Mafia Killing caught on camera

[Local]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/6462608/Mafia-killing-in-Italy-caught-on-camera.html

The video is pretty chilling. The guy clearly id's his target, walks into the (gambiling?) joint, then on the way out puts his gun to the guys back and pulls the trigger, then bends down and puts another one in his head and calmly walks away.

You always hear "true crime" stories about hitmen, cold blooded killers, but its a little crazy to me to see it all go down like this.

is it really still possible to make ones living as a "hitman" ?

[KidA]

is it really still possible to make ones living as a "hitman" ?

Define "living" :biggrin:

[Psi Brr]

is it really still possible to make ones living as a "hitman" ?That's a bit of a naive question. If the Cosa Nostra exists (and it does), hitmen exist, period. Not having experienced anything like this, I would still expect if there's going to be a premeditated killing, it's not going to be preceded by some 5 minute, Dr. No dialog whilst the quarry lies strapped to a table watching the pendulum swing; it'll be quick and thorough.

[Local]

people like this guy: http://www.amazon.com/Joey-Hitman-Autobiography-Adrenaline-Classics/dp/1560253932

"Joey" (if his book is to be believed) did 38 hits for the mob. He supplemented his income with other rackets but managed to survive, provide, and avoid arrest when his primary job was killing people.

Richard "the ice man" karplinsky did tons of hits, only getting caught late in life. Murder inc, under Roy existed for a long time.

I always thought with the advances in criminology that you might get away with a few hits, but the odds were so stacked against you that these kinds of people, that make it their life work to do hits, just don't really exist anymore in a professional capacity

[Local]

Nothing personal Local, but that's a pretty naive question. If the Cosa Nostra exists, hitmen exist, period.

sure there are people that will do jobs, but I was more asking if there were people around (currently) that still made it their lifes work and managed to be good enough to practice their "trade" internationally without being captured for any length of time.

I guess I'm imagining more of a "carlos the jackel" - the bruce willis character, not the real terrorist.

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[Psi Brr]

sure there are people that will do jobs, but I was more asking if there were people around (currently) that still made it their lifes work and managed to be good enough to practice their "trade" internationally without being captured for any length of time.

I guess I'm imagining more of a "carlos the jackel" - the bruce willis character, not the real terrorist.Ahhh. Gotcha.

[MixedLoad]

I doubt that there area whole lot of "secret assassins" out there who get called a la "Cleaner".

Most assassinations will be conducted by low-level guys that you can afford to lose. As they move up in their world they stop doing the work and get others to do it for them. Gang bangers, bikers etc are great for that kind of stuff.

Would be interesting though to hear some of our LEO's who've dealt with a lot of RICO stuff to speak up on it.

One guy who does come up though in recent memory was I believe working for the Gulf Cartel in Mexico and disposed of bodies for them. He earned himself the nickname "The Stewmaker" since he disposed of the bodies in some sort of liquid. Maybe stripper of some kind. I think he got busted a year or two ago and was credited with disposing of a few hundred cartel hit victims.

[Local]

Mr Saviano, whose book Gomorrah earned him death threats from the mafia which means he has had to live under police escort for the last three years, said the killer's ice-cold composure marked him out as a professional hit man.

low level guys with nothing to lose makes a lot more sense than the sensationalism the article espouses... just making sure my bullshit detector was still working.

[KidA]

I guess I'm imagining more of a "carlos the jackel" - the bruce willis character, not the real terrorist.


If they're real good then you don't even know the target was assassinated.

Think heart attacks and car wrecks, not asploding heads.

Food for thought.

pretty good assassin flick is "The Mechanic" with Charles Bronson.

[MixedLoad]

low level guys with nothing to lose makes a lot more sense than the sensationalism the article espouses... just making sure my bullshit detector was still working.

Roberto Saviano does in fact live in safe houses and under police protection. The Mafia is still very much alive and bloody as ever and it's nothing like the "Soprano's" and all the other romanticized tales we see on TV and in the movies.

Google "Toto Riina" and enjoy hours of reading if you're interested in that kind of stuff.

[5831lvn]

I was working the midnite shift at a Fed. pen...the book I was reading detailed a "NY Crew" whose main hitman was housed in the unit I was working...He saw the book one morn., looked at me and said..."Mr. L., you know you can't believe things you read"....

The guy was right out of central casting if you called and said "I need a guy to play a mafia hitman"

[Local]

Roberto Saviano does in fact live in safe houses and under police protection. The Mafia is still very much alive and bloody as ever and it's nothing like the "Soprano's" and all the other romanticized tales we see on TV and in the movies.

Google "Toto Riina" and enjoy hours of reading if you're interested in that kind of stuff.

