Muslim Demographics

[Hostile0311]

I didn't find this link posted anywhere. If its a repost please delete. If there is any truth to the statistics mentioned, its certainly sobering as well as alarming. :eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=player_embedded

[sabasarge]

If this is an issue that interests/troubles you, I highly recommend Mark Steyn's book America Alone.
An excellent, entertaining, and sobering read.

[Looon]

I believe it to be fairly accurate based on what I know to be happening in Europe.

[MakoZeroSix]

I believe it to be fairly accurate based on what I know to be happening in Europe.

Agree, but I'm not sure the answer to salvage our civilization is to start breeding like cockroaches like they do. Rather, then answer is to not let them in our countries to begin with, and to allow natural attrition, (disease, hunger, ect.) that for the history of mankind has served to put a check on that kind of thing, to go back into effect. Or once we run out of resources they'll die off anyway.

Either that, or we can just wait for the Europeans to freak out and slaughter all of them once they realize that their way of life is doomed. It's not like they've never done that sort of thing...

Anyway, too many people are on this planet in the first place. No need to encourage more breeding.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

I love the sinister voice the narrator uses when saying the word "immigration."

WTF does the narrator mean at the end of the video when he says "This is a call to action"?
Is he asking Christians to start fucking more?

[DirtyDog0311]

Is he asking Christians to start fucking more?

HAHA. If he isn't, I am. :biggrin:

Which you think would be hotter? Catholic schoolgirls or Muslim schoolgirls (hypothetically if they didn't get beat or have acid thrown in their faces for going to school)?

Motivational poster anyone..............?

[M.Pen]

Agree, but I'm not sure the answer to salvage our civilization is to start breeding like cockroaches like they do. Rather, then answer is to not let them in our countries to begin with, and to allow natural attrition, (disease, hunger, ect.) that for the history of mankind has served to put a check on that kind of thing, to go back into effect. Or once we run out of resources they'll die off anyway.

Either that, or we can just wait for the Europeans to freak out and slaughter all of them once they realize that their way of life is doomed. It's not like they've never done that sort of thing...

Anyway, too many people are on this planet in the first place. No need to encourage more breeding.

The first step would be for us europeans stop PAYING them to breed once they get into our countries. Allah commands you to breed like rabbits? Well in that case we command Allah to command YOU to pay for their upkeep.

Islamic minorities are a problem in many countries with liberal social policies. In many countries, the more kids you have, the more benefits you get. Now couple that with the tendency of Muslims to view themselves as infinitely superior to non-Muslims and you've got a recipe for disaster: a rapidly expanding minority who segregate THEMSELVES from the rest of the population.

[smp52]

The idea that this will become a scenario of United States vs. the world is solipsistic. I find it amusing how post 9-11, all these so called experts or organizations start beating the drum on the menace of Islamists with the vision that the United States will be the lone holdover while rest of the world will be consumed by Islamists or their allies.

The Chinese aren't fans of these guys, they will use them, but will slaughter them when they feel threatened. Same thing in Russia. Plenty of places in Africa where people will slaughter each other over religion. Throw in 800 million or so Hindus in the Indian subcontinent where this type of violence has been going on for some time. Shias and Sunnis can be guaranteed to keep at each others throats as long as they live.

The demographics that immigrated to Europe vs to the United States is quite different. Europe wanted cheap labor but doesn't afford any upward mobility. They created their own problems. Also, we're a nation of 300 million. 9 million, if that's the right number, is 3%. World Factbook states .6% in 2007. I know estimates range all over the place, but I doubt it is 9 million.

IMHO, whenever someone comes rallying that Christians are about to be overrun by Islamists, I'm as suspicious of them as the Islamists. There are more people in the world than Christians or Muslims, about 2-3 billion worth.

[Ralphie]

Well put, smp52.

[redhawk]

I love the sinister voice the narrator uses when saying the word "immigration."

WTF does the narrator mean at the end of the video when he says "This is a call to action"?
Is he asking Christians to start fucking more?
+1. This video may be subtle, but it has a T-rock feel. That said, it's time for the European Muslims to assimilate.

