California exodus

[ASTAC918]

My wife and I left CA for the same reasons listed in here (unchecked "undocumented workers" program, sky-high home prices, traffic that sucks worse than anywhere else in the country). Now unemployment is over 8%. The saying in real estate out there is "You're paying for the weather"...well is wasn't worth it then and damn sure ain't worth it now.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jan/12/fleeing-california-011209/?zIndex=35923

[POB]

I was born and raised in CA and left last year. Since moving to the east coast I was able to buy a home not too far from the pier, which I would never have been able to afford if I lived in my home state. Real estate prices out there are astronomical especially by the beach.

[iraqgunz]

Also born and mostly raised in So Cal. Plotted my escape earlier in the year and we finally bailed out in August. I love Arizona and feel like I should have been born there instead.

[Zonk 1/75]

Maybe when I retire in 4 years.......................

Colorado
New Mexico
Texas

[MakoZeroSix]

Damn. I was all set to roll up and buy a house in Oakland.

[OldSwabbie]

So. Cal and Florida are very similar when it comes to Cost of Living, maybe a bit higher in some places. But overall, both those retirement destinations are getting so damn expensive its hard to make a living and even think of retiring.

I was born on the Gulf Coast of Florida (Largo) and grew up south of Sarasota. After the Military I went home and stayed there until 2005, when all the hurricanes hit within a few weeks of each other. I put my resume out and within a month I had interviews in NC & SC. I settled for the job in South Carolina. The prices here compared to So. California or Florida would make your head spin 20 times around. My best buddy lives near Daytona in a 800K home - about the same size as my house here.. but, I have property... When I sent him a couple of pictures of home prices he called me on the phone and said to quit screwing with his head. I told him they were REAL.. He was speechless. A house exactly like his, sitting on 5 acres (improved pasture) would only run him about 175K... or less. I've actually found ranch homes on 5 acres for $125K...

My father and mother still live in Sarasota County, he has a huge house on 5 acres with a lake. The property taxes on his place down there is my MORTGAGE here! His best friend owns a small ranch with 100 acres, cost him 1.2 million... it does have a nice modular home on it so they use it for a hunting lodge. I think the times have changed so that if people truly want to live in places like So. Cal or Florida or the Gulf Coast somewhere ~ its going to cost you dearly. Gone are the days when you could buy a nice 3bed, 2bath home (2100sq ft) in North Port Fl for $135K... that same home we priced is over $375K now. Property is going through the ceiling. Hopefully with the slowing economy and the housing glut the prices may come down where normal people can afford them.

So many of my friends are stuck.. literally stuck in Florida. Not enough money to leave and not enough to stay. They all say they are so envious of me and all I have up here. I think Ill leave the "Sunny Beaches" for someone else.. I take being able to walk out into a beautiful hardwood forest behind my house anyday. :smile:

[mdb23]

Damn. I was all set to roll up and buy a house in Oakland.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA:biggrin:

[okami1]

Damn. I was all set to roll up and buy a house in Oakland.

Holla at a playa. I gotz mad connekts an' crazy dealz yo! Su'un hella phat fo' dat ass. Balee' dat.

Werd.

[CV]

The DC Area has bullshit housing prices and traffic. And, we don't even get the weather :mad:

[ASTAC918]

The DC Area has bullshit housing prices and traffic. And, we don't even get the weather :mad:

Yeah, but it's the prestige of living there....:rolleyes:

[OS3]

Holla at a playa. I gotz mad connekts an' crazy dealz yo! Su'un hella phat fo' dat ass. Balee' dat.

Werd.

I'm really fucking disturbed that I read that and understood it...:(
Too Short!

[KidA]

The DC Area has bullshit housing prices and traffic. And, we don't even get the weather :mad:

No shit. This property is the next block over from me. Keep in mind it is in an alley which means there is no yard at all. And people would be driving next to you all the time. Also remember that it's a completely gutted "carriage house" which means it has no plumbing, interior, or, well, anything. Oh yeah, and there's no guarantee it is legal to even live there if you renovate it.

http://washingtonpost.2.homefinder.com/home-address/DC/Washington/3114_Warder-Rear_St._N.W._20010/id-26553982

P.S. It's 245,000.

Oh, and it's 29 fucking degrees right now.

:mad: is right.

[Viking]

I'll tell you what, don't fuck up your own state and then come running to mine because yours is all fucked up and then push the same bullshit liberal policies in my backyard.

[grog18b]

Whole damn thing is going to fall into the Pacific soon anyway... The only thing holding it up now is the smug...

[Parajuevos]

Damn. I was all set to roll up and buy a house in Oakland.

I wish you would. Having read some of your posts I think that you might just be the type of individual who could scare the shit out of the bad guys enough that they might stay off the streets.:biggrin:

[Zonk 1/75]

I'll tell you what, don't fuck up your own state and then come running to mine because yours is all fucked up and then push the same bullshit liberal policies in my backyard.

Eroute...........

[Viking]

Eroute...........

Stay Away Legshaver!

[ParrotHead]

No shit. This property is the next block over from me. Keep in mind it is in an alley which means there is no yard at all. And people would be driving next to you all the time. Also remember that it's a completely gutted "carriage house" which means it has no plumbing, interior, or, well, anything. Oh yeah, and there's no guarantee it is legal to even live there if you renovate it.

http://washingtonpost.2.homefinder.com/home-address/DC/Washington/3114_Warder-Rear_St._N.W._20010/id-26553982

P.S. It's 245,000.

