Home grown nuts

[dsumner]

With everyone's attention focused on foreign terrorist organizations, does anyone else think domestic terrorist/anti-government groups would use this as an oppertunity to strike?

[michal piekarski]

The idea was good, but nothing has happened

[jgj]

I don't think so -though anything is possible- but even domestic and anti-government 'terrorist' groups still have some sort of pride in the US. Most of them respect our Country, they just hate the government running it. So I think they may reevaluate any actions during this time of national crisis. Maybe...

[fish78]

Doug Clark and the Hot Nuts? "...get 'em from the peanut man..."

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"If you are in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
Herschel Davis

[dsumner]

IMHO, and my opinion only, I think the Anthrax attacks are the work of a US citizen who used the 9/11 atacks as an opertunity to strike. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

[TXSWAT]

I've been to a number of seminars and courses on Domestic Terrorism and Hate Groups. It is disturbing to note that prior to 9-11, members of aryan nation, new black panthers and Farakan cronies had been wined-and-dined by Qadafi. Intel suggests attempts to forge the extremely diverse groups to put aside their differences and fight their common enemy, the US Federal Government.

Since 9-11, it would take a very dedicated and hate-filled zealot to follow through on what, before 9-11, seemed to be something fun to ponder. Most of the people in these groups have bought into the rhetoric, but aren't the "active participation" types....luckily.

I do know that locally, anti-government groups have been active. In the midst of the usual rhetoric though, is a push to "protect americans". As much as they feel threatened by the Feds and don't trust Law Enforcement, they hate any who go against the stars and stripes far more.

[jgj]

Looks like a domestic did strike -- I wouldn't call one man a terrorist group -- but I think attacks of Antrax could be deemed Terrorism. While most attention was placed on a foreign source for the Anthrax scare, most of it could have come from internal Americans using the opportunity.
- jgj

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ASHCROFT DID NOT elaborate, but an anti-abortion activist told MSNBC.com last Saturday that Waagner had broken into his home at gunpoint on Friday, then proceeded to confess to the hoaxes while boasting that he would kill 42 workers at clinics where abortions are performed unless those procedures are stopped.
That activist, Neal Horsley, runs a Web site — christiangallery.com — that first gained attention when he published a list of doctors who anti-abortion activists want to see tried “for crimes against humanity.”
Horsley said Waagner wanted him to disseminate the threat so that those clinics would stop practicing abortions.
Horsley later said he was questioned by the FBI and police in Carrollton, Ga., where he lives. The Justice Department would not comment on Horsley’s allegation or on any aspect of the evidence cited by Ashcroft.
Other sources told NBC News that investigators are investigating whether Waagner had help, because of the large number of letters.

HUNDREDS OF LETTERS
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Scores of family-planning clinics in at least 12 states have received letters containing anthrax threats, according to officials of feminist and abortion-rights organizations.
The Feminist Majority Foundation said more than 450 clinics and advocacy organizations received letters in envelopes carrying white powder and letters signed by “the Army of God.”
None of the powder sent to the clinics has tested positive for anthrax.
Waagner, 44, a jail escapee from Illinois, was placed on the FBI’s “Ten Most Wanted Fugitives” list in September.
The FBI considers Waagner “extremely dangerous. He has survival skills and may be heavily armed,” Assistant FBI Director Rueben Garcia said.
Ashcroft called Waagner a “self-described anti-abortion warrior.”

FIREARMS CHARGES
He escaped in February from a Clinton, Ill., jail where he was awaiting sentencing on federal firearms and auto theft convictions. He also is being sought for a Pennsylvania bank robbery, firearms violations in Tennessee and a carjacking in Mississippi.
Police said that on Sept. 7 Waagner abandoned a car on a highway in Memphis, Tenn., after colliding with a tractor-trailer. A pipe bomb was found in the car, along with anti-abortion literature and weapons.
Hours later, a man believed to be Waagner committed a carjacking in Tunica, Miss., 40 miles southwest of Memphis, authorities said. A casino there was evacuated after a tip that he was there.
Waagner had been arrested in September 1999 after entering Illinois with his wife and eight children in a stolen Winnebago, which had four stolen handguns under the driver’s seat, authorities said.

GOD’S ‘WARRIOR’
During his trial on firearms violations and auto theft, Waagner testified that he had watched abortion clinics for months, stocking up weapons after God asked him to “be my warrior” and kill doctors who provide abortions.
In June, abortion clinics were warned after someone purporting to be Waagner posted an Internet message threatening to kill employees of abortion providers.
That same month, a federal grand jury charged Waagner with robbing a bank just outside Harrisburg, Pa., in May.
The FBI is offering a reward of $50,000 for information leading to Waagner’s arrest.

MSNBC.com’s Miguel Llanos as well as The Associated Press contributed to this report.