Not saying the guy was bullshitting about being in danger, more so about the whole "professional assassin" thing... re my earlier comments about bruce willis type characters - or the 'international evil cable of hitmen' type idea.

Anyone who thinks the mob isn't dangerous or still active should go start throwing bricks at cars in the north end, or throw beer bottles at the 'old guys' that sit in front of the school on haymarket street on warm summer nights.

and thats just boston.

[5831lvn]

people like this guy: http://www.amazon.com/Joey-Hitman-Au.../dp/1560253932


Damn, knew the guy in the link too...."The Underboss"

[KidA]

more so about the whole "professional assassin" thing...


I think there are two different categories of hitmen or assassins. Well maybe more than two, but you can lump together:

1: Mafia style or drug-lord hitmen: In your face shootings to send a message to others. Way out in the open, bullet to the grape or car blows up. No intent to hide that's the way/reason they died.

2: Assassin-Assassins: corporate/political level. Don't know who was behind it or who perpetrated it. Again, if they're good you don't know why the guy was dead and it appears natural or a complete accident.

[Blackjack78]

I know and have met, dealt with, many a "Mafia Hitman". To them it's just business.

[MixedLoad]

I know and have met, dealt with, many a "Mafia Hitman". To them it's just business.

Would you mind, if you had the time, to expound on some of that statement with your personal experiences?

[poison]

One guy who does come up though in recent memory was I believe working for the Gulf Cartel in Mexico and disposed of bodies for them. He earned himself the nickname "The Stewmaker" since he disposed of the bodies in some sort of liquid. Maybe stripper of some kind. I think he got busted a year or two ago and was credited with disposing of a few hundred cartel hit victims.

Killer story, there (pun intended). That guy was a machine.

[1026]

Many are guys selected to do the "job" because they are trusted by the victim and can more easily approach him without suspicion. Others are associates hoping to get "made". John Gotti was "made" after killing James McBratney, the alleged kidnapper of Carlo Gambino's nephew. Still others are serial murderers (Roy DeMeo) operating under mob sanction.

[Blackjack78]

Would you mind, if you had the time, to expound on some of that statement with your personal experiences?

Sure, I grew up in a section of Brooklyn where you became a cop, fireman, sanitation worker or a wise guy. I was more afraid of my father then I was of the wise guys so I was able to walk the straight and narrow and became a cop. I used to drink in a bar called the Gemini Lounge, a crew of wise guys used to cut up bodies in the back. Of course we didn’t know that at the time. Google Roy Demeo, the Gemini Twins or Gemini Lounge
Professionally, when I was a young cop, I worked South Brooklyn. The area I worked was full of numbers spots, social clubs and funeral parlors that had no funerals. Over the years of interaction with these types there becomes a mutual understanding. It’s almost necessary in order to do the job. Don’t f&^K with the Police and I won’t sit in front of your numbers spot. In became a game, they at times had to save face in the streets and you had to do the same or you couldn’t do the job. In those days, you had a knock down drag out fight with them or you arrested them. We wouldn’t do both. It was the unwritten law of the street. I’m not saying it was right but it is what it was.

When I was with the Intelligence Division/Organized Crime unit we had the Colombo wars. It was during this time that I was able to talk with many wise guys. Part of the duties was to sit on witnesses etc. I would ask them straight out about whacking dudes. You have to remember, it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove. In order to gain a reputation for being a straight shooter you have to be firm but fair. To listen to a wise guy talk they speak their own language and it goes around in circles so you can get a message w/o them telling you it. You got information and figured out how to get it a more legit way. When you tell a dude it’s off the record, it is. It gives you credibility. In almost every instance in my experience, the reason the victim got clipped was over money or the victim was going to talk. That’s not to say that some didn’t enjoy it. Look up Tommy karate Pitera(sp).


I don't know if I explained myself well, if not, I'll try again.

[5831lvn]

Blackjack....Then you knew the guy I was talking abt to begin with.....henry

[Blackjack78]

Blackjack....Then you knew the guy I was talking abt to begin with.....henry

I knew the Testa's, Demeo, Sammy the Bull, Gentlemen Jimmy Burke, followed Gotti for a bit, Tommy Karate. Henry Hill? I didn't know him. Tommy Manfre and Frenchy McMahon were whacked on my cnr.

[Vincent]

Blackjack78 Post

Wow, that post brings me back. I used to go fishing at Canarsie Pier, hang out at my family's lot in the terminal market, hold my nose driving past Fountain Avenue dump and Starrett City.

My cousins went to school with the Senter kids. Did you know Freddy DiNome? My mother threw him down a flight of stairs once.

Funny. Neighborhood's a different place now.