Oh, and it's 29 fucking degrees right now.

:mad: is right.

So where can I put in a bid???:biggrin:

[Psi Brr]

Man... I'm so happy I live for winter and LOVE cold weather.

[GreenMeany 5]

I HATE this state!:mad:

[spectr17]

Gonna be hard to say goodbye to 85 F in the middle of Jan but CA is no longer the place to live. The illegal invasion is just crushing this state.

[iraqgunz]

Arizona isn't too far from that so you'll be OK. :biggrin:

Gonna be hard to say goodbye to 85 F in the middle of Jan but CA is no longer the place to live. The illegal invasion is just crushing this state.

[Seanmcd82]

I'll tell you what, don't fuck up your own state and then come running to mine because yours is all fucked up and then push the same bullshit liberal policies in my backyard.

X Ten Million!!

Fucking A these Fucktards from Massachusetts come to New Hampshire for low taxes and peace and quiet. Then they build houses on top of each other, want every Goddamn service in the world (Take your trash to the dump like the rest of us) then run for office and raise the Goddamn Taxes!!

GODDAMN! :mad: (Sorry, struck a nerve)

[Viking]

X Ten Million!!

Fucking A these Fucktards from Massachusetts come to New Hampshire for low taxes and peace and quiet. Then they build houses on top of each other, want every Goddamn service in the world (Take your trash to the dump like the rest of us) then run for office and raise the Goddamn Taxes!!

GODDAMN! :mad: (Sorry, struck a nerve)

:biggrin: That shit is infuriating, isn't it? I had to tame down my original post a bit. :rolleyes:

[Seanmcd82]

:biggrin: That shit is infuriating, isn't it? I had to tame down my original post a bit. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I could go on and on...But I'm in my Happy Place now...The valium has kicked in..;)

[Expatmedic]

From Sacramento I can be at the coast in 1.5 hours. 1.25 hours to Lake Tahoe. Napa Wine country .75 hours. Monterey 3.25 hours. Caves to explore, fish to be caught, fantastic diving up and down the coast. Kayaking the Salton Sea.

All of the above ruined by over inflated, unreal and non sustainable cost of most things it takes to live. Housing, about a million social programs for people who are not legally eligible or use it as a way of life. Flood insurance, fire insurance, earthquake insurance. Uninsured/underinsured motorist insurance. Gasoline that is always far higher here than anyplace else. Why, because we are stupid enough to pay the price. Our liberal democratic legislature that bankrupts the state with social program and WILL NOT pass a balanced budget.

Invest in California real estate then sell it and retire someplace else when your ready to retire.

[Balls]

You guys are looking at it all wrong.......Where else can you find and piss off this many hippies? :cool:

[Expatmedic]

You guys are looking at it all wrong.......Where else can you find and piss off this many hippies? :cool:

Yeah, I got nothin.

But during the Burning Man festival they all head to the Nevada desert, so they do leave for a week each year.

[spectr17]

It really sunk in a couple years back how rat forked we are here in the land of fruits and nuts. I ordered a specially made gas can for an ATV. The maker, Kolpin, said they couldn't ship it to CA because it didn't have the CA approved gas cap. WTF? Oh, the spring loaded gizmo so you don't self immolate. :mad:

Fast forward to last year I go down and buy a new gas can for my chainsaw and they only have these gas cans that are going to take some sort of Jedi Mind trick to figure out how to take the god dayum cap off. It's got at least 3 anti spill dohickeys built into it and some other appendage for gods know what. It's in the truck now just asking to get broken off it's such a kluge.

Lawyers, that's reason #2. You can't spill gas with these cans cuz you can't get the freakin caps off. Arsonists must be hating life here.

[MixedLoad]

I HATE this state!:mad:

Negatory. I LOVE this state, I just cannot stand the political dingbats who ruin it for us.

[MixedLoad]

From Sacramento I can be at the coast in 1.5 hours. 1.25 hours to Lake Tahoe. Napa Wine country .75 hours. Monterey 3.25 hours. Caves to explore, fish to be caught, fantastic diving up and down the coast. Kayaking the Salton Sea.

All of the above ruined by over inflated, unreal and non sustainable cost of most things it takes to live. Housing, about a million social programs for people who are not legally eligible or use it as a way of life. Flood insurance, fire insurance, earthquake insurance. Uninsured/underinsured motorist insurance. Gasoline that is always far higher here than anyplace else. Why, because we are stupid enough to pay the price. Our liberal democratic legislature that bankrupts the state with social program and WILL NOT pass a balanced budget.

Invest in California real estate then sell it and retire someplace else when your ready to retire.

Great post!

Right now I am fixing to pull the trigger on a home which was going in the mid 600's two years ago. Current price: $350k. Great neighborhood, excellent schools around and a nice view. The only complaint I have is that if I want a decent sized plot (by CA standards anything over one acre) I am going to have to fork out well over $500k.

I am seriously considering purchasing a second residence in either NC or TX. Land is abound, prices are cheap and good places to retire thirty years from now. Or so I believe.

[Balls]

CA is ok if you take away the stupid liberals, gold digging bitches, ridiculous gun laws, I'm better than you types, most all of hollywood, massive amounts of illegals, high prices for EVERYTHING, fucked up political views.......fuck it. Nevermind. The land itself is nice, thats about it.

[MixedLoad]

I think you can safely conclude that you will find massive amounts of illegal aliens, liberals, gold diggers, better than you types, high prices for everything and fucked up political views across the board in most metropolitan areas of the United States.

