matter to a prospect or a rookie patcher looking to make a name for himself. Then what?





I have this old pair of shoes in my closet.....




And your beer / respect comment just adds to the volitility.

Dark Helmet
20 October 2008, 13:54
I only recently became fascinated with the whole three-patch club thing when one of best friends (1/75 guy) joined the MVMC last year: http://www.militaryveteransmc.com/Requirements%20to%20join%20are.htm

Every single one of these guys is strapped when they ride with colors

Absolutely fascinating subculture out there and it is amazing to hear about the turf issues, protocols, etc. It sounds juvenile, but is indeed very real.

Highspeed160th
20 October 2008, 13:55
X2 ours in a one patch and it's still an issue. Not with any clubs here in Ohio. They view us like they do the goldwing riders. But around Fayetteville it will be an issue.

But your all Free men.

PocketKings
20 October 2008, 14:07
Absolutely fascinating subculture out there and it is amazing to hear about the turf issues, protocols, etc. It sounds juvenile, but is indeed very real.

x2. I watch Sons of Anarchy and got lost in the lingo. I had no idea it went this specific.

Ace
20 October 2008, 14:16
Helmet,

Yes it sounds juvenile but too real when you get a gun in your face over "a piece of cloth". The problem is this: too many have been to jail and really don't mind going back for there club.

Ref: "Sons of Anarchy" I watched all of 20 minutes and turned it off.

CV
20 October 2008, 14:39
Yeah, there is a lot of shit I never knew. This thread has been very informative.

BKK
20 October 2008, 15:07
Read "Under and Alone", by ATF agent Billy Queen. He became a full patch member of the Mongols. It was an interesting book. He definately had some huge balls, but then again he was a NAM SF guy who earned a Silver Star.

For an overview of his story.

http://www.menstuff.org/columns/overboard/queen.html

sfmedicw9
20 October 2008, 15:41
my understanding has always been that the three piece isnt always a 1% or outlaw club - it just signifies a true MC as opposed to i guess what one would call a riding club (pay dues and ride type) and that the 1 piece color is pretty much a social thing. Marines MC i THINK has a 3 piece but their bottom is semper fi ?

and then there is the nuance of the square patches and my all time personal favorite - the AMA "required wear" sillyness (usually upside down)

my yoda on this project a former big red machine guy and one of the old third reich guys has convinced me and three of the others on this thing (via a lot of yahoo IMs) that what is being reflected in this forum and one other forum is indicative of the BS we are going to have even though we have done all the requisit things with the local "gentry" in the fayetteville area

soooooo even though patch enforcement guys get on my nerves we are going to do the diplomatic thing and start off as a two patch organization (its even a worse headache for the coronado guys anyhow)

after i make a zillion telephone calls (im overseas now) Ill see if this will wash with the others and repost

Ace
20 October 2008, 16:33
my understanding has always been that the three piece isnt always a 1% or outlaw club - it just signifies a true MC as opposed to i guess what one would call a riding club (pay dues and ride type).....


You are correct, not all 3 patch clubs are 1%r's nor is it exclusively "their" domain to have them. Where the problem comes in is the fact that an MC operates in a specific area, hence the bottom rocker stating what that area is. This is generally done (by the 1%r's) to control/influence illegal activity. When a new MC comes into the area, it is considered a threat to the dominant MC's livelyhood.
To preclude this misunderstanding (that your MC is looking to take over) a sit down is generally the way things get sorted out, basically your club stating there purpose, and the dominant club getting a warm and fuzzy. This is generally misunderstood by the masses as asking permission to wear your own club colors, and in a sense it is, but it's not the real purpose.

Now, to preclude all the above bullshit, and possible misunderstandings that WILL occur prior to, and possible after this sit down, it's better to fly colors with only 2 patches, that in itself lets everyone know who, and more importantly what, kind of club you are.

Did any of this make sense? I know I kind of rambled on, lol.

MakoZeroSix
20 October 2008, 16:43
I mentioned this thread to a guy here at work who is a retired SF guy with the Wingmen, and he basically said this:

They are a 3 patch organization, but not 1%. They had to go through decades of shit in order to not be hassled by the 1% crowd, and the relationship is still tenuous. He discourages the formation of an additional group, because of the friction it would cause in Fayetteville, and encourages all to join them instead. He also states that the former Third Reich club guys are all now Hell's Angels here, if that is relevant at all. There are approx. 5 members of that club in this town.

So- I'm not taking a position on the issue, but figured I'd relay the message in order to be helpful.

I agree with Dark Helmet- I find this topic to be fascinating for some reason. But I think I'll just stick to kiteboarding- nobody is going to take a baseball bat to my head in traffic over that! :confused:

TPD1280
20 October 2008, 20:28
He also states that the former Third Reich club guys are all now Hell's Angels here, if that is relevant at all. There are approx. 5 members of that club in this town.

Quite relevant to the culture.

I rode for a little while with a clean and sober club in SoCal. Some of the members were former 1% types who had been given a sabbatical from their mother clubs to "go play with their little clean and sober friends, but when we call you better come".

The Vagos actually have a chapter that is supposedly clean and sober.

The Vagos pulled our colors, then tried to patch us over. (Absorbing the littler club).

We were no threat to them, not encroaching on their business, they just were trying to assert their dominance in the greater San Berdoo area. They patched over everyone they could find as they were trying to push out the Red and White (this was back in the early '90's). We disbanded as a "club".

Both the Vagos and the Bandidos are known for patching over smaller clubs. You'll see clubs sporting colors that look similar to the Bandidos, called the Hombres. They are clubs that have been patched over but not yet completely assimilated.



sfmedic - Your Ft. Lewis chapter may want to have a sit down with the Gypsy Jokers as Tacoma is theirs. Eastern Washington belongs to the Bandidos, but they are moving slowly in to western Washington.

Ole crusty bastard
20 October 2008, 21:19
One last thought, you already belong to the baddest club in the world and you all have already played the prospect game. Why not take the lead and go with a completely different logo.

Whatever you guys decide, keep us posted as there might come a time when some Ole crusty bastard might be going through your AO, good luck.

Flying Pig
20 October 2008, 21:56
Quite relevant to the culture.

I rode for a little while with a clean and sober club in SoCal. Some of the members were former 1% types who had been given a sabbatical from their mother clubs to "go play with their little clean and sober friends, but when we call you better come".