[5831lvn]

I knew the Testa's, Demeo, Sammy the Bull, Gentlemen Jimmy Burke, followed Gotti for a bit, Tommy Karate. Henry Hill? I didn't know him. Tommy Manfre and Frenchy McMahon were whacked on my cnr.,

Borelli..Yeah knew Henry Hill, John Stanfa (out of philly),...Jimmy Coogan..he was with the westies out of Boston

[Blackjack78]

Wow, that post brings me back. I used to go fishing at Canarsie Pier, hang out at my family's lot in the terminal market, hold my nose driving past Fountain Avenue dump and Starrett City.

My cousins went to school with the Senter kids. Did you know Freddy DiNome? My mother threw him down a flight of stairs once.

Funny. Neighborhood's a different place now.

Hell, who didn't race on Fountain Ave. Yeah Senter and Testa some crew. Years later I was assigned to the 69Pct Detective Squad and handled Patty Testa's homicide. The name sounds familiar. The Terminal market was full of the wiseguys. They had great cheeses though lol and pickles. You wouldn't recognize Canarsie now.

[Local]

This thread got infinitely more interesting than when I started it.

[Blackjack78]

,

Borelli..Yeah knew Henry Hill, John Stanfa (out of philly),...Jimmy Coogan..he was with the westies out of Boston

Borelli is familiar but can't recall 1st name. The Westies from the westside and the whitehorse tavern my old Intell sqd did. Mickey Featherstone. TJ English wrote the book "The Westies" my former co-workers are prominently noted in the book. Coogan was a southie wasn't he?

[5831lvn]

Borelli is familiar but can't recall 1st name. The Westies from the westside and the whitehorse tavern my old Intell sqd did. Mickey Featherstone. TJ English wrote the book "The Westies" my former co-workers are prominently noted in the book. Coogan was a southie wasn't he?

Henry Borelli was a trigger man for that crew, he could pull a trigger, but his stomache wasn't strong enough to cut the body up afterward...Hmm..I thought Coogan was a Westie...could be old age catching up

[Blackjack78]

Henry Borelli was a trigger man for that crew, he could pull a trigger, but his stomache wasn't strong enough to cut the body up afterward...Hmm..I thought Coogan was a Westie...could be old age catching up

My old mind is telling me it's Jimmy Coonan. Whatever lol

[5831lvn]

My old mind is telling me it's Jimmy Coonan. Whatever lol

lol, you might be right...too many yrs...too many convicts

[Spinner]

Look up Tommy karate Pitera(sp).

I just checked out a book on Pietra, written by the same guy who grew up with and wrote a book detailing the rise and fall of Anthony "Gaspipe" Casso. Who knows what makes these guys tick?

They're all in the same category as Tony Spilotro and Sam "Mad Sam" DeStefano from Chicago, both deceased. It's said that DeStefano put money on the street in the hopes that the person wouldn't repay him, so he could bring him to the torture chamber he had constructed in the basement of his house.

It was soundproofed, and he'd take care of business even while his wife and young children were home.

As I've always understood it, it's rare that the outfit pays somebody to perform a murder. It's part of their life, and if somebody gets tapped to kill somebody, they just do it. And if they fuck it up, they're the ones who wind up riding in a trunk, as in the case of a Cook County deputy and one of his associates who screwed up the hit of a bookmaker by the name of Ken Eto back in the 80s.

[JDAM]

That’s not to say that some didn’t enjoy it. Look up Tommy karate Pitera(sp).

That's one sick puppy right there...

[tnkspe119]

The book is titled "The Ice Man", IIRC. Its about Richard Kuklinski(sp?) who was a contract killer for the mob in NY/NJ...chilling shit. This guy was into killing folks in really creative ways.

[EchoFiveMike]

As I've always understood it, it's rare that the outfit pays somebody to perform a murder. It's part of their life, and if somebody gets tapped to kill somebody, they just do it. And if they fuck it up, they're the ones who wind up riding in a trunk, as in the case of a Cook County deputy and one of his associates who screwed up the hit of a bookmaker by the name of Ken Eto back in the 80s.

Some shithead screwed up a hit down the street from me. He was supposed to off some lowlife druggie who owed some gambling debts. But he hit the guy across the street who was a local paragon. Boy scouts, little league coach, active in the community, real upstanding citizen type. Everybody was puzzled wondering what secret filth the guy was into and then it come out that his neighbor was a mob affiliated shithead and it all made sense.

I'm sure the fuck up shooter is on the bottom of Lake Michigan or maybe the Cal-Sag canal. S/F....Ken M

[Massgrunt]

The book is titled "The Ice Man", IIRC. Its about Richard Kuklinski(sp?) who was a contract killer for the mob in NY/NJ...chilling shit. This guy was into killing folks in really creative ways.