The gun laws might be a little less stringent and Hollyweirds may not be your next door neighbor, but it's hardly a regional problem.

[Balls]

Damn.

[MakoZeroSix]

I wish you would. Having read some of your posts I think that you might just be the type of individual who could scare the shit out of the bad guys enough that they might stay off the streets.

LOL. I think I'll stick to living somewhere where there aren't a lot of bad guys.

I think you can safely conclude that you will find massive amounts of illegal aliens, liberals, gold diggers, better than you types, high prices for everything and fucked up political views across the board in most metropolitan areas of the United States.


Not this one.

[ASTAC918]

Gasoline that is always far higher here than anyplace else. Why, because we are stupid enough to pay the price.
Actually the gas in CA is a "boutique blend". It has to be made especially for CA and thus the price difference. The rest of us all use the same thing. Of course it's still the doings of the liberal democratic legislature so write your state senator if you don't like paying more once you cross the state line.

[ASTAC918]

CA is ok if you take away the stupid liberals, gold digging bitches, ridiculous gun laws, I'm better than you types, most all of hollywood, massive amounts of illegals, high prices for EVERYTHING, fucked up political views.......fuck it. Nevermind. The land itself is nice, thats about it.


You can apply the Texas Principle to it. "Texas (CA) would be great if it wasn't for all the Texans(Californians)"

Mind you my best friends are all from or living in TX at this time so I don't use it that much, except around them...:biggrin:

[Psi Brr]

X Ten Million!!

Fucking A these Fucktards from Massachusetts come to New Hampshire for low taxes and peace and quiet. Then they build houses on top of each other, want every Goddamn service in the world (Take your trash to the dump like the rest of us) then run for office and raise the Goddamn Taxes!!

GODDAMN! :mad: (Sorry, struck a nerve)I'm in Connecticut here... I promise to not fuck up New Hampshire... It's a great state; almost as nice as Vermont :biggrin:

[Psi Brr]

:biggrin: That shit is infuriating, isn't it? I had to tame down my original post a bit. :rolleyes:
Lower taxes = cheaper skiing & snowboarding!

[Massgrunt]

X Ten Million!!

Fucking A these Fucktards from Massachusetts come to New Hampshire for low taxes and peace and quiet. Then they build houses on top of each other, want every Goddamn service in the world (Take your trash to the dump like the rest of us) then run for office and raise the Goddamn Taxes!!

GODDAMN! :mad: (Sorry, struck a nerve)

Hey Sean, where are you from again? :biggrin:

[Guy]

Hey Sean, where are you from again? :biggrin:Hopefully his parents...

Stay safe.

[SN]

X Ten Million!!

Fucking A these Fucktards from Massachusetts come to New Hampshire for low taxes and peace and quiet. Then they build houses on top of each other, want every Goddamn service in the world (Take your trash to the dump like the rest of us) then run for office and raise the Goddamn Taxes!!

GODDAMN! :mad: (Sorry, struck a nerve)

LOL- I used to piss the ex's mom and dad off by telling them New Hampshire was a suburb of Boston.

[Seanmcd82]

Hey Sean, where are you from again? :biggrin:

LOL, hey the Statute of limitations are over buddy! I have Grandfathered myself!

lol, and of course I didn't mean your type of Masshole, :biggrin: I meant the other type. ;)

[RGR.Montcalm]

So. Cal and Florida are very similar when it comes to Cost of Living, maybe a bit higher in some places. But overall, both those retirement destinations are getting so damn expensive its hard to make a living and even think of retiring.
Gone are the days when you could buy a nice 3bed, 2bath home (2100sq ft) in North Port Fl for $135K... that same home we priced is over $375K now. Property is going through the ceiling. :smile:

The house my mom and dad built on a half acre of land in jacksonville in 1960 for $4000 is now valued at $93,000; the neighbor hood has gone to absolute shit around them too. They have 5 Great Danes to keep unwanteds out- the dogs cost a fortune to just feed but they love'em. BTW, this house is 32 MILES from JAX Beach, so its not anywhere near the water except a nearby creek that leads to the St johns River...

[CAP MARINE]

ytytr

[CAP MARINE]

CA.33Million in debt everyday

[okami1]

I kind of like it here.

It's easy to talk about bailing to another state, (those of you here who have put in your time are exempt ;)) but as I'm fairly young, and the piss and vinegar well isn't empty yet, I'll make do and change what I can. Remember the protests against the Marines in Berkeley? We're not all fuckheads. :biggrin:

[Flying Pig]

I would love a pilot job with the AZ DPS. I liked Flagstaff. Someone want to hire me?

[CA SGT]

Did I mention I hate California?

[OldSwabbie]

I prefer the East coast, I guess its just where you like to hang your hat. I happen to come across this today to send to a friend (back in FL), kinda goes along with what I was saying. This is in the little town that I live in. Our County is one of the largest in the state, 600+sq miles, but we only have 58,000 people total. Where I live I can shoot Deer and Turkeys in my front yard or backyard. Got a nice Turkey 2 years ago 10 feet beside my mailbox. I admit I had to shoot across a highway.. but ~ I looked both ways first... My wife wasnt happy though. :biggrin:

If I tried to find something like this back in Florida it would cost me #375K easy, California probably more.. or at least the same as Florida.