The Vagos actually have a chapter that is supposedly clean and sober.

The Vagos pulled our colors, then tried to patch us over. (Absorbing the littler club).

We were no threat to them, not encroaching on their business, they just were trying to assert their dominance in the greater San Berdoo area. They patched over everyone they could find as they were trying to push out the Red and White (this was back in the early '90's). We disbanded as a "club".

Both the Vagos and the Bandidos are known for patching over smaller clubs. You'll see clubs sporting colors that look similar to the Bandidos, called the Hombres. They are clubs that have been patched over but not yet completely assimilated.



sfmedic - Your Ft. Lewis chapter may want to have a sit down with the Gypsy Jokers as Tacoma is theirs. Eastern Washington belongs to the Bandidos, but they are moving slowly in to western Washington.

Ive dealt with everyone of those gangs. (Notice I call them GANGS) Clean and Sober Vagos????? Your kidding right?

TPD1280
20 October 2008, 22:27
Nah, serious as a heart attack. They have a C&S chapter. The guy who took over after Terry The Tramp started it. They even have a front patch.

But like you, I have a hard time believeing they are, "working a program of complete honesty" as required by AA/NA.

Spinner
20 October 2008, 23:42
Yeah, uh...don't you think the Wingmen might have something to say about you operating in Fayetteville?

As far as the 1% guys are concerned, though, I never did understand how SOF type bikers get all concerned about threats from scumbags. You'd think it'd be the other way around...

I played pool with a couple of guys from the Monterey chapter of HA one evening in a little hole in the wall on Lighthouse, a defacto hangout for them on certain nights.

Had no problems, played some of the best pool of my life in fact and beat my first two oppenents (the leaders) before tanking my third game.

The place was nearly empty when they walked in, about 12 of them, and not one of those guys stood less than 6'3" and weighed less than 240. In fact, I think the smallest of them was that size, the rest were outsize and practically had to turn sideways to walk through the door.

Can't speak to their scumbagitude, but that was a pretty rough, tough bunch. I don't care who you are, you definitely would not want to tangle with these guys, even if the odds in numbers were in your favor.

I think being dressed like Pat Boone that night with half wire rim glasses helped me out, btw. Seriously, they didn't take me as a threat, I played my games, and hit the road. But I know their rep, and they're like NATO, an attack or affront on one is an attack on all. Best to be cautious in their presence.

sfmedicw9
21 October 2008, 03:44
You are correct, not all 3 patch clubs are 1%r's nor is it exclusively "their" domain to have them. Where the problem comes in is the fact that an MC operates in a specific area, hence the bottom rocker stating what that area is. This is generally done (by the 1%r's) to control/influence illegal activity. When a new MC comes into the area, it is considered a threat to the dominant MC's livelyhood.
To preclude this misunderstanding (that your MC is looking to take over) a sit down is generally the way things get sorted out, basically your club stating there purpose, and the dominant club getting a warm and fuzzy. This is generally misunderstood by the masses as asking permission to wear your own club colors, and in a sense it is, but it's not the real purpose.

Now, to preclude all the above bullshit, and possible misunderstandings that WILL occur prior to, and possible after this sit down, it's better to fly colors with only 2 patches, that in itself lets everyone know who, and more importantly what, kind of club you are.

Did any of this make sense? I know I kind of rambled on, lol.


yea absolutely perfect sense.... Yea the bottom rocker problem was what i clumsily was trying to state before. mako Zero 6 hit the nail on the head with the wingmens normal position but we have already been through it with them and they are pretty common sense about it. I totally understand their worries about drawing off several of their SF guys and we wouldn't do that.

Ahhh the third Reich guys - have really mellowed out in their old age and joined the HA :-). They used to be a very spooky bunch. I remember their place in Bonnie Doone off of Bragg blvd. burning down without much help from the fayetteville FD. But tell you what - as a whole i would trust them more than most to buy a used car from.


Flying Pig... the lewis guys are a hot ticket with the local clubs. The normal situation is this (happened to us in 1984 with some fine upstanding members of the outsiders mc) SF guys riding - followed >> stop at a bar>> followed in >>> polite banter >>> told if we dont join them then dont join anyone else>> then we leave

Bravo Five Romeo
21 October 2008, 04:06
As far as the 1% guys are concerned, though, I never did understand how SOF type bikers get all concerned about threats from scumbags. You'd think it'd be the other way around...

Location is the key.
It's not in the middle of the night in the woods with small arms.
That's advantage SOF. :D
On the street or in a bar, an off base unarmed SOF guy and a real deal one percenter (not a poser) with a few years of prison fights under his belt... it's a different story.
As has been said here, many of the real deals do not give a shit about going back to prison, especialy for their club.
They don't care about the law or getting caught breaking your bikes, torching your clubhouse, or cutting you.

I spent many years working at a rock bar that was also an HA hangout. Their NYC headquarters was just two blocks away. The real deals do not give a fuck and the prospects will fight to the death to earn their colors if told to.

MakoZeroSix
21 October 2008, 10:01
unarmed SOF guy

There is such a thing???

Greenhat
21 October 2008, 10:42
There is such a thing???


Not in my experience. Most dangerous weapon a human has is the ability to think and act under stress. Only way to disarm them is to kill them.

Matchanu
21 October 2008, 11:27
Not in my experience. Most dangerous weapon a human has is the ability to think and act under stress. Only way to disarm them is to kill them.

Untill you get cold cocked with a beer bottle and wake up surrounded by a group of chuckling bikers with your pants around your ankles and your face feels like someone covered it with wall paper paste.

Greenhat
21 October 2008, 12:24
Untill you get cold cocked with a beer bottle and wake up surrounded by a group of chuckling bikers with your pants around your ankles and your face feels like someone covered it with wall paper paste.


That's a failure of Situational Awareness...

Let me guess... a lot of Mekong... :D

Matchanu
21 October 2008, 12:27
That's a failure of Situational Awareness...

Let me guess... a lot of Mekong... :D

Nope, just a reality check.

Flying Pig
21 October 2008, 12:49
Not in my experience. Most dangerous weapon a human has is the ability to think and act under stress. Only way to disarm them is to kill them.

I know its fun to joke about, people saying "I think SF guys can handle their own" "arent SF guys always armed?" "We can handle ourselves" etc.