[Vincent]

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o31/hassan1024/notThisShitAgain.gif

[Greenhat]

Really has a T-Rock feel...

[rgrjoe175]

Now couple that with the tendency of Muslims to view themselves as infinitely superior to non-Muslims

Yup... just as Christians view themselves as infinitely superior to non-Christians......

[Massgrunt]

I love how that dude T-Rock has become short hand for this kind of bullshit. :biggrin:

[nofear]

Yup... just as Christians view themselves as infinitely superior to non-Christians......

To the extent that we (Christians), welcome non-christians into our nations and allow them to practicse their own non-christian religions, and pay them, house them, and provide them with free lawyers to fight us in court. :redface:

At least the general Christian population has grown out of the "kill everyone else" stage. Mostly....(Yes, I know / believe / hope most Islamic followers are the same)

[BackInTheDay]

Keep making jokes. Just keep making them. Lets all continue to ignore this, make fun of people that bring it up and just pretend that everything is fine.

Its not like cab drivers are plotting to kill us, or myspace punks are planning to blow up downtown Dallas....nope no sir. They have no agenda whatsoever......

[ET1/ss nuke]

At least the general Christian population has grown out of the "kill everyone else" stage.

Count me out. I still think a war without nuclear weapons is a war you aren't really trying hard enough to win.

[Steve83]

Count me out. I still think a war without nuclear weapons is a war you aren't really trying hard enough to win.

That was nicely put. SIG LINE!

On the topic, it is only a matter of time before pointing out simple facts like this becomes racist.

Unless, it already is racist and I haven't gotten the memo yet...

[Armageddon]

To the extent that we (Christians), welcome non-christians into our nations and allow them to practicse their own non-christian religions, and pay them, house them, and provide them with free lawyers to fight us in court.

That's a fucking BIG difference IMHO.... as well as the fact that we don't think ourselves men superior to women, and are not allowed to beat them...

[Bravo Five Romeo]

To the extent that we (Christians), welcome non-christians into our nations and allow them to practicse their own non-christian religions, and pay them, house them, and provide them with free lawyers to fight us in court. It is our laws that allow religious freedom and welcome people of all faiths.
Many conservative Christians, however, do not welcome non-Christians into our nation.
A perfect example is the video made by a Christian group that this thread links, warning against Muslim immigration and referring to it as a call to action and calling on believers to spread the gospel.

[BOFH]

Should we, as civilized people, be wary of a group of stone-aged religious fanatics, breeding at an alarming rate? Yes. Should "we," as Christians, spend one single second worrying about the Muslim population? Fuck that noise. I'm pretty sure your Bible has some outline on how things go down, right? So then, if everything is pre-ordained, why the fuck are you worried?

All that aside, Christians=people with completely unfounded faith in an unseen creator, the existence of which we have NO evidence to support. Muslims=people with completely unfounded faith in an unseen creator, the existence of which we have NO evidence to support. Both of these groups routinely display completely irrational behavior, and have demonstrated willingness to die for their faith. Personally, I'm not comfortable with EITHER group breeding at a rapid pace.


Yes, I'm going to Hell.

[M.Pen]

It is our laws that allow religious freedom and welcome people of all faiths.
Many conservative Christians, however, do not welcome non-Christians into our nation.
A perfect example is the video made by a Christian group that this thread links, warning against Muslim immigration and referring to it as a call to action and calling on believers to spread the gospel.

I think Christian fundamentalism is just as revolting as Muslim or Hindu etc. But it's true that liberal policies have allowed the Muslim population to segregate themselves from the rest of the population while receiving housing and other benefits from the host population many of them despise. That has already caused major problems all across Europe and it'll only get worse. The answer is certainly not to ban Islam or any other faith. But simply to stop the handouts. And to abandon the multicultural pretence that all cultures are equal as well as making it clear, that they must agree to live according to the laws and customs of western secular democracy. If european countries took such a stance, i believe that not only would it please non-Muslims but moderate Muslims as well.

[BOFH]

[QUOTE=M.Pen;1206961]What you said...QUOTE]

I can agree with most of that...except that I don't care who it pleases.