Built in 2003, 2 Story, 1600Sq ft on huge lot... 130K

http://www.weichert.com/search/realestate/propertyimages.aspx?p=22105092

[TJ2JM1783]

According to statistics (who knows how reliable they are) the top ten states with the highest number of illegal immigrants are CA, TX, FL, NY AR, AZ, GA, NJ, NC, VA, MD - in that order. California with 2,750,00+ illegals has almost 60% more immigrants than Texas at 1,600,000+. California has almost seven times as many illegals as North Carolina at 400,000+. I think those numbers impact, in a financial manner, the whole of the justice system, government assistance programs, and schools/education.

But, illegal immigration numbers are only a little bit over 8% of the California population (pop. 33,871,648 +/-). So personally I am not sure you can blame the problems in California with the number of illegal immigrants. What the heck are the other 92% doing? Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego have specific problems, I grant you, that are IMO different than anywhere else in the US except for New York City (and, of course, just like NH is a suburb of Boston, NJ is a suburb of New York ;) ) and Miami.

I went to college in Los Angeles; special needs and minority rights are changing the character of the state and bankrupting the institutional foundations. IMO Whether it be gun, divorce, and solicitation laws, or ecology initiatives, or mandated "inclusion" programs, etc. EVERY "different" human (liberal arts) need is trying to be met, encouraged, condoned, etc. Enough is never enough in their vocabulary.

Cripes. The politicians need to go back to kindergarten and get readjusted to the word NO. :biggrin: The people try to say no, sometimes, then the California Supreme Court says "unconstitutional". :mad: For me, any state that repetitively deprives me of the significance of my vote will not have me as a resident, for long. :biggrin:

JMO.

[okami1]

According to statistics (who knows how reliable they are) the top ten states with the highest number of illegal immigrants are CA, TX, FL, NY AR, AZ, GA, NJ, NC, VA, MD - in that order. California with 2,750,00+ illegals has almost 60% more immigrants than Texas at 1,600,000+. California has almost seven times as many illegals as North Carolina at 400,000+. I think those numbers impact, in a financial manner, the whole of the justice system, government assistance programs, and schools/education.

But, illegal immigration numbers are only a little bit over 8% of the California population (pop. 33,871,648 +/-). So personally I am not sure you can blame the problems in California with the number of illegal immigrants. What the heck are the other 92% doing? Los Angeles, San Francisco and San Diego have specific problems, I grant you, that are IMO different than anywhere else in the US except for New York City (and, of course, just like NH is a suburb of Boston, NJ is a suburb of New York ;) ) and Miami.

I went to college in Los Angeles; special needs and minority rights are changing the character of the state and bankrupting the institutional foundations. IMO Whether it be gun, divorce, and solicitation laws, or ecology initiatives, or mandated "inclusion" programs, etc. EVERY "different" human (liberal arts) need is trying to be met, encouraged, condoned, etc. Enough is never enough in their vocabulary.

I agree with a lot of what you said. I think it's one big social experiment that will produce change, both positive and negative. Most of CA is small town to downright rural. Go to Redding where my Dad lived for years, and you will most definitely not feel like you are in the Bay. Gun owners, engines hanging from the frontyard tree, pickups and all types of good stuff. You will not see surfboards, hippies, and bong shops. (for the most part) You will find NRA and US Flags and military stickers on trucks and cars galore. You will likely not see a Prius. True LIBERAL CA is a thin swath from the coast to 30 miles inland. They make the most noise, get the most airtime.

The whole political spectrum consists of that experimentation, and finding the common ground is ultimately what makes our nation more interesting and progressive. I mean progressive in the true sense of the word, not in the way that it is co-opted for use by those with lefty agendas.

The people try to say no, sometimes, then the California Supreme Court says "unconstitutional". :mad: For me, any state that repetitively deprives me of the significance of my vote will not have me as a resident, for long. :biggrin:

JMO.

Respectfully, and I have said this before, what you stated is an oversimplification of the issue (that which shall not be named) you refer to in the extreme. The whole reason that the Courts decided to hear the case on the constitutionality of said issue is precisely because of your vote. Your vote most definitely counts.

The nuts and bolts are in the fact that a legally recognized class of citizens was being denied rights made available to other citizens. It was determined by the Courts that this change in the Constitution represented a level of change to the CA Constitution that is legally classified as a Constitutional Revision as opposed to a Constitutional Amendment. An amendment requires a simple majority to pass, whereas a revision requires a 2/3 vote of the CA Legislature in order to even be put on the ballot and go before the electorate for a vote.

This did not happen, ergo the CASC is reviewing the constitutionality of that amendment and proceeding with the review.

No disrespect to you at all, but I'm a little tired of the same old "hey my vote is being subverted by a fag-friendly liberal state government" line. That statement is factually inaccurate. This is the Republic in action. This is what it is designed to do.

[Carl Spackler]

Again stay away...it REALLY sucks here...oh and its 80 degrees here. Much to hot for pure white skin. It will burn off. I live under 2 miles from some of the best beaches in the world...but hey you wouldn't know it cause you ain't gonna come! I LOVE it when people bang the state. I have been to every state in this union and lived in quite a few BUT always come back here. Its what you make of it. I ain't a gun nut so I can live jus fine with what I need. I ain't a racist...I hate everyone anyways....Aloha:biggrin:


Some of the immigrant comments show some serious borderline fear and ignorance....

[CAP MARINE]

Oklahoma is nice and friendly. and cheap

[LateNight]

Again stay away...it REALLY sucks here...oh and its 80 degrees here. Much to hot for pure white skin. It will burn off. I live under 2 miles from some of the best beaches in the world...but hey you wouldn't know it cause you ain't gonna come! I LOVE it when people bang the state. I have been to every state in this union and lived in quite a few BUT always come back here. Its what you make of it. I ain't a gun nut so I can live jus fine with what I need. I ain't a racist...I hate everyone anyways....Aloha:biggrin:


Some of the immigrant comments show some serious borderline fear and ignorance....