We arent talking about the battlefield. We are talking about gang members confronting you, and you not loosing your job and being dishonorably discharged from your career. When the cops show up, you are going to have a hard case to sell when you standing in the parking lot of the biker bar. One of the criteria in the initial post was "no criminal" activity, but then we have posts talking about "we can handle it." These are people who have, and will shoot you right off of your motorcycle. There have already been posts about meeting with the local clubs and telling them what your about. So people are meeting with gangmembers to "explain" who you are?

Again, I dont get the outlaw motorcycle gangmember look anyway. I always chuckle when I see some 40-something guy ride past me with his vest and his little German helmet trying to look all bad ass. Oh, by the way....nothing funnier than searching some biker scum who you initially think looks intimidating, then finding out the guy weighs about 130 lbs and is wearing 5 sweatshirts to buff himself out in the middle of August!

Again.....GANGMEMBERS. They aren't CLUBS, they are GANGS and ORGANIZED CRIME and they have a uniform. A uniform you want to adopt for your organization. And for some reason, normal, respected people seem to be attracted to their image. Frankly, I think a guy with a high and tight, dressed in a suit with a set of sunglasses and an earpiece in his ear can be 100% more badass looking than a guy who hasn't showered in 2 weeks.

Its no different than me starting a club of officers who walk around in white t-shirts and Dock Martins and meeting with the local skinhead chapter just to explain we are a bunch of cops and they dont need to worry.

Ace
21 October 2008, 13:50
FP,

Agree, they are all you say. Like I've pointed out before, it is what it is.

Greenhat
21 October 2008, 20:11
FP,

No argument. Imo, no SOF Soldier should end up in that situation if they use common sense and situational awareness, and like some others, I don't understand the idea of an SOF or SF mc with colors of any sort. As someone else noted, it is kind of the opposite of the idea of "quiet professionals" and "the gray man", isn't it?

KidA
21 October 2008, 20:19
FP,

No argument. Imo, no SOF Soldier should end up in that situation if they use common sense and situational awareness, and like some others, I don't understand the idea of an SOF or SF mc with colors of any sort. As someone else noted, it is kind of the opposite of the idea of "quiet professionals" and "the gray man", isn't it?

I agree with what FP has said and this. For our scooter club we just had some pins made up so when we go to other cities we're differentiated but we don't have gay vests (seriously, vests are gayer than pink mopeds with my little pony motifs) with patches or none of that. Just think of the flag lapel.

And as far as situational awareness, when someone rides up behind you and shoots you in the back ...

CarbineM1
21 October 2008, 20:40
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081021/ap_on_re_us/biker_gang_busts




I know its fun to joke about, people saying "I think SF guys can handle their own" "arent SF guys always armed?" "We can handle ourselves" etc.

We arent talking about the battlefield. We are talking about gang members confronting you, and you not loosing your job and being dishonorably discharged from your career. When the cops show up, you are going to have a hard case to sell when you standing in the parking lot of the biker bar. One of the criteria in the initial post was "no criminal" activity, but then we have posts talking about "we can handle it." These are people who have, and will shoot you right off of your motorcycle. There have already been posts about meeting with the local clubs and telling them what your about. So people are meeting with gangmembers to "explain" who you are?

Again, I dont get the outlaw motorcycle gangmember look anyway. I always chuckle when I see some 40-something guy ride past me with his vest and his little German helmet trying to look all bad ass. Oh, by the way....nothing funnier than searching some biker scum who you initially think looks intimidating, then finding out the guy weighs about 130 lbs and is wearing 5 sweatshirts to buff himself out in the middle of August!

Again.....GANGMEMBERS. They aren't CLUBS, they are GANGS and ORGANIZED CRIME and they have a uniform. A uniform you want to adopt for your organization. And for some reason, normal, respected people seem to be attracted to their image. Frankly, I think a guy with a high and tight, dressed in a suit with a set of sunglasses and an earpiece in his ear can be 100% more badass looking than a guy who hasn't showered in 2 weeks.

Its no different than me starting a club of officers who walk around in white t-shirts and Dock Martins and meeting with the local skinhead chapter just to explain we are a bunch of cops and they dont need to worry.

mdb23
21 October 2008, 22:26
Not in my experience. Most dangerous weapon a human has is the ability to think and act under stress. Only way to disarm them is to kill them.

I have no doubt that highly trained SOF troops have much better situational awareness and self preservation skills than the average, or even not so average joe....I work with a few SOF types, and there is no doubt that you guys know your shit....

But I'd guess that, regardless of skill set, you would be in a bad way when jumped 15 to 1, or blindsided, etc...

These dudes just don't give a shit, and can have the disposition of rabid dogs. I can't see how any patch is worth putting yourself in that situation.

To me, the best application of situational awareness would be to drop the patch idea.

I have ridden for a few years now, but never got into the MC concept. I just ride with my buddies on our "crappy" metric bikes.... no patches, no jackets, just out enjoying the road.

When have have come across dudes sporting colors, they either ignore us completely (don't even look at us), or on occassion they actually wave. Either one is fine by me.

Billy L-bach
22 October 2008, 01:17
If ya gotta club ya gotta have a road name (http://www.ratbike.org/motorcycho/outlawname.php)...

Ace
22 October 2008, 01:45
If ya gotta club ya gotta have a road name (http://www.ratbike.org/motorcycho/outlawname.php)...

Cowboy Ace of the White Werewolfes MC

Their spelling, not mine LOL
=====================

I put a variation of my real name in and got this:

Headbanger of the Donkey Punchers MC

Ace
22 October 2008, 01:58
Back to the subject at hand, here is a good write from the Viet Nam Vets MC about the whole 3 patch thing.
Kind of long but basically it states what most here have already said.

http://vnvmcgaa.muddywolf.net/patch.html

Flying Pig
22 October 2008, 11:52
It was good info. However, I also believe their by-laws state that if you are an active Law Enforcement Officer, you cannot be a member.

RGR.Montcalm
22 October 2008, 12:44
^^^^^

Ol' Ratso of the Spiders Skulls MC

ROFLLMMFAO!!!

