Why Are Canada's Military So Full Of Themselves ?

[BWO1]

I am Canadian , but still am wondering why Canadas Armed Forceses are so full of themselves ? Mostly Navy and people in the militia ? I mean compared to the Americans who actually fight what do we do ? Peacekeep? I mean and this thing that Canadians are the best trained ? can someone explain this to me please . I mean really our military is a farce so let's just admit it and stop being jealous of the USA

[garett]

You're an idiot. Go tell that shit to dead soldiers' mothers who have died fighting on "peacekeeping missions".

[garett]

Do you realise that your ICQ nickname is Rouge Warrior. Are you trying to suggest something by that?

[Cole]

"Rouge Warrior" whats your problem, can't get into the "Forceses" cause you can't spell, or they just don't offer courses in "Basic Make-up Application" in the Revlon Brigade. Go over to the Texas website if you want to bash the Forces.

[BWO1]

Hey pal my uncle died in battle okay ? And Im not an idiot our military is a farce I am so sick of seeing blue berets I could puke , We try to be so godamn political correct it makes me sick there was even a guy who is in the P L F here in Halifax who made a statement that they proved to be better the Rangers in Gagetown our militia better than Rangers? And I have many people who were there when this statement was made .
If we want to peacekeep let's just become part of the Red Cross and keep peace that way okay ? Peacekeeping nation define that please
better trained define that please ?

[Disturbance]

I personally think peacekeeping missions are one of the best ways to get experience while in a Peace time role.

Yes our government may be all about PR and PC but that still doesnt mean our soldiers arent top notch. Yes we dont have the money or the manpower but we got it where it counts and thats in actual soldiering ability. Being a professional is more than how much hightech kit you have.

-Disturbance
"It's a question of mind over matter, I don't mind and you don't fucking matter"

[BWO1]

Its like the R C M P another laugh there worse than our military . Jeez they don't make arrests they just community police . And our Customs officers are the biggest joke on the planet of all though thank goodness for the USA so Canadians can sleep safe at night .

[Enfield]

Last time I checked Bosnia, Kosovo, East Timor, or Somalia weren't big jokes for boy scouts to play in.
And where the hell do you see blue berets? You living in Baja Luka? Ok, so you with - beyond your make-up experience - no experience in the any military see fit to pass judgement on soldiers that have proved time and again that they have more balls than you can dream of.
Exactly which part of PK is a farce? When you get shot at? When your digging up mass graves? When you spend 6 months away from your family? Please, oh great warrior, enlighten us.

Enfield

Enfield

[This message has been edited by Enfield (edited 12-28-2000).]

[BWO1]

Enfield I see blue berets all the time is that not the UN color go to armoury in Halifax thats all you see . Second if you don't like spending 6 months from family , getting shot at and finding mass graves why did you join military ? is that not your job part of your job ?

[JStarz]

Right on Enfield


But FYI, I think the place you mentioned is Banja Luca, somewhere in the FRY, right?

[This message has been edited by JStarz (edited 12-28-2000).]

[garett]

Blue Berets are probably air force. I think if you're going to bash the military you should actually look into your arguments. You're exactly whats wrong with the Canadian public. I bet you believe everything you see on TV and hear on the radio. Why do you come here to this board to say bad things about the military. Why don't you start your own forum category, call it BITCHNET. From reading your posts it seems to me that you've got a problem with pretty well everyone that wears a uniform. I got a suggestion for you...why don't you move to an island where there will be no police officers to protect you, no fire fighters to pull your ass out of a fire, no para-medics to save your life, no customs officers because no one if going to want to live on the island with you because you're fucking annoying, and thank God no members of the Canadian Armed Forces.

[Enfield]

JStarz - yeah, that's the place. Sorry, I mis-typed it.

Rouge-Warrior- I was in the PLF amd spent a lot of time (far more than you) in the Armouries. The only blue berets I ever saw there were at a parade that was held a few years ago while I was enlisting. And even then, only a half dozen guys wore them.

And yes, spending 6 months away from home and all that IS part of being a soldier (or sailor, air person) - because that's what the CF DOES. It is not a joke, it is not a farce - they give you real training, and when you go to use that training those are real Cypriots/Somalis/Rwandans/Serbs/50 other nationalities with real weapons in front of you. So again, exactly which part of this is the farce?

PK is a primary duty of the CF becuase that's the way Cdn. foreign policy works. The US has different priorities and a different attitude, and this results in a different military and different wars.

