CIA's Role in new Office of Homeland Security

[RedAlert]

How do you think CIA will contribute to Tom Ridge's new Agency....I doubt the Company will want to give up any actual power to the Office of Homeland Security.


By the way, the email that I am registered under has changed, please send any e-mail messages to LITTELc@aol.com

[fish78]

CIA's charter prevents them from domestic spying.

[MADMIK]

but the loopholes (there are many) allowed the CIA to have offices in major U.S. cities to target foreign students and businessmen. Plus the UN in NYC.

[FutureRanger2000]

The CIA doesn't necessarily have to violate their charter to support the homeland defense initiative. This could turn into a good thread....

[Daredevil]

I doubt the CIA will get as big a role as the FBI Counter-Intel programs that are already in place in the US.

That way you'll automatically have arrest powers with the investigators.

[RedAlert]

Thanks,

I hope this DOES turn into a good thread, unlike the Thread in the General Forum.

In case I didn't introduce myself, I am not in the Military/Intelligence(yet, read below) or Law Enforcement(I'm still in college). However I am far from being a wannabe. I am currently on a National Security Agency undergraduate scholarship which provides me a job with the NSA after graduation.

[Jeff Rambo]

As long as your ego stays in check this time.

[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by RedAlert:
However I am far from being a wannabe. I am currently on a National Security Agency undergraduate scholarship which provides me a job with the NSA after graduation.

You want to be in the NSA right?

Everyone here at SOCNET is a wannabe in some form or fashion my friend http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/smile.gif

[beachbum16]

i think the charter should be changed to allow the CIA to work domestically. just a thought

[DIRSUP KORLING]

Originally posted by RedAlert:
Thanks,

I hope this DOES turn into a good thread, unlike the Thread in the General Forum.

In case I didn't introduce myself, I am not in the Military/Intelligence(yet, read below) or Law Enforcement(I'm still in college). However I am far from being a wannabe. I am currently on a National Security Agency undergraduate scholarship which provides me a job with the NSA after graduation.

Having worked with the NSA civilian pricks on and off for the last couple of years I'll tell you that I've never seen such a bunch of anal retentive political backstabbers yet. Good luck to you...

Have fun!
mario

[DIRSUP KORLING]

Originally posted by beachbum16:
i think the charter should be changed to allow the CIA to work domestically. just a thought

why?

[MADMIK]

I don't. That is why we have the FBI. Maybe you can work on changing your college's charter to move the whole campus overseas?

Mike

Originally posted by beachbum16:
i think the charter should be changed to allow the CIA to work domestically. just a thought

[beachbum16]

Originally posted by MADMIK:
I don't. That is why we have the FBI. Maybe you can work on changing your college's charter to move the whole campus overseas?

Mike



i just meant that i think that internal intelligence should be stepped up a LOT. either by increasing the capabilities of the FBI's intelligence, or allowing the CIA to operate on domestic soil like they can overseas.

[Doc]

Better operability/intelligence distribution between the different police/intelligence agencies should be the goal.

We have good people. We just need to use them and ensure their efforts are available to the foot soldiers.

Just my thoughts...

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[ex_CavScout]

Originally posted by beachbum16


i just meant that i think that internal intelligence should be stepped up a LOT. either by increasing the capabilities of the FBI's intelligence, or allowing the CIA to operate on domestic soil like they can overseas.



The FBI is more than adequate for the job. I say that because they do not work alone, they have the many other LE agencies to protect the homeland such as U.S. Marshall Service, BP, INS, and the various state and local LE depts. However, the key is to get a good communication channel between each of the above.

I think it would be a BIG mistake to split the CIAs focus between foreign and domestic ops because they wouldn't be able to maximize their efforts abroad. Hopefully, they will identify any threats before they get to the homeland.

[Sapper12B]

Wow Jeff, you were on that dude like stink on....

Beach,

The FBI is doing fine on intel, if you are referring to the current stuation, it was the failure to provide authorization to act on this intel. Now you see people being detained on stuff that pre 9-11 , it wouldn't have happened. The civil rights/security issue made sure of that. Without fail, the best intel (which should be objectively corroborated) is HUMINT from informants. Gotta have eyes inside and on target. Remember, the FBI also relies on the municipal LE agencies for a LOT of their groundwork, which is a force multiplier for their intel network. Stepping it up will only make these efforts appear obvious to those sh*tbags since 9-11.

As for the CIA, they know what they are doing, whether Washington will change their attitude towards them and their capabilities, only time will tell.

[GRENDEL]

It's not just what Washington will let them do, the the thought process at Langley has been changing since the mid 80's.
Too many employees are thinking about being PC and covering their asses,theyre worried less about making a difference.
And don't think that because of 9.11 that is going to change overnight.

[Boat Doc]

Ever asked what CIA folks think of other 3-letter agencies? Ever ask DIA folks what they think of CIA? Before 9/11 I swear they spent more time fighting each other than the enemy.

My guess is that CIA is already working CONUS Ops for the Homland Defense (HD) mission. Not so much for HOMELAND reasons, but to protect their own assets. Hell, I would, regardless of charter. And I wouldn't contract some half-ass shit bag security force to do it either. I'd have my own guys performing the mission since it's their ass they're protecting in the long run.

[okami]

Originally posted by ex_CavScout


The FBI is more than adequate for the job. I say that because they do not work alone, they have the many other LE agencies to protect the homeland such as U.S. Marshall Service, BP, INS, and the various state and local LE depts. However, the key is to get a good communication channel between each of the above.

I think it would be a BIG mistake to split the CIAs focus between foreign and domestic ops because they wouldn't be able to maximize their efforts abroad. Hopefully, they will identify any threats before they get to the homeland.


the problem is to get the FBI to share their intel, ask any other Fed or locAl cop if the bureu has ever shared anything

Okami
just visiting from the LE board

[427Windsorman]

Originally posted by okami



the problem is to get the FBI to share their intel, ask any other Fed or locAl cop if the bureu has ever shared anything

Okami
just visiting from the LE board

A lot of things have changed, and are changing, as a result of 9/11 and the continueing threat to our nation. I am quite sure the FBI is more than willing to share, especially now that there is a network in place, or at least being put into place, for our Homeland Security.

[grrlcop74]

We're not talking about changing how they do business; we're talking about the FBI changing an entire culture and mindset. 9/11 has changed very little when it comes to that, at least in my experience.

Kristen

[427Windsorman]

Originally posted by grrlcop74
We're not talking about changing how they do business; we're talking about the FBI changing an entire culture and mindset. 9/11 has changed very little when it comes to that, at least in my experience.

Kristen

INS had a "do our own thing" mindset as well, see what that got them? The FBI will change its ways as far as cooperating and sharing intel with other agencies, or they will get slapped. It might not happen today, but it will happen. There is no other option since the threat that exists will only be combated by cooperation between all of our LE, Intelligence, and Military assets.