OldSwabbie
22 October 2008, 13:18
Ol' Titty Squeezer Riding with the Hungry Horses MC

Oh yea, thats scary as hell ..... I have to stop laughing :D

Hopeless Civilian
22 October 2008, 13:30
Ol' Headbanger of the Hungry Horses MC.

Looks like me and Swabbie will be ridin together scaring the kiddies out of their candy this Halloween......Hahaha!

ASTAC918
22 October 2008, 13:45
Ironhorse of the Donkey Punchers MC...Take that bitch!

CAP MARINE
22 October 2008, 14:35
off subject-about 30 Mongols were just arrested for dope,guns-you know what they are!probably got infiltrated again? what a bunch of losers.ATFE just doing their job.

EightyDeuce
22 October 2008, 14:55
I don't know much gangs or identifying MC gangs but I have been riding for about 4 years now and this year was the first time I had any interaction with a Harley crew. I was at a stop light in the city here waiting for the light to change on my Yamaha R6. I check my rear view mirrors and two Harleys pulled up on me, one on each side. I flip my visor up thinking he was going to say something to me and when I looked at the rider on my left he gives me a nice "what the fuck are you looking at?" and then the both of them proceeded to rev the shit out of their bikes. Light changed and I was gone. No idea if they were from a real deal gang or if they were lawyers in their real life. I was riding solo and didn't feel like finding out.

The thread has been pretty informative about the patches and what not.

GPC
22 October 2008, 15:00
Many years ago I wanted to join a club.The President took me aside and basicly told me not to prospect.He was a founding member and 25 yr member."You don't want this life kid.Trust me it's more of a buisness than a club.I won't let my own son be part of this."Needless to say I took his advice glad I did.Good luck with your club.

ASTAC918
22 October 2008, 15:03
Fatetteville, Arkansas just had their big biker rally, "Bikes, Blues, and BBQ" a few weeks ago. It was mostly the lawyer and doctor crowd but when the "real MC guys" rolled by you could see the wannabes look away and/or brake to let them by...pretty interesting dynamics going on down there to say the least. I've been following this thread and saw alot of the behaviors mentioned here while down at BBBBQ. Thanks for the interesting dialogue.

Matchanu
22 October 2008, 15:26
I flip my visor up thinking he was going to say something to me and when I looked at the rider on my left he gives me a nice "what the fuck are you looking at?" and then the both of them proceeded to rev the shit out of their bikes.
.

Which is why I roll my eyes at just about every Harley "biker" I see. When it comes to the biker "wave" Harley riders usually either don't, or do the "slow head turn to the right" when getting within "waving range".

Not that I really give a fuck, nor do they concern me in the slightest. Ain't my world, couldn't afford the "biker uniform" anyway.

What is funny, is seeing all of the Harley's on trailers on the way to some big rally somewere.

GPC
22 October 2008, 15:47
What is funny, is seeing all of the Harley's on trailers on the way to some big rally somewere.

Hahaha!I used to have a shirt that said I rode my bike to trailer week.:D

Husker19D30
22 October 2008, 15:53
Not that I really give a fuck, nor do they concern me in the slightest. Ain't my world, couldn't afford the "biker uniform" anyway.


+1

I do wonder sometimes why a guy on a Harley is next to me at the light and wants to rev his engine. He's not fast, if he wanted fast he shouldn't have bought a Harley. Two completely different types of motorcycling.

rotorik
22 October 2008, 16:49
Appearance is important; it would be chaos if everyone wore "Police" uniforms.
Identification of who you are is imperative. You would surly be put in jail if you
were not a police officer but were wearing the uniform and acting like a cop. So, on the other end of the spectrum, you don't want to be mistaken for something you're not for safety sake in all walks of life.

I'm a member of a combat vets biker ASSOCIATION here in Florida. We go to great pains to emphasize that we are not a motorcycle club (MC). We don't want that type of label and we don't want the MC's to think we are competing.

Just my .02.

Ace
22 October 2008, 17:28
RotorRik??

My long lost brother!! How you been Bro? nice to see you haven't forgotten about our small little world here. Been meaning to call, but you know how that goes, lol.

Glad to see you stopped by.

OldSwabbie
22 October 2008, 17:32
WOW. I never knew the patches thing was so deep. I did some searches online and was amazed. I'll have to talk to my brother in law to learn more. He rode with one of the "Bad" NYC gangs back in the 60's ~ of course that lifestyle landed him in Attica. He was there during the bad riots in the early 70's, almost got shot in the yard.

He's been out of the bad side for a long time now, gave his life over to the Lord but still rides his Harley. He's been a member of the Christian Motorcycles Club for years.

rotorik
22 October 2008, 17:40
...He's been out of the bad side for a long time now, gave his life over to the Lord but still rides his Harley.....

That's too funny! Does the Lord not like Harleys? LOL I'm a Yama-Davidson owner myself!:D

OldSwabbie
22 October 2008, 18:00
That's too funny! Does the Lord not like Harleys? LOL I'm a Yama-Davidson owner myself!:D

Ha ha, I just re-read that. I see what you said, maybe he prefers "Indian"? :D

CAP MARINE
22 October 2008, 18:31
then become a riding club,not a MC club.
my wife's cousin was married to a HA back many years ago.she got out of that lifestyle,remarried etc.i was in the st louis airport back in the 90's going to CA.saw two HA's get off of a flight,neatly dressed with their colors.

Spinner
22 October 2008, 21:16
Back to the subject at hand, here is a good write from the Viet Nam Vets MC about the whole 3 patch thing.
Kind of long but basically it states what most here have already said.

http://vnvmcgaa.muddywolf.net/patch.html

That's about the best explanation I've seen about the difference between the various kinds of MCs.

Colonel Flagg
23 October 2008, 06:59
X2.

X3

I ride with a number of clubs....some well known....some not so much...including one service affiliated club.

Due to my job I'm up to my eyeballs in club drama...please consider learning from their mistakes and keep things simple....the bigger the club, the more complex the organization and hierarchy, the bigger the melodrama.

Seriously....it's like frickin' Desperate Housewives with motorbikes sometimes.

I spent a couple hours yesterday trying to sort out an issue in a Chapter Handbook that's the size of an old Sears Xmas Catalog.

The most successful(and fun) club I know of isn't much of a club.....it's just a bunch of like minded people that let each other know via text and email about both planned and impromptu rides..........leaving them time to actually ride...instead of meeting about club melodrama.

