JLC/ISCC

[FNG]

Has anyone here completed their JLC/ISCC?
Can you please provide me with some info on the course?

I am mainly looking for a course outline and PO/EOs, but other comments would help also.

Thanks

[garett]

I haven't done the course but last summer I was demo for it in Gagetown. From what I've heard its been changed. This summer the section commander part has been cut and made into its own month long course. There is information in PDF form that can be downloaded from the Infantry School at http://www.brunnet.net/infsch/
Phase 1,2 has similar things taught so some of the study material could be applied.
If you want my opinion from the different things I saw then I'll give them to you.

[FNG]

Thanks for the link Garrett. I appreciate all comments and info. If you would like to email them to me instead, my email is

8akyw@qlink.queensu.ca

Thanks

[Reverend B]

You want info? I passed it years ago when it was still a bag drive, I think we had somewhere in the mid 70% range for attrition. Now, like all other courses,it is getting friendly and weak. However, this is the past couple of years at the new and improved WATC...could be different elswhere. I am not saying that you should be weak and feable to pass, but I think that if you are to hard, fit, and sharp and excel, well, you will begin to hate the idiots that you are on course with, and that probably will keep you from passing.
---God loves the infantry....it is too bad that our weak and pathetic government doesn't.

[Cree Warrior]

Here are my "secret tips" for success on Canadian leadership courses.

1. Memorize; work on your memorization skills. For some reason the Canadian army is hog wild about laundry lists, and it is equated with leadership skills. Therefore, use anacronims, rhymes, whatever to help you memorize all those damn lists.

2. PT doesnt matter. A course I was on in Pet 2 years ago a person that dropped out of EVERY run topped the course...???

3. When you do your bio at the beginning of the course, put nothing in there of meaning. If you should per chance have prior experience in anything, don't let the DS know, they will feel threatened and take it out on you trying to let you know how much they know. Let them feel like Gods while you're there.

4. OPORDS, or Orders as we call them here. If you can hammer those down you're set. Know exactly what goes where and in what paragraph. If I ask you, "in what paragraph is the commander (2 up)intent?" you should know..exactly. Commander intent (1up) you should know. As well as remembering the paragraphs (SMESC) learn all of the sub heading within each and memorize them. Whenever you get a chance, give FULL orders. Its what you would do real world anyway if you had the chance. Even if its a small area recce, or whatever.
If you give full orders enough times, it becomes second nature to plan that way. Then when you're evaluated, they'll be searching for stuff and will only be able to pick out little stuff like, "You used black for roads on your terrain model, they should be red" Yah whatever.

5. Get a good Terrain model kit. Water proofed labels for everything you can think of. Red, blue, black, yellow, green, white wool and string, etc etc.

6. AS for inspections and buying a second set of everything...well you can consider it. Especially if you plan on being around for a while. It saves alot of time.

Sua Sponte

[garett]

Humm
Those are all applicable but do you have any Phase 1,2 tips Cree Warrior? Can't say I have a good idea what to expect, just lots of cock from the Reg DS.

[FNG]

Thanks for all the info. I'll be looking to do some pre-study wherever I can.

[Reverend B]

Ahh, all the bullshit aside, like Cree says, make sure you have orders format down to a science. Also, alongside that, make sure that you can actually GIVE orders. Some people have good writen orders, then fall to shit when they actually have to give them. Also for the first part, you have to get down the INSTRUCTION and DRILL phase. Study the proper lesson plan format, memorize, and learn to properly TEACH a class. Again, there are a lot of people that are good at making up lesson plans, then fall to complete peices when they are in the breach, teaching the class. Same with drill. Learn to give the proper drill in the proper format and at the same time, actually get experience teaching drill in the allowed time frame. Teach it to your dog if you have to, just follow the proper sequence and MAKE SURE that you fall into the alloted time and MAKE SURE that you follow the correct sequence. You'll never teach in these formats again, but you have to for the sake of the course.
Last for now, support your section mates when it comes to their classes/lectures/drill periods. Don't be a fuckhead in their classes, don't fall asleep, and do not be a blade by asking dumb Q's. This carries a long way with the course in general. Once the hostilities start and people start going at one anothers throats, don't be a part of it, just do your job and help out the weaker members, and beleive me, there will be a lot of them. Watch your six, there will be blades-a-plenty.

[towhey]

Some good advice from the folks here.

Having run ISCC's for the PPCLI in my past life, I'll add a few points:

1. In order to be a good leader, you have to be a good follower. Reverend B's points are crucial and the instructors will be looking to see who's a team player and who isn't. Even when you're not in a leadership role, you must be a team player and take the initiative. Instructors are like parents -- they really do see a hell of a lot more than the students ever realize.

2. Learn to navigate. The biggest stumbling block for most ISCC candidates in the field phase is poor navigation skills. Partly, this is because the CF teaches navigation poorly. Compass work is important, but map work is critical. Most ISCC candidates can't read maps. The ability to follow a compass heading and count paces won't help you if you can't read a map.

Spend some time in the field with a map and learn to visualize it. See how the contour lines look on the ground. See how the valleys and rivers look on the map. Realize that contours, lakes, hills, valleys, rivers are more likely to be in the "right" place on a 20 year old map than tree lines, barns, houses and roads.

Learn to move from point A to B in daylight, and then at night using your map only. Then learn to plot and follow compass bearings. Everyone gets lost at some point, so learn how to get "unlost."

If you are confident in your navigation capability, then you will be able to concentrate better on planning, orders, tactics and execution.

Back to the teamwork point, find out the strengths and weaknesses of the people in your section on course. Who's the best navigator? Who's the best drill instructor? etc. Rely on each other and use each other's skills to help the team win.

Good luck!

Mark