Global Warming, a hoax? NAH...Breaking News

[snaquebite]

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/20/the-global-warming-scandal-of-the-century/

Anthony Watts of Watt’s Up With That? and Stephen McIntrye of Climate Audit broke the story this morning of the hacking break-in at the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit (aka Hadley CRU).

BBC confirms:

The crimes revealed in the e-mails promise to be the global warming scandal of the century — and have massive bearing on the climate change legislation being considered by our lawmakers here at home.

:eek:

[Keganswar]

WOW thats amazing. That hacker deserves a medal not jail time. Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Wonder what Al Gore is thinking right now.

[HighDragLowSpeed]

climate change is bad. so bad that it forces women into prostitution (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/177346/climate-change-pushes-poor-women-to-prostitution-dangerous-work). It's so bad that people cant decide if it's getter hotter or cooler so they just call it "climate change" now.

Obviously, it's far worse than people think...and Al Gore isnt making money off it either. :rolleyes:

[RGR.Montcalm]

...Will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Wonder what Al Gore is thinking right now.

He's thinking, "I gotta dump that carbon credit stock before it tanks like AIG..."

[John6719]

I'm waiting for it to cause all women (that pass the pinky test) in my area to walk around in skimpy bathing suits. If that happens, I'll support global warming.....

[hile]

Give the hackers Presidential Medals of Freedom. Then give the climate change dumkopofs the Bernie Madoff treatment.

[Reload]

i was waiting for this to be revealed. never believed it for a millisecond.

[Massgrunt]

Anyone seen Tracy lately?

[Glebo]

Odd, I was watching some documentary last night about a team of multi-national scientists drill about 1500' into an ice core in Greenland.

They are showing natural cooling and warming periods throughout the ages, and the next "warming" stage will be in a few yrs.

However, that has been the established pattern of what they have seen for more than 150k yrs, according to the core samples.

So....how were those previous warming trends triggered.....the flintstones cars????

[karlm]

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/CowFartUnits_Schedule_UN.gif

[Keganswar]

He's thinking, "I gotta dump that carbon credit stock before it tanks like AIG..."

LOL !!! HAHAHAAHA:biggrin:

[OldSwabbie]

This may be the ONLY time I will EVER say this.. (ever)... Did I mention Ever? I normally hate these guys with a passion because of what they've done/tried to do to my systems in the past...

AWESOME JOB HACKERS!!!

Accolades over.. Now you got to jail :biggrin:

If this is indeed true data...I hope this has a hammer effect on these lamebrain puke heads so that they are completely discredited in their scientific communities. They have already cost people around the world billions and billions... and were about to cost us Trillions in taxes and caps for what? NOTHING....

[snaquebite]

I hope this gets the attention it deserves. There is a lot of pending legislation out there that is in one way or another tied to GW. Fox news is on it already.

[Hostile0311]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOOc5yiIWkg
Crossthread points?

[grog18b]

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/CowFartUnits_Schedule_UN.gif

That's why I do my part, and eat as many porterhouses as I can. :biggrin:

[CarnageWhiskey]

So is it ok to eat whales again?

[Patrick7]

I am sure I will get some shit for this but Al Gore's global warming ideas may be a hoax/bunch of BS but the earth definitely is changing-who really knows why. The Arctic is opening up and I have sat through a ton of briefs on this stuff lately. Leaving out the hippie BS, the why doesn't really matter. A little rise in sea level would have some pretty big changes and an ice free northern passage will bring about some interesting changes to other nations maritime strategies. Russia has a pretty big northern coast with a ton of possible ports to get some resources out of otherwise limited access areas. Will be interested to see how this plays out in the next 30-50 years.

[sfmedicw9]

if the arctic ice floats why would that effect sea levels?

[Longrifle]

. . . the earth definitely is changing-who really knows why. . .
Because the only thing constant in the universe, or on Earth, is change.

Shorelines have advanced and receded for eons. Ice caps come and go. Hell, even the distance between the Washington Monument and the Matterhorn is greater now than the day I was born.

None of that was/is caused by humans. Sometimes we need reminding how miniscule we are in the grand scheme of things.

[Greenhat]

Sometimes we need reminding how miniscule we are in the grand scheme of things.

Bingo.

Although that would be a shot to the ego of Al Gore and company...

[ET1/ss nuke]

I wonder if our domestic media outlets will give this the same coverage they gave to the Pentagon Papers. :rolleyes:

[Billy L-bach]

no news here... move along nothing to see
please report to the re-education facility

global warming is real... go green

[5pins]

This is a great video on global warming called the “Great Global Warming Swindle” from the BBC.

http://www.moviesfoundonline.com/great_global_warming_swindle.php

As far as the stolen emails are concerned. It will be ignored by the main stream press, they will be to busy fact checking Palin’s new book. It will be explained away as “taken out of context”, “not what I meant” or “I didn’t say that” It will be brushed aside and ignored.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

ummm... so how exactly do these alleged emails disprove global warming?