Ok, let's try this line of reasoning.. Was Vimy, the Somme, and WW1 a "farce"? no? Ok. Was Dieppe, Ortona, or North West Europe a playground? No? Ok, we'll keep going forward.
Was Korea a vacation spot for incompetent soldiers?I doubt it.
We had a battle group on central europe for the Cold War - is squaring off against the Red Army a job for fools and lazy civilians? again, I wasn't there, but it's safe to say it wasn't...
And the oft-quoted 50 years of peacekeeping/peacemaking, in which hundreds of soldiers (150?) which lead up to our present CF. I doubt the enemy we killed in ex-Yugo thought the CF was a joke. Oh, and the bombs we dropped on Serbia, the naval blockade of Iraq, and a few domestic disasters.
So exactly where along the line did the CF become a "farce"?


I can't believe I typed this much to revlon warrior.
Enfield

[jinX]

Methinks BWO1 has spent too much time watching Navy SEALs and hanging out on NAVNET. If you think the CAF sucks, why don't you just leave Canada and go join the USN (or US Army or Marine Corps or Air Force or whatever). If I were you, I wouldn't come here to bitch.

[justagrunt]

Originally posted by jinX:
Methinks BWO1 has spent too much time watching Navy SEALs and hanging out on NAVNET. If you think the CAF sucks, why don't you just leave Canada and go join the USN (or US Army or Marine Corps or Air Force or whatever). If I were you, I wouldn't come here to bitch.

You can keep him...



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Can I get a "HooAh" from the Congregation?!?!

[BWO1]

Lazy civilians ? This is so funny it's made my day . Thanks that one comment has proved me correct that the whole bunch of ya are all brain washed .

[BWO1]

This is my final post , Im sure everyone will miss me but my work here is done I tried to have a debate with some real soilders but there ain't any in here . So keep taking your protein pills and keep your helmets on and keep us all safe up here in Canada . You brave fighting men that you all are oh and ps I have to go protest the W T O

Global Govt = TYRANT

[Disturbance]

Well your leaving cause you realized you chose to fight the wrong argument. You came in here all hooah and got tooled on by all of us you think you are getting the last word in but you know you are going to keep coming back to see what we type next. See we are the ones providing you with valid facts and arguments and you ar the one getting in a big hissy fit and crying to your mother for help. I dont think anyone would care either if you never came back.

-Disturbance

[Cole]

BWO1 I finally figured it out. Your just mad at the RCMP because they maced your protest buddies and mad at our Customs agents because they constantly stop your extremely LARGE shipments of makeup that you try to get shipped in.
As for the Canadian Forces? Maybe your just mad because they have no room for make-up wearing, pot smoking, lazy protesters with nothing better to do then live off this system which you so bitterly criticize.
As for the intelligent debate you come looking for from "brain-washed soldiers." We are prepared to provide it...once you learn the basics of punctuation and grammer you twit....

[BWO1]

Okay , okay you guys are the reason that I go have a shit when " Oh Canada " is played stars and stripes forever .

A)What recent WAR has Canadian ground troops
been involved with since Korea ? And I do not mean peacekeeping or killing unarmed black kid's

B)Why is it everytime the fucking military is sent to some fucking 3 world country do we have to see all these fucking miltary wifes crying on T V ? Isn't that there husbands job did they not realize that when they married ?

C)Who really cares about peacekeeping anyways your Canadians not members of the fucking no good U N and can someone tell me what the U N
is good for ?

So far the U S has ACTED in Grenada , Gulf ,
Kosovo , just to name a few and Somalia where were you guys then? when there was REAL COMBAT not watching from some fucking U N TOWER or hiding in some fucking bunker I mean really guys your soilders right ?
But hey the best mission yet was the snow removal of Toronto it must of sucked to have to have worked like real people for once .

But when there is a coward drunk Genral who watched Belgium troops get killed what do you expect from a bunch of weekend warriors who think the whole country owe them something !

[Cole]

IGNORE
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[VENOM]

I'm sorry to hear what you say BWO1. I feel like you are pissing over the graves of all the soldiers who died for giving you the freedom of speech that you have today!

It looks like you taking everything you see in the media for granted. I don't blame you are not the only in Canada who does the same thing. But remember this: You will always see the bad things in the media like the killing of the black kid or whatever. In the media, you will never see the schools being rebuilt or democraty restored around the world because peacekeeping missions. Go tell the people that our CF helped everything you say on this board face to face. Your life will be changed and the causes you are fighting for now too.

Je me souviens...



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VENOM

[Jeff Rambo]

Originally posted by BWO1:
Okay , okay you guys are the reason that I go have a shit when " Oh Canada " is played stars and stripes forever .

A)What recent WAR has Canadian ground troops
been involved with since Korea ? And I do not mean peacekeeping or killing unarmed black kid's

B)Why is it everytime the fucking military is sent to some fucking 3 world country do we have to see all these fucking miltary wifes crying on T V ? Isn't that there husbands job did they not realize that when they married ?