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[wolfhound227]

Originally posted by dsumner:
IMHO, and my opinion only, I think the Anthrax attacks are the work of a US citizen who used the 9/11 atacks as an opertunity to strike. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

I'm with you there. I think it's one guy. A wannabe. It's killing him that a bunch of foriegners are getting all the attention. I bet he thinks that once he's caught his name will go down in history like Binladin, Hitler or Manson. Personally, I hope when they catch whoever this dickless wonder is, they try him in secret, execute him and burry him in an unmarked grave.

[Curtis Newkirk]

Mark the grave. I wanna piss on it.

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Nuck
"Defensor Brewus"
Defender of the beer

[RLK]

I got a Cleveland Steamer waitin' for the bastid when Nuck's done.

[T-Rock]

*NEW INFO*

Supposedly the Anthrax used in the 2001 letters were "individually coated anthrax spores" and had a unique "SSP" silica and polymerized glass which electrostatically charged the spores to adhere more readily into the alveoli for better lung deposition, something that US Bioweapons experts had never seen before. The weaponized anthrax may not have been homegrown afterall.

IRAQ was pioneering this technology!



Interesting article(pdf):
http://www.tnr.com/PDF/spine_anthraxletters.pdf

and here: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/04/post_33.html

[Doc P]

I don't think domestic groups will take advantage of our eastward focus. They are mostly well known and/or "easier" to infiltrate with undercover personnel. I can see a domestic "inspired by" type of attack, perhaps a larger scale than the mall shooter a month or so ago.

[Scorpion6]

Originally posted by : T-Rock

IRAQ was pioneering this technology!
You don't get out much do you?

Or you believe everything that the mainstream media tells you.

The following document comes directly from the Senate. I'll post the URL as well. Both are the direct link to the document.

http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

I suggest reading the entire document. It's a bit enlightening to say the least. (http://intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf)

Pay close attention to page 131 of the actual document, it will be page 134 of the pdf.

I'll post some highlights:

Pgs 128-9.

B. Iraq: No Large-Scale Chemical Warfare Efforts Since Early 1990s
(U) The basic key finding of the chemical warfare retrospective is that Iraq probably did not pursue significant chemical warfare efforts after 1991. The retrospective states that CIA'S revised conclusions differ significantly from its judgments prior to OIF because of subsequent events and direct access to Iraqi officials, scientists, facilities, and documents that contradict the existence of a major CW effort. A combination of direct and inferential evidence indicates that Iraq abandoned efforts to maintain a hidden CW capacity in mid- 1991. Postwar information -- documents, site inspections, and debriefing of detainees and other experts -- have provided credible explanations of most of the gaps and inconsistencies that troubled the CIA and UN inspectors before OIF.


Pgs. 131-2

(U) The retrospective concludes with an analytic discussion on findings in
Iraq which states:

What we are left with is an absence of evidence to sustain earlier assessments of coordinated and planned widespread D&D activity to conceal active WMD programs. We have not reviewed completely the vast amounts of physical evidence-audio and videotapes and documents. If Saddam's regime had carried out concealment and
deception operations on WMD to the scale necessary, we believe we should have found at least some incidental reporting or references, logistical documents and the like that we have found on other equally damaging topics-like Iraqi genocide and CW use. There comes a point where the absence of evidence does indeed become the evidence of absence.

The entirety of the document will illustrate that Iraq wasn't pioneering shit.

Also, I wouldn't assume to know anything about what U.S. Bioweapons experts know and don't know, unless of course you are a U.S. Bioweapons expert, but that's not likely is it. And it's not like they're going to divulge any information publicy that would lead to any understanding of what they know or don't know.

[T-Rock]

You don't get out much do you?


Yeah….I’m confined within the walls of a hospital roughly 4-6 12/hr nightshifts/wk. You’re right, I don’t get out much….

Or you believe everything that the mainstream media tells you.


No....not really, I don't believe much of what my politicians tell me either.


I gather you didn’t read the PDF file? I did find the article (April 2007?) by Dany Shoham and Stuart M. Jacobsen very interesting. I was surprised it made it’s way to the web via Harvard College. Dany Shoham is presently a research chemist with the IDF and specializes in Biological / Chemical warfare (so the article says). The other researcher, Dr. Jacobsen, is a research chemist here in Texas. Apparently, the way the spores were encapsulated (polymerized glass) are very rare indeed (the Leahy letter). The method utilized in the encapsulation process made them extremely virulent. If not Iraq (the authors point in this direction, although, not conclusively), my question would be, who pioneered this technology? The fingerprint (signature) is in the encapsulation process which leads the researchers to look not the Anthrax spores themselves, but at their coatings. The chemical coatings and methodology utilized to coat the spores does in fact leave a footprint.

[quark]

I wonder if it might not lead to Russia? They seem to have been researching Anthrax for some time (Sverdlovsk, 1979), and Iraq was one of their client states. Add that to the recent events with polonium 210 in London, and it seems they are not averse to such things.