Ssshhhhhhhh!

Let them keep banging away, those of us who want to stay will have more elbow room. :biggrin:

[Looon]

California is the ONLY state, that both, sucks and blows.:mad:



I live in Iowa now.

[Guy]

Some of the immigrant comments show some serious borderline fear and ignorance....Nobody is bashing immigrants in general. It was about "ILLEGAL" immigrants.:cool:

Stay safe.

[Fergie]

I kind of like it here.

It's easy to talk about bailing to another state, (those of you here who have put in your time are exempt ;)) but as I'm fairly young, and the piss and vinegar well isn't empty yet, I'll make do and change what I can. Remember the protests against the Marines in Berkeley? We're not all fuckheads. :biggrin:

Okami,
I am with you here. I was stationed at Pendleton in the 80's, and moved back to the Sacramento area in 2002. I will say that the politics are a little different from my native Texas, but the people out here were I live are pretty cool and down to earth. It does not hurt that we live in a relatively right of center area.

I have to say that the majority of folks that I have met out here are not fuckheads. I still get pretty fed up with the politics and some of the other bullshit that goes on out here, but I knew what I was getting into when we came here.

[doitforjonny]

"The nuts and bolts are in the fact that a legally recognized class of citizens was being denied rights made available to other citizens"

Didnt we already beat this horse silly? why start it up again?

This is exactly the point, that absolute tolerance inevitably tramples your rights if you had the misfortune of not being born a minority

[spectr17]

I'm trying to recall the exact number that LA County pays out monthly for illegals from the last report, it was something like 33 million, per month. This was from County Supervisor Zev Zeraslovsky. That's over a quarter billion dollars a year for ONE county.

Some LA city schools are graduating 26% of their students according to the latest report cards this week. Guess where those dropouts that make up the other 74% end up? Teen pregnancy is the highest it's ever been in CA.

Fear and ignorance? No, I realize we just can't sustain this massive drain on our tax money and infrastructure much longer. In fact, doomsday is here according to Ah-nold and the legislature, just like a few predicted. 14 billion in the hole this year, 74 billion in the hole in the next 18 months. Naturally the libs solution is to raise taxes, driving even more businesses (me) out of CA.

As far as the numbers of illegals the goobermint claims are here in CA, please. One lady said it best from Williams CA when she stood up to sing the national anthem at her son's high school football game. When no one in the WHOLE bleachers stood up with her she asked why and the reply she got was, "Why? It's not our country".

[MP18D]

If only we could get that fence built at Bakersfield...... :)

[Guy]

This is exactly the point, that absolute tolerance inevitably tramples your rights if you had the misfortune of not being born a minorityBlue-eyed devils are screwing up America!:smile:

Stay safe.

[triumph]

DDSSDV, I was waiting for you to post, fully predicting what you would say.:biggrin:

Except for the higher housing costs, CA is great. Been in San Diego now for over 7 years, don't plan on leaving. Don't get me wrong though, if I could, I would love to buy a house with some decent land in a second in Oregon.

[Carl Spackler]

DDSSDV, I was waiting for you to post, fully predicting what you would say.:biggrin:

Except for the higher housing costs, CA is great. Been in San Diego now for over 7 years, don't plan on leaving. Don't get me wrong though, if I could, I would love to buy a house with some decent land in a second in Oregon.

Gold Beach area is mild like Cali. Oregon would be my second choice when I can't surf anymore.

[Ex-PH]

Again stay away...it REALLY sucks here...oh and its 80 degrees here. Much to hot for pure white skin. It will burn off. I live under 2 miles from some of the best beaches in the world...but hey you wouldn't know it cause you ain't gonna come! I LOVE it when people bang the state. I have been to every state in this union and lived in quite a few BUT always come back here. Its what you make of it. I ain't a gun nut so I can live jus fine with what I need. I ain't a racist...I hate everyone anyways....Aloha:biggrin:


Some of the immigrant comments show some serious borderline fear and ignorance....I was born and raised in San Diego and can't wait to get back there. All I need is a job, and I'm on my way. Thank God I work for Uncle Sugar, so at least there's a chance of a job actually being there for me.

[Tracy]

Ain't but three things wrong with California:

Traffic.
Crime.
Pollution.

Fix any two problems, and I may come back.

I was raised in Simi Valley/San Fernando Valley. When it was blue collar. When HS graduation rates were up and teen pregnancy was down. We celebrated both US and Mexican holidays. Guns? Tons of them; and strangely enough no one seemed to mind. Hippies? We built a fence around them and sold tickets. It was a time a HS graduate could put themselves through CSUN or UCLA working a night job and have a bachelor's degree in 4-5 years. No scholarships, no special loans.

Immigrants? God Bless them. Good people, salt of the earth and almost all were devout Catholics. Illegal immigrants were just a news story. You strictly behaved like a gentleman/lady when dating an immigre; because their family had high standards of behavior for their children.

California almost turned itself around in 1992 from its slide into mediocrity. Then along comes the "Rodney King" incident. From my perspective, that's where things went from bad to worse. Large groups of people with no investment whatsoever in the quality of life decided they were entitled to anything they could get their hands on. When the moderate majority spoke up and said 'no', they were branded as racist, sexist, homophobes, etc. You get the picture. Guess who the media covered quite sympathetically?