C)Who really cares about peacekeeping anyways your Canadians not members of the fucking no good U N and can someone tell me what the U N
is good for ?

So far the U S has ACTED in Grenada , Gulf ,
Kosovo , just to name a few and Somalia where were you guys then? when there was REAL COMBAT not watching from some fucking U N TOWER or hiding in some fucking bunker I mean really guys your soilders right ?
But hey the best mission yet was the snow removal of Toronto it must of sucked to have to have worked like real people for once .

But when there is a coward drunk Genral who watched Belgium troops get killed what do you expect from a bunch of weekend warriors who think the whole country owe them something !




You're surely the dumbest and most ignorant son of another idiot that I've ever ran across in my life. Get a clue or two ... or three for the matter.

Going back to where I belong now.

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Sincerely,
Jeff A. Rambo
NBTNDT
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Disrespect cannot be commanded, it must be earned.

[BWO1]

Venom , Im not trying to disrespect our vets at all by no means . I have the up most respect for our vets of WW1-WW2 and Korea and Nam and your correct it's because of them that I can say what I feel and live well kinda free but they did not die for this country to be the way it is today . Our country is a dam joke really and I have all kinds of friends in the military who agree but when your trying to do a fucking simple SAR tasking who want's to have some 18 year old fucking PLF cadet telling us all how good he is compared to the fucking U S rangers ? I mean I have cousins in the U S and these litte pricks were trying to tell us how fucking great they are compared to the Special Forces ? This just made me sick and I came out here to vent . And I met the same shit only much worse . And most of these people arent even in the fucking CAF I have done more for this fucking no good country than the whole fucking works of them and do you hear me out here saying that the nation owes me something one asshole even said lazy civilian ? I mean thats the thinking of our armed forces and its a fucking farce .

[BWO1]

Originally posted by Jeff Rambo:
You're surely the dumbest and most ignorant son of another idiot that I've ever ran across in my life. Get a clue or two ... or three for the matter.

Going back to where I belong now.

[towhey]

Obviously, BWO1 is here to provoke an argument and will say anything just to prompt a response. He doesn't deserve a response.

If he did, it would be easy to point out how ignorant he is.

It would be easy to point out that Canadian Forces have been involved in shooting wars in Cyprus, Croatia, Bosnia, Somalia and Kosovo.

It would be easy to point out that Canadian Forces fought alongside U.S. Forces in many of these places.

It would be easy to point out that the U.S. Army brought Canadian experts down to teach them how to operate in non-traditional conflicts before they deployed in the Balkans.

It would be easy to point out that 100% of the "crying wives" seen on U.S. television networks are wives of American servicemen. They're people too. And, like Canadian spouses, they're shit scared of what might happen to their loved ones because some bleeding heart like BWO1 has convinced the government they must do something.

It would be easy to point out that his oft-quoted Korean War was, in fact, a UN operation.

It would be easy to point out that the UN is not an organization that exists apart from its members. That the UN does not have a military, but instead relies on the forces of member nations. That the Canadian Forces have carried a far greater proportion of UN military operations (peacekeeping and other) than the U.S.

It would be easy to point out that the U.S. owes more money to the UN than any other nation on Earth and that they use their delinquency as a lever to influence UN decisionmaking.

It would be easy to point out that the U.S. actively encourages and cajoles Canada and other lesser powers to take up arms for the UN so the U.S. doesn't have to. And they're right to do so -- the U.S. is the only remaining superpower and the politics of force mean they cannot but fuck up the situation when they get involved.

It would be easy to point out the BWO1, like most Canadians, has bought hook, line and sinker into the "myth of peacekeeping." That he believes peacekeeping, even the oft-quoted traditional "Cyprus style" peacekeeping is about being well mannered and observant -- when it's really about being the toughest son of a bitch on the block.

It would be easy to point out that even in Cyprus, Canadians routinely deployed company sized forces, backed with mechanized elements on armed raids.

It would be easy to point out that the U.S. Rangers and Delta Force were bushwacked in Somalia -- and the Canadians weren't.

It would be easy to point out that Canadian fighter jets and naval forces played a disproportionately large role in the Gulf War and Kosovo.

It would be easy to point out that Canadian ground troops were involved in an all-out, multi-day defensive battle in Croatia that no Canadians even know about.

It would be easy to point out that while Canadian Forces were deployed to a staging area in Toronto during the snow storm, none were actually deployed to remove snow. Some reservists used their own initiative to help out locally, and some CF armoured vehicles were used to transport civilian paramedics and casualties where ambulances could not manoeuvre.