Keep things simple.....but if you want copies of club charters for a point of reference or just to have a good laugh at...let me know.

I know I don't post much here but it's just my 0.02c

Colonel Flagg
23 October 2008, 07:06
Which is why I roll my eyes at just about every Harley "biker" I see. When it comes to the biker "wave" Harley riders usually either don't, or do the "slow head turn to the right" when getting within "waving range".

Not that I really give a fuck, nor do they concern me in the slightest. Ain't my world, couldn't afford the "biker uniform" anyway.

What is funny, is seeing all of the Harley's on trailers on the way to some big rally somewere.

You need to have a go on one of these......first one in the country.......goes real good for an HD.

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10thvet
23 October 2008, 07:41
My patch story...

In Italy I partied with several large clubs to include HA of Europe, Fury and BTBW(Born To Be Wild Club). Greenwinter, Laga De la foime among others, great memories, Great parties and ofcourse me being a newbie to the scene, I bought "party patches" saying that I was there(they were smaller than a normal unit patch). When I went to Biketoberfest in 01, I was told that I couldnt wear my vest in bars because the patches were "affiliated" to clubs***. I was then warned that if I was to be seen wearing my vest pathces by an opposing club, chances are I would be stomped. I wore my vest inside out the rest of the weekend...just to be safe

I was always under the impression it does not matter what you ride as long as you ride(not counting vespas:)


***They also wouldnt allow "HOG" patches in the bars either.

Colonel Flagg
23 October 2008, 07:52
***They also wouldnt allow "HOG" patches in the bars either.

I believe the reason for HOG patches being banned is that for many HOG members they wear vests with big back patches and rockers that occasionally and publically results in weekend bikers getting bashed.

So at events even HOG patches are banned:

1.) to be consistent, fair to one and all clubs, whether 1% 'tards or not

2.) for their own safety.

That's been my experience in what I've seen.

Spinner
23 October 2008, 18:49
No telling how the whole OMG structure would have evolved, but I found this to be a good example of the old "law of unintended consequences".

From the Conventional Wisdom Regarding Motorcyle Club Patches portion of the Vietnam Vets MC:

The AMA published an article shortly after the episode denouncing the offensive bikers stating, “99% of all of their members are law-abiding citizens and only 1% are outlaws”. Thus began what are today referred to as outlaw motorcycle clubs and "one percenters." These clubs were not sanctioned by the AMA and were banned from attending AMA events. Which was, apparently, cool with the bikers. The titles of "outlaw" and "one percenter" were embraced and worn as a badge of honor.

Would the whole 3 patch concept for OMGs have come about without that article from the AMA? I have a feeling that if they had published a tract that simply criticized the behavior of certain members, without getting into the specifics of %s and outlaw behavior, things might have gone in a different direction, at least in terms of the symbols that OMGs are known for on their vests and jackets.

In order to designate themselves as an outlaw club, they defiantly cut their AMA club jackets or shirts into three separate pieces, as described previously, and sewed them on the back of leather jackets or vests fashioned by cutting the sleeves off a denim work jacket. Thus the origin of the "cut", the term used today when referring to a biker's vest regardless of whether it is denim or leather.

spectr17
24 October 2008, 02:55
So I'm waiting on a stoplight in Neidermohr Germany one day and I hear this buzzing sound, like a swarm of bees coming. I check the mirror on the Chevy Blazer and here comes about 30 Zundapp and Puch mopeds. The local motocycle gang I guess all decked out in black leather and chain wallets, the whole getup. They pull up and throw the menacing stares and rev their scooters. I about died laughing.

Right turn Clyde.

Flying Pig
24 October 2008, 11:40
Anybody remember the "gang" in Oki that would race around on dirt bikes dressed like punk rockers? Some sort of "independence from Japan" group. HARDCORE!:rolleyes:

Matchanu
24 October 2008, 11:44
Anybody remember the "gang" in Oki that would race around on dirt bikes dressed like punk rockers? Some sort of "independence from Japan" group. HARDCORE!:rolleyes:

No need for the rolly eyes, many other bikers laugh equally hard at the Harely riders wearing their "proper" rider costumes.


At least they are doing something different.


The whole "patch" thing with all of it's rules, written or otherwise, is fucking gay. Completely against the "freedom" of the riding spirit that I started riding about in the first place.


You guys can keep that shit.

godfather
24 October 2008, 12:44
Why do I have to wave at everyone who rides by me? I rarely wave at anyone (I have not conditioned myself to look for other bikes in oncoming traffic). I don't ride to see or be seen, it’s a mode of transpiration that I happen to enjoy the most. I don't give one fuck if anyone thinks I look like a doctor or lawyer on a weekend ride (no one who knows old HD iron would make that mistake, you don't ride a shovel because it’s the “in” thing to do). Worse, when some chic on the back of a bike waves, what the hell is that all about?

Matchanu
24 October 2008, 13:16
Why do I have to wave at everyone who rides by me? I rarely wave at anyone (I have not conditioned myself to look for other bikes in oncoming traffic). I don't ride to see or be seen, it’s a mode of transpiration that I happen to enjoy the most. I don't give one fuck if anyone thinks I look like a doctor or lawyer on a weekend ride (no one who knows old HD iron would make that mistake, you don't ride a shovel because it’s the “in” thing to do). Worse, when some chic on the back of a bike waves, what the hell is that all about?



Good question.

The waving things was around long before I ever got on a motorcycle.


I should be clear here, I'm not anti-Harley. I like to poke fun at them because of the uppity attitude from a lot of Harely riders, poking a stick at a nest of snakes to hear them rattle so to speak. I dig the older Harelys, like the one's on this site, http://www.jockeyjournal.com/forum/index.php

It's the whole psudo tough guy attitude from some of the Harely riders, acting tough because it says so in the handbook.:rolleyes:, Some bikers are some hardcore badasses, but then that is their entire lifestyle.

It's the "I have to wear every ribbon, medal, patch, pin, on my biker vest so I fit in" thing. It's like the "flair" you see on the waiteresses at TGIF or something.

It's the "I have to have open baffles and throttle up anywere and everywere, even at 02:00 in a residential neighborhood". It's worse than the "Boom boom" ghetto cars. Jesus fuck, buy a fucking muffler already.


Ironically, a lot of guys who used to be all Harely are now riding metric bikes.