Anyone notice that most every city with 'problems' requiring "special legislation", "power to the people" and other nonsensical amenities have been run by Democrats most of the last 50 years?

California is the way it is because the vocal minority groups are empowered to decide its fate. My only hope is that it's not too contagious. I don't think California will improve until it completely slides into banruptcy and anarchy. Then the entitlement vultures will go somewhere else and pick over another state's benefits. California needs to crash hard, so the real soul of the state can get it back and make it great again.

[okami1]

"The nuts and bolts are in the fact that a legally recognized class of citizens was being denied rights made available to other citizens"

Didnt we already beat this horse silly? why start it up again?

This is exactly the point, that absolute tolerance inevitably tramples your rights if you had the misfortune of not being born a minority

I'm not starting anything. I'm calling BS. It's a matter of legal procedure. Your last statement is based on emotion and has no bearing on what I'm referring to.

[GackMan]

Gold Beach area is mild like Cali. Oregon would be my second choice when I can't surf anymore.


Just bring your 8mm suit. waves are a little blown out and choppy some times but the line up is never crowded. :biggrin:

[Psi Brr]

Oklahoma is nice and friendly. and cheap
...and they have a GREAT Wrestling Team, and Garth Brooks, of course.

[Psi Brr]

California is the ONLY state, that both, sucks and blows.:mad:

I live in Iowa now.Iowa... TWO great Wrestling Teams!

[Looon]

It was about "ILLEGAL" immigrants.:cool:

Yep. I don't care what color, nationality, religion, or how ugly someone is, as long as they don't sneak the fuck in.

Everyone talks about 'sanctuary' cities. California is truely a sanctuary state for illegals. LA is the new unofficial capitol of Mexico IMO.

California's economy is the 6th or 7th largest in the world, ahead of most countries, yet it's run no better than our federal government.

Totally fubar in so many areas.

[ASTAC918]

Oklahoma is nice and friendly. and cheap

Yeah, love it here. We've only got tornados and ice, as opposed to the fires, mudslides, earthquakes, duststorms, brownouts, and freeway shooters out there...:cool:

[KidA]

Blue-eyed devils are screwing up America!:smile:

Stay safe.

Hey!

[CA SGT]

Illegal immigration and its impacts on state and local budgets (welfare, social services, first five, free breakfast, lunch, etc etc, ad nauseaum) are a big part of why the state is 15-20 BILLION in the red. I also dont care what color you are....come here legally.

California is horribly broken and it will only get worse

[Psi Brr]

This might be a thread-splitter here...

I live in a town in CT that did not have bilingual city forms until about five years ago. It's ridiculous to me that a minority group would demand the city cow-tow to them because they won't learn English. Now, before you flame me... I live in a town that has for decades been populated primarily by Italian and Polish immigrants, many of whom still speak their respective languages at home, but transact all other business in English. They expect that's the way it should be because this is America, not their country of origin.

What makes Latinos (who are a relatively new, but growing population in our town) so special? It's a hot button issue for this very reason. Everyone else learned to speak English, and to expect to NOT have to is elitist on the part of the Spanish-speaking minority. It should be one way or the other: English only, or forms that cater to EVERY minority language.

[Carl Spackler]

Ain't but three things wrong with California:

Traffic.
Crime.
Pollution.

[/B]

Traffic is worse in Hawaii. At least it moves at 60 not Aloha Friday 20.

Crime is everywhere. I never had to live around it (OC).

Pollution is worse in Houston. With the seasonal windy season....well its still 80 today....:smile:

[Carl Spackler]

Yeah, love it here. We've only got tornados and ice, as opposed to the fires, mudslides, earthquakes, duststorms, brownouts, and freeway shooters out there...:cool:

LMAO...media fears...believe it...its ALL true

[Whitebean54]

I hail from a state where half the people are underwater and the others are under indictment....

I got some beach front property in NOLA if anyone of you Kali folk are interested. ;)

The above was quoted from Billy Tauzan

[spectr17]

Don't get me wrong, I fell in love with CA when I moved here in 1980. Doing airdrops near El Centro and riding the 3 wheelers at nearby Glamis. Learning to dive in the kelp fields off Port Hueneme, San Clemente and Catalina Island. Skiing in the local mtns and chasin wild boar at Fort Hunter Liggett.

What sucks is seeing this great state start to swirl the bowl. My commute has gone from 30 mins to an hour and that's if no squarehead balls up their car, making it a 2 hour commute. And that's just one way.

And what really turns my crank is I had my avacado tree stripped last year when several families of illegals moved in next door. When I asked the cops to press the trespass issue the reply I got was they wouldn't cite them into court, Why? Because they wouldn't show up anyways and with fake IDs there was no way to track them down. That's when I started looking out of state for land.

[ASTAC918]

LMAO...media fears...believe it...its ALL true

Sorry, there's no tounge-in-cheek smiley. Maybe :p+:biggrin:+:cool:??

I lived there 10+ years during- and post-service. I love the weather and terrain NE of San Diego. It was beautiful ranch country in it's day, now Ramona's just a suburb. I would've stayed if I could've afforded land to pasture the horses I breed (47 at the moment). Quality of life is good here and I get to do what I want on a larger scale. Without sacrificing my income to the gub'mit so they can turn it over to social programs I wouldn't be allowed to participate in...moving was a no-brainer. The crime, smog, traffic, and taxes/fees just made it easier when you stack them up side by side.

[Psi Brr]

Say... is Dog-Patch USA still up in the Hills over San Diego? They used to have the coldest friggin' beer on the planet.