It would be easy to point out how much simpler it might have been to stem a genocide in Rwanda if the magnificent U.S. had sent in a couple of their myriad divisions, or at least offered to pay up some of the billions of dollars they're behind in their peacekeeping dues so the U.N. could equip and arm the small forces that minor nations did send. Instead, they ordered a brilliant Canadian general and a handful of lightly-armed and unsupported Canadian, Belgian and other troops to standby and do nothing. Actually, they ordered them to withdraw and abandon the legions of helpless people to die at the hands of machete-wielding extremists -- to their credit, they disobeyed the order and refused to leave even when this seemed like a suicidal choice.

It would be easy to point out how much simpler any military task is if you have the resources that the U.S. military has -- rather than having to make do with your own wit and willpower.

But, then, that would be too easy...

[JStarz]

There's nothing left to be told...

Heads up Towhey

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The more you sweat in peacetime, the less you bleed in combat

[Enfield]

Wow, towhey, that was good - I think I might print that one.

Well, this guy has his facts so messed up it's not even worth debating.

Enfield

[Cree Warrior]

Better watch what BWO1 is saying in the US SF chat. He is trying to start shit there as well.
I say we all ignore him, he's obviously a misbehaved youngster seeking attention, the best way to deal with this lot is to ignore them and not react to their postings. He's just trying to yank chains.

Sua Sponte

[BWO1]

Jeez Im glad your on our side your so smart you must be a commando or something real tough

[towhey]

BTDT...

[WS-G]

Originally posted by Cole:
"Rouge Warrior" whats your problem, can't get into the "Forceses" cause you can't spell, or they just don't offer courses in "Basic Make-up Application" in the Revlon Brigade. Go over to the Texas website if you want to bash the Forces.

Sorry, Cole, but we don't want that bruised polyp off a slug's piles down here either. F***wit probably wouldn't last 5 seconds in the G-Company Gulag before falling off and spewing all over himself in convulsions. Though I'd love to watch that evolution <G>.

SGT W.M. Salter
Co. G (Abn), 143d Infantry (LRS), TXARNG

[This message has been edited by William M Salter (edited 12-31-2000).]

[Barney]

Well, while I'd love to get rather angry here, but giving poor BWO1 a smack-down is like taking candy from a baby. Eminently enjoyable, but the pleasure fades quickly. And, momma told me that it's not nice to pick on the illiterate.

But, as I find virtually everything he's said objectionable, I think I'll jump in to address some issues.

What recent war have we been involved in since WWII outside of a Chapter 6 or 7 Action: Korea, Gulf, Bosnia, Kosovo to name a few. And, bullets kill just as easily in Peacekeeping and Peacemaking as in war, as many of our troops have found.

But, let's ask the question of why we weren't in Grenada and Vietnam and other conflicts. First, we are not a US vassal state, nor did we fight proxy wars against communism (a fact I'm glad of - look at Honduras et al, it didn't help them, did it). This freedom of foreign policy has kept our international reputation intact. I went throught the Middle East, Aegean, and Europe with a Canadian flag on my pack. While, the Americans with me hid their nationality. In fact, there is a booming business in fake Canadian passports for American travellers.

As for Rwanda, nothing I say could ever give enough credit to our troops there, including Gen Dallaire. Hardly anybody here has any idea of what it's like to witness slaughter on that scale. Add to the visual effect the psychotropic effects of the prescribed anti-malarial drug Meflaquine, and I'm surpised anybody returned from there with their brains intact. BWO1, I would hardly say that you have any right to criticize unless you've been there. I've held on to three people, and tried frantically to save their lives as they died, and I'll never forget the sights, sounds, and smells. Multiply that by almost 800,000 and add a measure of assumed responsibility and that's where our folks and the Gen are coming from. If BWO1 thinks he can handle that, he's a liar.

Well, as Mr Gump would say 'that's all I've got to say about that'.

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Death to the Purple One

[BWO1]

This is all really funny , still keep trying to "justify" all of your actions.It still don't change my views at all your all cowards
and your views don't bother me your all the enemy .

[Disturbance]

Alright guys I think we have blown his ship out of the water so why dont we just close it off right here. Dont give him anymore bait.

Let us be the professionals and act professionally. No more replys to BW01 cause he will probably wet his bed more than he already does. Thats all he wants so dont give it to him. Hopefully you guys understand even though I know its hard when someone bashes our country. Let us be canadian about it and be tolerant.

-Disturbance

[enderr]

Well isn't this just pinky....hmmm... Yeah, I'll admit that certain egos in the militia might be sky high, but you gotta keep in mind that the CF's motto is do more with less. Which results in poorly equipped highly trained super ninjas. And don't even begin this war/peacekeeping comparison....cause you haven't been there and neither have I!!

"winds: fift..er..i mean twelve"