Personnaly, if I wanted to drive a tractor, I would be out plowing a field.;)

Ole crusty bastard
24 October 2008, 13:43
I'm with Match on this whole patch/riding thing. My bike doesn't fit in preconceived categories and I ride for myself.

mdb23
24 October 2008, 14:58
My Sgt just bought a HD Road King Classic.... of course, he had to have it chromed out, bought a full set of leathers, has the little Nazsi helmet, etc.... the bike cost more than most cars. He also likes to give the metric bike guys shit, as we don't have "real" motorcycles.

The first week he has it, the "check engine" light comes on and stays on. He has it towed to the dealership to get fixed.

That same week, he goes out after work and it wont start....at all. Being the dick that I am, I said, "Wow, in the shop twice in the first week.....well, at least you know it's an authentic Harley."

Im sure that will be reflected in my review.....

desertdoc
24 October 2008, 15:13
Ive been riding for years, harleys, now I live in MCO and just ride to enjoy and hit the bike nights etc.

I loved the expression, "used to be about the bikes" fucking fashion show. I think HOG is the worst example of clickish and rules driven.

Only a couple of things I am willing to throw down for, and the attitude I get from other "bikers" aint on of them, its sometimes laughable.

BKK
25 October 2008, 10:58
"That same week, he goes out after work and it wont start....at all. Being the dick that I am, I said, "Wow, in the shop twice in the first week.....well, at least you know it's an authentic Harley."


LOL! That was a good one.

Too many people buying a Harley are just in it for creating an alter ego. In the same mindset as getting a Tattoo automatically makes you a bad ass.

I'll take a BMW, KTM, or Ducati any day. Real performance.

Aequitas
25 October 2008, 11:38
"That same week, he goes out after work and it wont start....at all. Being the dick that I am, I said, "Wow, in the shop twice in the first week.....well, at least you know it's an authentic Harley."


LOL! That was a good one.

Too many people buying a Harley are just in it for creating an alter ego. In the same mindset as getting a Tattoo automatically makes you a bad ass.

I'll take a BMW, KTM, or Ducati any day. Real performance.

Wait, isn't buying a bmw or a ducati creating an alter ego? Granted they have great performance, but so do many HDs. I'm pretty sure it's not just a harley thing. People will do, say, or buy anything to look "cool" or tough or whatever the hell they're going for. To just describe the Harley persona as such is not completely true across the board. And yes I do ride a 2003 HD Softail Springer. Best wishes with the MC, but be careful and keep the SA up to par.

I will agree though that the HD brand is the most abused across the board in the context you describe above. If only the Victory riders would start picking up some of the slack :D

I can't wait to get out of this shit hole and get home to riding again with my team and friends. Have a good weekend to all you riders out there. Later brothers.

KidA
25 October 2008, 13:47
Wait, isn't buying a bmw or a ducati creating an alter ego?

To some extent, yes, especially those damned BMW riders with their BMW rider approved gortex riding suits :D

I ride a Ducati but I don't buy into the "brand." I have one Ducati sweatshirt and it's one I got from a friend years before I had a Ducati because I got gear oil on the one I was wearing and borrowed it because I was f'ing cold.

I do, however, see many people with all the Ducati gear from sweatshirts and hats to beltbuckles and even the damned boots.

The modern Vespa people are the absolute worst. No matter how branded you think HD riders are, they have nothing on the tools who go and buy into the Vespa brand (we're talking the modern twist and go faggotry). For an exercise in absolute stupidity visit www.modernvespa.com and read some of the ridiculous threads there in the General section from "does your helmet match your scooter" to the morons who insist on wearing chaps while riding one. Hey, dumbass, you don't need chaps, you have a legshield to block wind.

However HD owners seem to be the ones with the worst attitude to other people - not only do they buy all the approved leatherwear, but it's almost as though they're issued a pamphlet with their purchase on how they are the only TRUE riders out there (even if it is only for an hour on Sunday).

I ride everywhere. I built a 225cc monster (29-30 HP on a 150lb scooter is, in fact, a monster) and turned what was a 12 HP 45mph scooter from a factory 40 years ago into a 90 mph tuned machine - then rode it from Portland, Oregon to New York. Just built another one and was tuning it in and a friend on an old Honda CB750 was following me in case I blew it up before I dialed it in - he pulled up to me, when he caught me, and said "Dude, you were at 75mph on North Capitol!" I said "Really? I hadn't even shifted into fourth yet!"

I ride my '73 RD350 that I scavenged and built myself all over the place - "new" Harley owners and sportbike owners even don't even blink, even if I'm blowing past them and filling their breathing holes with 2-stroke smoke. Hell I tried to ride in a group of some HD owners on I-95 for the safety/visibility factor and they were absolute dicks and kept waving me off. Fuck you. I built my bike, I didn't put it on a credit card at 18% interest.

Kind of rambling but I guess the bottom line is yes there are dicks in every "scene" who just don't get it. It's about riding, whatever it is. Not about looking like you ride, or caring if your wallet matches your ride when you whip it out to buy gas at the pump.

OTOH I have met some cool dudes on various bikes - from the guys who handbuilt their streetfighters, to dudes who wrestled motors into old hardtails, to guys still putting the cafe treatment to 60's and 70's bikes. It kind of comes down to the fact that if you built it you don't care what someone rides as long as they do. It's those who just buy their bikes who seem to be the ones looking for a scene to be a part of.