[MakoZeroSix]

All that aside, Christians=people with completely unfounded faith in an unseen creator, the existence of which we have NO evidence to support. Muslims=people with completely unfounded faith in an unseen creator, the existence of which we have NO evidence to support. Both of these groups routinely display completely irrational behavior, and have demonstrated willingness to die for their faith. Personally, I'm not comfortable with EITHER group breeding at a rapid pace.

Well, I don't think the problems lie in the fact that people believe in an "unseen creator". I think there is evidence to suggest that such an entity exists; merely the fact that physical reality exists at all is evidence to me in a creator, not to mention the incredible complexity of the reality that we experience.

The problem is that people make wild assumptions about the unseen creator, and assign to this omnipotent being degenerate human qualities, like anger, jealousy, intolerance, ect. By the time they're done, God seems more like a petulant 5 year old with an ant farm than the creator of the universe. I think that's what turns a lot of people off to religion.

Unfortunately, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all come from the same little patch of wretched desert, invented by an ill tempered and barbarous culture centuries ago. Is there any surprise that there is so much infighting between them? That's all those people know how to do. Better off if the civilized cultures of the West went back to the religions of our ancestors that were taken from us at the point of a Roman gladius, or came up with something new.

[M.Pen]

Well, I don't think the problems lie in the fact that people believe in an "unseen creator". I think there is evidence to suggest that such an entity exists; merely the fact that physical reality exists at all is evidence to me in a creator, not to mention the incredible complexity of the reality that we experience.

The problem is that people make wild assumptions about the unseen creator, and assign to this omnipotent being degenerate human qualities, like anger, jealousy, intolerance, ect. By the time they're done, God seems more like a petulant 5 year old with an ant farm than the creator of the universe. I think that's what turns a lot of people off to religion.

Unfortunately, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism all come from the same little patch of wretched desert, invented by an ill tempered and barbarous culture centuries ago. Is there any surprise that there is so much infighting between them? That's all those people know how to do. Better off if the civilized cultures of the West went back to the religions of our ancestors that were taken from us at the point of a Roman gladius, or came up with something new.

Well, looking back at pre-Christian world, it wasn't a noticeably more tolerant place than the post-Christian world . The perjudices were simply (mostly) along different lines. so the options i think are to not believe, or come up with something new. I personally believe there IS something out there.

But just look at the controversy surrounding String Theory. Some of the brightest minds on the planet have developed that approach to understanding the nature of the universe. Yet there are equally bright people who say, that the theory's supporters make too wide ranging claims and some say that it's not even sure, if String Theory is developed enough to have the right to be called a theory! So only one thing's for certain: The Universe is fucking hard to decipher.

Therefore i'm very sceptical of anyone, who claims that they have done it, especially some uneducated nomads a thousand, two thousand, whatever time ago.

[BOFH]

So only one thing's for certain: The Universe is fucking hard to decipher.

Times a million!



As an aside, I happen to believe in some form of higher power, but I don't think that belief should EVER have ANYTHING to do with my conduct on this planet. I don't need or want some invisible "boogeyman," to make me do the right thing.

[19MIKE]

I don't need or want some invisible "boogeyman," to make me do the right thing.

Yeah but Karma is a bitch!:smile:

[BOFH]

Meh...as stated, Muslims are crazy followers of a stone-age religion...much like the OTHER dominant religion on the planet. As I said before, if the Bible has a rough outline of how things are gonna go, why are you so worried about it? You know what's going to happen, and you can't do anything about it. As an aside, at the end of the book, the "good guys," win. Sorry if I spoiled it for you.

[M.Pen]

Times a million!



As an aside, I happen to believe in some form of higher power, but I don't think that belief should EVER have ANYTHING to do with my conduct on this planet. I don't need or want some invisible "boogeyman," to make me do the right thing.

Ditto. However most believers, who want to do the right thing, want to do it BECAUSE it's the right thing to do. Not because God(/s) would strike them down otherwise. It would be ridiculous to assert that the only thing keeping ALL believers from committing heinous acts is the fear of divine punishment. Ofcourse for some believers it IS the only thing, some believers commit heinous acts anyway and for some the fear of divine punishment is WHY they do horrible things.