Beyond the hyperbolic headline of the article and claims of proof of a hoax in the emails, I didn't see anything to actually support that.

Why are the deniers acting like this is proof of a hoax?

[M.Pen]

ummm... so how exactly do these alleged emails disprove global warming?

Beyond the hyperbolic headline of the article and claims of proof of a hoax in the emails, I didn't see anything to actually support that.

Why are the deniers acting like this is proof of a hoax?

This is just the latest in a long line of hoaxes.

[Scratchy]

Am I the only one who doesn't really give two shits if global warming is real or not? I just think we should try to be greener for the sake of enjoying nature more? Maybe I'm a bit of a backwoods hick (I am), but a few more hybrids so you don't have a deafening roar from highways would be nice. In relation to the article I find it fascinating that (if we are to rely on these e-mails as truth) the acts of a hacker or two could unravel a long string of lies because a few were too lazy to empty their mailboxes...

[Massgrunt]

Am I the only one who doesn't really give two shits if global warming is real or not? I just think we should try to be greener for the sake of enjoying nature more?I'm pretty close to your way of thinking. I resent the "elite" shoving some bullshit at me while being complete hypocrites and enriching themselves on something that is less than fully proven. At the same time, I think we should be good stewards of the planet anyway. Not dirtying our own nest as it were.

[abprar]

Am I the only one who doesn't really give two shits if global warming is real or not? I just think we should try to be greener for the sake of enjoying nature more? Maybe I'm a bit of a backwoods hick (I am), but a few more hybrids so you don't have a deafening roar from highways would be nice. In relation to the article I find it fascinating that (if we are to rely on these e-mails as truth) the acts of a hacker or two could unravel a long string of lies because a few were too lazy to empty their mailboxes...

Totally agree

[Scratchy]

Not dirtying our own nest as it were.

Exactly.

[MakoZeroSix]

The truth is there is no more truth anymore. Only the propaganda of special interests. Whichever side has the best IO is the proponent of the "truth". Welcome to the new age.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

This is just the latest in a long line of hoaxes.So where is the hoax in these emails?

[Lagnaippe]

The truth is there is no more truth anymore. Only the propaganda of special interests. Whichever side has the best IO is the proponent of the "truth". Welcome to the new age.


Uh oh...the secret's out. He's onto us.;)

[Whitebean54]

The truth is there is no more truth anymore. Only the propaganda of special interests. Whichever side has the best IO is the proponent of the "truth". Welcome to the new age.

Couldnt agree more

[Oldpogue]

So where is the hoax in these emails?

I read them and really didn't see much of substance. A lot of weasel words from people putting their own interpretation on them. Trying to make the peer review more professional. So what? I've seen John Daly as a weatherman in Chicago for years and he's a lightweight compared to most in the industry. I'm no longer taking a stance, one way or the other, on this issue, but this being called the greatest hoax of the century because of what was posted is nothing but hyperbole. We're seeing all too much of it these days.

[rubberneck]

So where is the hoax in these emails?

You read the e-mail that said that they changed the numbers to reflect warming that wasn't there? Or the one where they agreed to send a letter overstating warming or the one where they admit their models detected cooling not warming. While all of this is going on they are telling the public that warming is real and not in dispute. Nothing more than the largest fraud pushed on the entire world.

[Fofo]

I'm pretty close to your way of thinking. I resent the "elite" shoving some bullshit at me while being complete hypocrites and enriching themselves on something that is less than fully proven. At the same time, I think we should be good stewards of the planet anyway. Not dirtying our own nest as it were.

x2, I agree completely.

[sfmedicw9]

So where is the hoax in these emails?

your proof positive that Facts are kryptonite to the liberal

1. EVERYONE that was cited in these emails were the source of DATA to the UN IPCC

2. This plan was exposed in the 60s as the pathway to international redistribution of wealth

3. without Mann's and Hansen's models the ENTIRE anthropormorphic causation crumbles - ITS GONE

4. The Oceans arent rising

5. Polars bears are doing just fine thank you

6. Sea Ice is growing not shrinking

7. This isnt the first time Hanson got caught falsifying Data - but him and his butt buddy and business partner Gore gets away with it because of the liberal media

8. Temperatures arent even flat - there falling

9. Satelite Data (OBSERVED DATA) blows the alarmists out of the water

10 AL Gore is finally being exposed for what he is - A poorly educated , con artist that has been deceiving the world for years to make money for himself and connected elitist liberal friends

11. Even the socialist Eurotrash is backing off of the man caused global warming theory now

12. Science is now firmly in the corner of the climate skeptics now and the global warming alarmists are now the deniers of science and fact

13. NOTHING and this is important NOTHING in the goracles fiction documentary has come true or is even trending to come true - Again hes a con artist