And I just fucking love blowing past those 1000lb chrome machines on a little gay scooter...you can bet the lawyers and dentists don't share that story with their friends :D

And, yes, there are guys who go in and buy their first bike and it's a Ducati or BMW or even HD but who really want to ride and learn about bikes. Those guys can be cool.

sfmedicw9
25 October 2008, 14:54
it sure seems like there is an interest in this thread. Just to hit a few points

it isn't about the patch thing - advice here and elsewhere is well received - point taken. three piece patch (3pp) is not happening and just for there are no misunderstandings the MC is out too - Im happy with riding club status personally. some aren't but its a give and take thing

one of the best points brought up on a yahoo conversation for the MC thing was to seperate out of the RUB (rich urban Biker) crap that dominates the bike scene lately. I see it here in these responses. and you guys know what im talking about

Agreed getting an HD doesnt make one a bad ass nether does going to the Harley Boutique and getting a full set of genuine HD leathers, HD wallet, HD shirt, HD undies for the old lady, HD set of beer glasses, HD sunglasses, HD belt, HD boots with shiny eagles riveted on them

when i went to the Sturgess 50 (no trailer on my 79 FX whatever it is now i think it would be a FXWGDG just the FXS frame is original still) we watched RUBs get their bikes out of their trailers and .... ready for this... throw their nice HD jackets in the parking lot gravel and got dirt on them.

i see guys around fayetteville during the freakin summer with - vest / jacket/chaps and their brand new HD . And when you see them in a bar if the topic of rice burners come up they are the loudest critiques of them despite the fact they never rode them and their bikes have never even had their first rebuild.

its not about the bike , the patch, the leather its about the bros

a club is a great excuse to get the bike outta the garage get the old lady outta the kitchen and get together with bros and eat bugs drink beer (or mineral water if your into that) and have a good time

my current bike (the above mentioned79) I've had longer than anything in my life (bout it new after i wrecked my 72 on the stuttgart / Heilbran Autobahn in 77) to include my parents, wife , son, horse, or dog. Currently it is sitting in Jordan waiting for me to drive into N Iraq where im going to do a erbil to baghdad run one of these days.

KidA
25 October 2008, 15:18
.. throw their nice HD jackets in the parking lot gravel and got dirt on them.

Ha. Friend of mine caught a dude rubbing his knee pucks on gravel to "scuff" them to make it appear that he was dropping knees in turns...

Amarillo
25 October 2008, 15:28
read some of the ridiculous threads there in the General section from "does your helmet match your scooter"
LOL. My 7yo sees grown men on scooters and sportbikes with full-face helmets and leathers to match their paint scheme. He refers to these as PowerRangers.

Ole crusty bastard
25 October 2008, 15:53
it sure seems like there is an interest in this thread. Just to hit a few points

it isn't about the patch thing - advice here and elsewhere is well received - point taken. three piece patch (3pp) is not happening and just for there are no misunderstandings the MC is out too - Im happy with riding club status personally. some aren't but its a give and take thing


Very cool. You and your guys will enjoy the ride no matter how your 'club' gets organized. Someday one of your 'ride pins' just might be a little black shit-hook.

T-Rock
25 October 2008, 15:56
wow gone for a couple days and..it sure seems like there is an interest in this thread.

FWIW, come join this group of Patriots http://www.patriotguard.org/ . Although it’s not a motorcycle club, in my mind, it’s the only cause/group worthy of making an honest effort to be a part of at my age.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMyMBBzsDgA

I humbly consider it an honor to ride with them and their cause……otherwise, I’m a loner and like riding that way :D , with the exception of a few close friends…..

http://forums.delphiforums.com/pgrofnc/start

Just my .02.…..(had to get in a plug for the PGR, sorry for the hijack sfmedicw9)… :D

flhshvlhed
27 October 2008, 03:03
... you don't ride a shovel because it’s the “in” thing to do).

You ride a shovel because you like for your bike to mark it's spot (it's not an oil leak!!) ;), and you know that wrench doesn't start w/ "R".

When I got my shovel I would give my evo buddies ribbing about it, but it's relatively easy to work on an shovel - even on the side of the road in the middle of the night :rolleyes:. But - I would get rid of my 05 FLHTCI before I would ever get rid of my shovel.

As stated - whatever someone is riding - there are snobs in all makes and models. Hell - the Harley baggers make fun of the sportster riders.

BLUF - as long as you're out on the road on 2 wheels - who cares

godfather
27 October 2008, 10:46
It's the "I have to wear every ribbon, medal, patch, pin, on my biker vest so I fit in" thing. It's like the "flair" you see on the waiteresses at TGIF or something.


Hahaha, I'm going to have to steal this one to use on the "HOG" guys I run into. Classic.

Horned Toad
27 October 2008, 10:48
, you don't ride a shovel because it’s the “in” thing to do).

For 19 years riding a shovel was the in thing to do:D

godfather
27 October 2008, 10:49
Sure was............. 30 years ago. :)

Horned Toad
27 October 2008, 10:56
You ride a shovel because you like for your bike to mark it's spot (it's not an oil leak!!) ;), and you know that wrench doesn't start w/ "R".



I don’t ride right now but have spent pretty much my whole life around Harleys and usually a Harley’s worst nightmare is the owner. This isn’t directed at anyone in this thread since I don’t know anyone here personally, but I cant say the number of people I have seen over the years that would have no problem taking their truck or car to the shop somehow think they could work on their bike. :eek:

Johan
27 October 2008, 18:29
Ha. Friend of mine caught a dude rubbing his knee pucks on gravel to "scuff" them to make it appear that he was dropping knees in turns...

This deception is easy to detect. It become apparent as soon as you are in 'fun' series of turn. ;)

Regards,

Husker19D30
27 October 2008, 18:44
This deception is easy to detect. It become apparent as soon as you are in 'fun' series of turn. ;)

Regards,

You don't even have to go that far. Look for the 'chicken strips' on his rear tire.

KidA
27 October 2008, 19:08
You don't even have to go that far. Look for the 'chicken strips' on his rear tire.

And if you're REALLY good you won't have any on the front tire, either :D

sfmedicw9
28 October 2008, 07:11
I don’t ride right now but have spent pretty much my whole life around Harleys and usually a Harley’s worst nightmare is the owner. This isn’t directed at anyone in this thread since I don’t know anyone here personally, but I cant say the number of people I have seen over the years that would have no problem taking their truck or car to the shop somehow think they could work on their bike. :eek:

Just two cans moving up in down in a piece of metal when some gas explodes because a spark plug makes a fire - how hard could a shovelhead be ??

shheeesshhh have you looked at a modern "import" ?? Im a hog looking at a wristwatch when i look at those things ( the HD v-rod is getting close to the same category)

Not for nothing but.. if your HD acts up on the side of a highway chances are pretty good that it can be rigged to get you back into a town - try doing that with an import.

besides my shovel keeps getting simpler and simpler - I always have pieces left over after i work on it :-) and the ones that stay are eventually replaced by coat hangers anyhow

If your wife wont let you have the bike taken apart in the house shes not sensitive to your needs