[ASTAC918]

uuuhhhhh, wut?:confused:

[Tracy]

Traffic is worse in Hawaii. At least it moves at 60 not Aloha Friday 20.

Crime is everywhere. I never had to live around it (OC).

Pollution is worse in Houston. With the seasonal windy season....well its still 80 today....:smile:

You can have it, with my blessing.

[Psi Brr]

uuuhhhhh, wut?:confused:Sorry... It was a pub that was (I believe) in the hills NE of SD. We used to head up there because it was out of town (so to speak). I was wondering if it's still there.

[ASTAC918]

Sorry... It was a pub that was (I believe) in the hills NE of SD. We used to head up there because it was out of town (so to speak). I was wondering if it's still there.

Never heard of it...:(

[Carl Spackler]

Sorry, there's no tounge-in-cheek smiley. Maybe :p+:biggrin:+:cool:??

I lived there 10+ years during- and post-service. I love the weather and terrain NE of San Diego. It was beautiful ranch country in it's day, now Ramona's just a suburb. I would've stayed if I could've afforded land to pasture the horses I breed (47 at the moment). Quality of life is good here and I get to do what I want on a larger scale. Without sacrificing my income to the gub'mit so they can turn it over to social programs I wouldn't be allowed to participate in...moving was a no-brainer. The crime, smog, traffic, and taxes/fees just made it easier when you stack them up side by side.

I hear ya. But Oklahoma? No ocean, stupid rednecks and nothing to do....(no I am ignorant smiley):biggrin:

[ASTAC918]

I hear ya. But Oklahoma? No ocean, stupid rednecks and nothing to do....(no I am ignorant smiley):biggrin:

Hey, I was in Arkansas before now. Granted both of them are Top 5 companies according to Forbes....
I like the ocean, but to be honest I never, never, never went to Mission Beach to bike down the boardwalk or try to surf unless it was a (wife's) family gathering...PB on Saturday night however...
Now when I go to San Diego I do those things and enjoy it because I'm on vacation...plus I know where the good mexican food places are.

[TJ2JM1783]

Respectfully, and I have said this before, what you stated is an oversimplification of the issue (that which shall not be named) you refer to in the extreme. The whole reason that the Courts decided to hear the case on the constitutionality of said issue is precisely because of your vote. Your vote most definitely counts.

The minority vote you mean.

The nuts and bolts are in the fact that a legally recognized class of citizens was being denied rights made available to other citizens. It was determined by the Courts that this change in the Constitution represented a level of change to the CA Constitution that is legally classified as a Constitutional Revision as opposed to a Constitutional Amendment. An amendment requires a simple majority to pass, whereas a revision requires a 2/3 vote of the CA Legislature in order to even be put on the ballot and go before the electorate for a vote.

I understand every word you are saying while believing, accurately I think, you are "speaking in tongues". Constitutions apparently can be revised, changed, interpreted with little regard to the original intent. It is inconceivable and illogical to think that the group sponsoring the aforementioned nameless amendment, did not know the "rules". California has proven that it has little conscience when deciding to override/usurp the power of the its citizens.

BTW, I do not believe special groups/minority peoples are denied rights just because a law does not specifically document their protection by name/group. They should have the same rights as you and I, no more/no less. There are plenty laws already on the books to protect citizens against crime. I guess its OK to hate stupid white men since they're about the only majority still existing in the US. :smile:


No disrespect to you at all, but I'm a little tired of the same old "hey my vote is being subverted by a fag-friendly liberal state government" line. That statement is factually inaccurate. This is the Republic in action. This is what it is designed to do.

Not what I wrote or what I was thinking. Contrary to popular opinion, there is much more going on in the State of California than that one issue. No.

[TJ2JM1783]

Ain't but three things wrong with California:

Traffic.
Crime.
Pollution.

Fix any two problems, and I may come back.

I was raised in Simi Valley/San Fernando Valley. When it was blue collar. When HS graduation rates were up and teen pregnancy was down. We celebrated both US and Mexican holidays. Guns? Tons of them; and strangely enough no one seemed to mind. Hippies? We built a fence around them and sold tickets. It was a time a HS graduate could put themselves through CSUN or UCLA working a night job and have a bachelor's degree in 4-5 years. No scholarships, no special loans.

Immigrants? God Bless them. Good people, salt of the earth and almost all were devout Catholics. Illegal immigrants were just a news story. You strictly behaved like a gentleman/lady when dating an immigre; because their family had high standards of behavior for their children.

California almost turned itself around in 1992 from its slide into mediocrity. Then along comes the "Rodney King" incident. From my perspective, that's where things went from bad to worse. Large groups of people with no investment whatsoever in the quality of life decided they were entitled to anything they could get their hands on. When the moderate majority spoke up and said 'no', they were branded as racist, sexist, homophobes, etc. You get the picture. Guess who the media covered quite sympathetically?

Anyone notice that most every city with 'problems' requiring "special legislation", "power to the people" and other nonsensical amenities have been run by Democrats most of the last 50 years?

California is the way it is because the vocal minority groups are empowered to decide its fate. My only hope is that it's not too contagious. I don't think California will improve until it completely slides into banruptcy and anarchy. Then the entitlement vultures will go somewhere else and pick over another state's benefits. California needs to crash hard, so the real soul of the state can get it back and make it great again.

Exactly.