I think there's been a lot of speculation that Kuklinski made up a bunch of shit too.

[19MIKE]

Blackjack....

.....just wondering if you had ever heard off/worked with an acquaintance of mine. He's retired now, moved out here after 9/11. He was a 17 yr homicide detective in New York...but also worked the Russian mob unit.

Told me that they (Russians) are "mean bastards". For this guy to say that seys something about those individuals.

I believe that he was Marine Force Recon in Nam. Wounded. Decorated.

Last name is Novotni. First name Bob

[billdawg]

Sure, I grew up in a section of Brooklyn where you became a cop, fireman, sanitation worker or a wise guy. I was more afraid of my father then I was of the wise guys so I was able to walk the straight and narrow and became a cop. I used to drink in a bar called the Gemini Lounge, a crew of wise guys used to cut up bodies in the back. Of course we didn’t know that at the time. Google Roy Demeo, the Gemini Twins or Gemini Lounge
Professionally, when I was a young cop, I worked South Brooklyn. The area I worked was full of numbers spots, social clubs and funeral parlors that had no funerals. Over the years of interaction with these types there becomes a mutual understanding. It’s almost necessary in order to do the job. Don’t f&^K with the Police and I won’t sit in front of your numbers spot. In became a game, they at times had to save face in the streets and you had to do the same or you couldn’t do the job. In those days, you had a knock down drag out fight with them or you arrested them. We wouldn’t do both. It was the unwritten law of the street. I’m not saying it was right but it is what it was.

When I was with the Intelligence Division/Organized Crime unit we had the Colombo wars. It was during this time that I was able to talk with many wise guys. Part of the duties was to sit on witnesses etc. I would ask them straight out about whacking dudes. You have to remember, it’s not what you know it’s what you can prove. In order to gain a reputation for being a straight shooter you have to be firm but fair. To listen to a wise guy talk they speak their own language and it goes around in circles so you can get a message w/o them telling you it. You got information and figured out how to get it a more legit way. When you tell a dude it’s off the record, it is. It gives you credibility. In almost every instance in my experience, the reason the victim got clipped was over money or the victim was going to talk. That’s not to say that some didn’t enjoy it. Look up Tommy karate Pitera(sp).


I don't know if I explained myself well, if not, I'll try again.

Outstanding. Very interesting. I wish I could sit down for an afternoon with you and buy you drinks and listen to your stories. Uh, but, it wouldn't be at the Gemini Lounge, no offense,lol.

[Blackjack78]

Blackjack....

.....just wondering if you had ever heard off/worked with an acquaintance of mine. He's retired now, moved out here after 9/11. He was a 17 yr homicide detective in New York...but also worked the Russian mob unit.

Told me that they (Russians) are "mean bastards". For this guy to say that seys something about those individuals.

I believe that he was Marine Force Recon in Nam. Wounded. Decorated.

Last name is Novotni. First name Bob

19Mike,

Sorry don't know him. The Russians are bad as are the Albanians. When I worked non-traditional organized crime I did the Colombian cartels and the Jamaican Posse's Lot of fun :).

[Blackjack78]

Outstanding. Very interesting. I wish I could sit down for an afternoon with you and buy you drinks and listen to your stories. Uh, but, it wouldn't be at the Gemini Lounge, no offense,lol.
Last I saw the Gemini it was a store front church lol go figure.

[Spinner]

I remember having a mild interest in the whole underworld scene when I read the Valachi Papers in 6th grade.

It wasn't until Sam Giancana was killed in his basement in 1975 that I started studying the history of the outfit in its various forms in the US.

All those years visiting my grandparents in Oak Park, I had no idea that Giancana had moved in less than a block away.

[Lagnaippe]

Speaking of mob history, I recently finished a book entitiled, "Paddy Whacked The Untold Story of the Irish American Gangster" by the same guy who wrote "The Westies," T.J. English. It was a really fascinating account of the growth of the Irish mob in many of the country's large cities. Very interesting, especially if you're Irish.

[Spinner]

I'm sure the fuck up shooter is on the bottom of Lake Michigan or maybe the Cal-Sag canal. S/F....Ken M

The way things are these days, he might have gotten a promotion.

My uncle and his family lived for many years in Elmwood Park before moving further out near us. Along with a couple of the nicer addresses in Oak Brook and River Forest where the top guys lived, there were a lot of the rank and file living in Elmwood Park back then.

I've met a few of the younger generation, the sons and nephews of a lot of those guys. At the same time, you've got a guy like Accardo who pretty much stayed out of the limelight, and his grandson went on to play college football and even spent a couple of years with the Bears.

You're always running into them, even when you don't realize it.