Horned Toad
28 October 2008, 11:27
Just two cans moving up in down in a piece of metal when some gas explodes because a spark plug makes a fire - how hard could a shovelhead be ??

shheeesshhh have you looked at a modern "import" ?? Im a hog looking at a wristwatch when i look at those things ( the HD v-rod is getting close to the same category)

Not for nothing but.. if your HD acts up on the side of a highway chances are pretty good that it can be rigged to get you back into a town - try doing that with an import.

besides my shovel keeps getting simpler and simpler - I always have pieces left over after i work on it :-) and the ones that stay are eventually replaced by coat hangers anyhow

I rest my case:D





If your wife wont let you have the bike taken apart in the house shes not sensitive to your needs

I have seen the effect that having a motor torn down on the kitchen table has on a marriage, I’ll pass thanks.:D

flhshvlhed
28 October 2008, 21:59
I have seen the effect that having a motor torn down on the kitchen table has on a marriage, I’ll pass thanks.:D

Hell - I rebuilt the heads to my shovel on the kitchen counter. But then again, I am single! :rolleyes:

Then again, I do carry a lot less stuff when riding the TC than the when riding the shovel. For the shovel, I bring a little tool kit w/ some spare parts. For the TC95, I bring a cell phone and a credit card. ;)

rader94
1 November 2008, 22:47
owned and rode bikes my whole life, harleys and my love triumphs, old and new , would ride with the patriot quard anyday, never had use for any clubs, each to his own, I ride along most of the time, love the moments of country roads and silence, hope the club does good,

EightyDeuce
2 November 2008, 20:08
I rode with the Patriot Guard here in Rochester NY once for a guy I went to HS with who was KIA and some religious group was going to protest the war outside the church during his funeral service. Huge turnout.

CV
11 November 2008, 11:24
Anyone have any experience with the Warrior Brotherhood (http://www.warriorbrotherhood.com/index.html) MC?

kms61
30 November 2008, 23:45
I read this thread with a great deal of interest, and learned a lot. What do you guys think of this: HellKats MC, an all female club. MC logo, three piece patch, etc. Their website implies some kind of connection with the Hell's Angels.

http://www.hellkatsmc.com/

Xdeth
1 December 2008, 14:04
Ha. Friend of mine caught a dude rubbing his knee pucks on gravel to "scuff" them to make it appear that he was dropping knees in turns...



Even if he was dragging it's stupid, the street is not a track, some people learn everything the hard way.

CCo275
9 April 2011, 11:19
Hey, whatever happened to this? Did they ever get a club organized or get a group together. I did find out that my "road name" is "Snotface of the Galloping Goats". I am going to get that tattooed on my lower back! :biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Ranger1
9 April 2011, 15:16
An almost 3 year old thread...what, are you bored? No other 2/75 guys to snuggle up with? :biggrin:

Doc P
9 April 2011, 17:52
Interesting thread, I'm glad it got updated. My MC Name is "Moose of the Cracked Craniums MC".

CCo275
10 April 2011, 01:17
An almost 3 year old thread...what, are you bored? No other 2/75 guys to snuggle up with? :biggrin:

I take it you want this thread to go away so we won't find out what your road name is...

Let me guess. You would be Pickle Chugger of the Meat Gazer Club :eek: OR Crotch Sniffer of the Rotten Crotch Club :tongue: OR Vienna Suasage of the Banana Hammock Club :confused: Shall I continue?!?!?!

Matchanu
11 April 2011, 13:00
I named my MC, "The Wizard Sleeves".;)


Thought I wanted an HD again. I woned a 74 Sporty about 10years back, It was a fun little bike. I have a Buell Ulysses now, thought I wanted to trade it for an HD, test rode an HD, changed my mind.

I can't believe they sell those things as anywere near safe. Brakes suck, handling sucks, power ain't there. I'm probably spoiled on the Buell, big bike that handles like a sport bike with 103 HP.

HDs have character though, which is not a small deal by any means. Still, far too overpriced for what you are getting.

Looking for a Triumph Scrambler now, Steve McQueen cool.:biggrin:

Massgrunt
11 April 2011, 13:41
I take it you want this thread to go away so we won't find out what your road name is...

Let me guess. You would be Pickle Chugger of the Meat Gazer Club :eek: OR Crotch Sniffer of the Rotten Crotch Club :tongue: OR Vienna Suasage of the Banana Hammock Club :confused: Shall I continue?!?!?!
It's actually "Sir Cocks-a-lot". :biggrin:

Mach, I'm curious about bikes like that but I'll PM you rather than derail the thread.

69harley
29 August 2012, 12:56
Yea, I know this is an old thread, but figured it could use an update. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

MakoZeroSix
29 August 2012, 13:11
Way to spam multiple threads. Bravo.

SOTB
29 August 2012, 13:13
Way to spam multiple threads. Bravo.LOL....:biggrin:

Walken1
29 August 2012, 13:21
Here is a good read on Military Members and Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs that was published by the ATF.


So that's why my damn tax stamp is taking so long....

That list is hardly comprehensive. If it's about Military members joining MCs I could have saved the ATF however many $millions they spent on gathering this info with a $7 benefit ticket....they would have gotten a brisket plate out of it too.:biggrin:

prb
29 August 2012, 15:23
This thread is amazing....not in a good way. SOF riders really need a 'club' that they advertise on their back?

Highspeed160th
29 August 2012, 19:40
Carefull some Wingman will sue us for the resurrection of an ancient thread...

69 did you have a dog in this fight? I don't get it.

ddog79
29 August 2012, 22:13
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They missed a couple from the Corps, that I know of. One of my fellow 1stSgts in the late '90s was the president of a not-to-be named OMG.

Silverbullet
29 August 2012, 22:21
Yea, I know this is an old thread, but figured it could use an update. ]

You figured wrong.

If I see anymore postings like this you'll be gone without another warning.

69harley
29 August 2012, 22:26
Carefull some Wingman will sue us for the resurrection of an ancient thread...

69 did you have a dog in this fight? I don't get it.

No dog in the fight, just some insider information would provide a clearer picture of what happened.

Hot Mess
10 September 2012, 07:20
Looks like Ranger Battalion was feeling left out:rolleyes:


https://www.facebook.com/KillerMansSonsMcNational

Highspeed160th
10 September 2012, 08:48
The 160th now has one as well in the Campbell area.