[8Ball]

I hear ya. But Oklahoma? No ocean, stupid rednecks and nothing to do....(no I am ignorant smiley):biggrin:

Hey! Easy now. Why you bringing us into this?:smile: We (rednecks) are everywhere. Not just Oklahoma. Besides, The beach is overrated. The mountains are where it's at!

Signed,
A Florida escapee.

[KJ]

I was born and raised in the Bay Area of California. Always felt like a square peg in a round hole. When I went into the military and left the state, I found out I wasn't the weird one, they all were!

California, no thanks!

[jsmurphy]

Well somebody's got to stay and piss off the liberals.

I'm staying.

[okami1]

It is inconceivable and illogical to think that the group sponsoring the aforementioned nameless amendment, did not know the "rules".

Is it? I don't think that they realized before it went to the ballot that the Revision argument would be brought up.

BTW, I do not believe special groups/minority peoples are denied rights just because a law does not specifically document their protection by name/group. They should have the same rights as you and I, no more/no less. There are plenty laws already on the books to protect citizens against crime. I guess its OK to hate stupid white men since they're about the only majority still existing in the US. :smile:

Agreed. There is definitely a contingent of self-hating guilt-ridden white liberals in this state who aid and abet all forms of ridiculousness. Since I fall within the white male category, (at least appearance-wise) it is something that causes me great consternation. Try being born and raised in Berkeley too.

Not what I wrote or what I was thinking. Contrary to popular opinion, there is much more going on in the State of California than that one issue.

HUA. I get what you are saying about the usurpation of the power of the citizenry, but I think it gets back to that social experimentation factor, right or wrong.

The part in Tracy's post which you highlighted is definitely something that I agree with, and see happening at some point in the not-too-distant future.

[TJ2JM1783]

Well somebody's got to stay and piss off the liberals.

I'm staying.

I'm glad you're staying. This is where the truly selfish part of my personality comes out. I agree that some rational people need to stay, but I would rather it be you than me. :biggrin:

[TJ2JM1783]

Is it? I don't think that they realized before it went to the ballot that the Revision argument would be brought up.

I agree it is possible, but given their time and money expenditure, IMO is more likely they considered it, then they and their attorneys rejected it. All the while they must have KNOWN there were/are going to be challenges of one sort or another. Just not that one. It is too obvious in my book. Go figure. :eek: Maybe next time, the State can find some obscure 1823 law which . . . Only 91 more challenges to go. :biggrin:

(I did not highlight Tracy's text.)

[Looon]

The ONLY thing I miss about that FUBAR state, is the weather.

Right now, global warming is setting new record LOWs here in the mid west.:eek:

[okami1]

I just got done looking through the pictures of the most recent protest in SF by the pro-HAMAS folks. Brilliant. And they keep getting more and more illogical.

Fuck it. I'm sending target coordinates for the next one right before I E&E to my forest retreat in the Sierras while it all burns. For the time being, I'm here, but I don't have to accept this bullshit as part of what CA once was and should be. What a mess.

[okami1]

I agree it is possible, but given their time and money expenditure, IMO is more likely they considered it, then they and their attorneys rejected it. All the while they must have KNOWN there were/are going to be challenges of one sort or another. Just not that one. It is too obvious in my book. Go figure. :eek: Maybe next time, the State can find some obscure 1823 law which . . . Only 91 more challenges to go. :biggrin:

(I did not highlight Tracy's text.)

Gotcha. Credit to the author. See last post. :biggrin:

[jsmurphy]

I agree that some rational people need to stay, but I would rather it be you than me. :biggrin:

That's cool.

It's 82 and sunny and the hotties are out walking in their booty shorts and tank tops with, as Bob Seger sang, "... points of her own, sittin' way up high". :tongue:

[Bravo_One_Three]

You guys are looking at it all wrong.......Where else can you find and piss off this many hippies? :cool:

The Pacific Northwest.

[okami1]

That's cool.

It's 82 and sunny and the hotties are out walking in their booty shorts and tank tops with, as Bob Seger sang, "... points of her own, sittin' way up high". :tongue:

Eeeeeeeexxactly. But seriously, don't come to CA, the booty shorts in january and 30,000 asian 20 year olds on the Cal campus are too much to deal with.

[Expatmedic]

Eeeeeeeexxactly. But seriously, don't come to CA, the booty shorts in january and 30,000 asian 20 year olds on the Cal campus are too much to deal with.

I'm saving myself for the one-toothed woman in Foresthill, then again there are many.;)

I love California as a geographical area, but the politics, the special interest groups, the lawmakers who cannot put their bullshit asside are sinking this once great state.

[okami1]

I'm saving myself for the one-toothed woman in Foresthill, then again there are many.;)

I love California as a geographical area, but the politics, the special interest groups, the lawmakers who cannot put their bullshit asside are sinking this once great state.

I feel you. We are in for some change, and everyone better get ready to suck it up.

[jsmurphy]

Short article that relates to this thread.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/thoughts-on-the-therapeutic-style/

Spot on.

[ksfa]

We used to say..."don't Californicate here", but they did and we now have smog.

[Expatmedic]

http://sacbee.com/topstories/story/1600656.html

I think this is hilarious. It's just a nice little fuck you to Arnold.

[BrooklynBen]

Well somebody's got to stay and piss off the liberals.

I'm staying.G-d Bless you Bro and best of luck. I was a rare 4th generation Californian, saw where the State was heading and got out 20 years ago. I know of a significant number of other "old Californians" who have done the same. I think it may be because we knew what it used to be and it hurts us too much to see what it's become and where it seems to be heading.

Don't forget to turn off the lights if you're the last one out. :biggrin: