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dvpj
15 August 2000, 14:08
I would imagine that by now we've all heard of the drama unfolding in the Barents Sea.
Adversary or not, all submariners, past and present have a soft spot in their heart for the men trapped on board the Kursk.

The RAN, the RN, and the USN have the ability to carry out a rescue (if the conditions are favorable)although "tested" they have never actually been employed.

Should the call come from the Russian Navy, I'm sure that the divers (men and women) of the USN's Deep Submergence Unit will shine!!

Special operators in their own right, the men and women of the DSU honorably stand watch over submarine fleets around the world.

There can be no worse fate than to count the seconds off to your own demise.

Please join me in hoping for a favorable outcome.

[This message has been edited by dvpj (edited 08-16-2000).]

RAT
16 August 2000, 00:14
Having been on a sub and having done lock-out's... My hart goes out to these Seamen who are trapped. Hope they all are rescued.

Semper Fi

RAT OUT!!!

Deepsea
8 September 2000, 02:01
Guys remember what the Kursk was made for. The desruction of the free world. They were under going weapons testing a new torpedo that would allow the deployment of nuclear warheads any where any time with enough shit to destroy a city the size of L.A. or New York. I feel for the unfortunate souls and their plight but one less bullet in the communist gun can only be a good thing. Remember Russia is broke and can't even fund their dying space program but they can build submarines with special weapons that haven't even been photograpthed or seen by our eyes. Food for thought.

dvpj
8 September 2000, 07:55
I must partially agree.

However, I must offer this; the men on board that ship were doing their job, as much as we don't like it, as much as we find it wrong, they were doing their job. Just like the fallen of any military. It was not their decision to go out there and test/operate WMD.

Several years ago I was teaching a course in International Ops in KSD. We, for years, had classes of one country at a time. Japan, Taiwan, S. Korea, Mexico, Sing., Turkey, ... you get it lots of players. The state department and NETSAFA went out of their way, in those days, to keep the countries seperated. Then a huge ship/ technology transfer was begining and our course load went through the roof!! We had nearly a hundred students at a time from six or eight countries at a time.
Then IT happened, we got a class of students who were almost half and half Greek and Turkish. We were worried. We had meetings with the instructors and staff about how to handle any problem that may erupt. We spoke to a several people to see if we could hold one group back, wetried everything... NETSAFA, CTP, and CNET all said we were on a short fuse. Good luck!

So we did.

We got the class together, there was some posturing, and some furtive glances...I was sure we would have a fight. I asked for the two senior men to step out side with me and we talked.

They both said, on their own, that the disagreements that their governments have are between their governments, not them. Both governments protested. But all in all that was one of the best classes we had in my time in the FMS/IMET program.

Conflicts and disagreements are with the chiefs, not the indians.

The crew of the Kursk was doing what their government told them to do, as any soldier or sailor would. They were also in trouble, and I would think that as men of honor and action we could see through our differences, step up, and render aid if we could.

DFC5343
12 September 2000, 07:58
Politics dictates death but the smell of your enemies breath is always the same. It stinks!

FLTCREW1
12 September 2000, 10:25
DVPJ:

Very Well said, and I completely agree.

NSDQ