14. Cap and Trade has been exposed as a tax boondoggle and is DEAD DEAD DEAD



B5R again I wish I had a photo of you to put up in motivational posters thread with the quote:

if your young and a republican you have no heart , If your old and a democrat you have no brain

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your proof positive that Facts are kryptonite to the liberal

1. EVERYONE that was cited in these emails were the source of DATA to the UN IPCC

2. This plan was exposed in the 60s as the pathway to international redistribution of wealth

3. without Mann's and Hansen's models the ENTIRE anthropormorphic causation crumbles - ITS GONE

4. The Oceans arent rising

5. Polars bears are doing just fine thank you

6. Sea Ice is growing not shrinking

7. This isnt the first time Hanson got caught falsifying Data - but him and his butt buddy and business partner Gore gets away with it because of the liberal media

8. Temperatures arent even flat - there falling

9. Satelite Data (OBSERVED DATA) blows the alarmists out of the water

10 AL Gore is finally being exposed for what he is - A poorly educated , con artist that has been deceiving the world for years to make money for himself and connected elitist liberal friends

11. Even the socialist Eurotrash is backing off of the man caused global warming theory now

12. Science is now firmly in the corner of the climate skeptics now and the global warming alarmists are now the deniers of science and fact

13. NOTHING and this is important NOTHING in the goracles fiction documentary has come true or is even trending to come true - Again hes a con artist

14. Cap and Trade has been exposed as a tax boondoggle and is DEAD DEAD DEAD



B5R again I wish I had a photo of you to put up in motivational posters thread with the quote:

if your young and a republican you have no heart , If your old and a democrat you have no brain

Respectfully sir, not only is your assertion about B5R a fallacy, but at least half of those points don't actually qualify as facts.

[Titleist]

Respectfully sir, not only is your assertion about B5R a fallacy, but at least half of those points don't actually qualify as facts.

Sir. Can you be a little more specific? I'm curious as to which are fallacies and interested in the facts that make them fallacious. :confused:

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Sir. Can you be a little more specific? I'm curious as to which are fallacies and interested in the facts that make them fallacious. :confused:

The idea that B5R (and I'm not actually commenting on this person) represents the broad swath of liberals is a generalization. Running into one obese, ignorant American does not mean the majority of Americans are obese and ignorant.

5. Define fine.

9. What is an alarmist? What is factual about the degree to which they have been publicly refuted? (See link on satellite data below)

10. Al Gore is factually any of these things?

11. Who are socialist eurotrash? What makes them eurotrash?

12. Science is in someone's corner? Operationally define science.

13. Al Gore's documentary is fiction? Nothing about an inconvenient truth is coming true? Define true...trending? Define trending. If they are trends, are they rigidly defined?

14. What is a boondoggle? What makes something a boondoggle? Who presides over the classification of boondoggles? Was Cap and Trade alive?

Moreover, the assertions regarding polar ice are contradictory to scientific evidence NASA has offered, as well as one of the central arguments of the anti-global warming crowd; that temperatures have risen slightly as a result of a natural warming trend, not man-made emissions.

Glaciers are receding, and the polar ice has demonstrated thinning.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

By the way - I am NOT a scientist, I do not have any marked investment or store of knowledge with regard to global warming. However, there is a difference between fact and opinion.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

your proof positive that Facts are kryptonite to the liberal

1. EVERYONE that was cited in these emails were the source of DATA to the UN IPCC

2. This plan was exposed in the 60s as the pathway to international redistribution of wealth

3. without Mann's and Hansen's models the ENTIRE anthropormorphic causation crumbles - ITS GONE

4. The Oceans arent rising

5. Polars bears are doing just fine thank you

6. Sea Ice is growing not shrinking

7. This isnt the first time Hanson got caught falsifying Data - but him and his butt buddy and business partner Gore gets away with it because of the liberal media

8. Temperatures arent even flat - there falling

9. Satelite Data (OBSERVED DATA) blows the alarmists out of the water

10 AL Gore is finally being exposed for what he is - A poorly educated , con artist that has been deceiving the world for years to make money for himself and connected elitist liberal friends

11. Even the socialist Eurotrash is backing off of the man caused global warming theory now

12. Science is now firmly in the corner of the climate skeptics now and the global warming alarmists are now the deniers of science and fact

13. NOTHING and this is important NOTHING in the goracles fiction documentary has come true or is even trending to come true - Again hes a con artist

14. Cap and Trade has been exposed as a tax boondoggle and is DEAD DEAD DEAD



B5R again I wish I had a photo of you to put up in motivational posters thread with the quote:

if your young and a republican you have no heart , If your old and a democrat you have no brainPlease show me the email that proves global warming is a hoax.

And whereas you make broad generalizations about all liberals, I know that there are many conservatives I disagree with that have valid points and, more importantly, that not all the people I disagree with think alike and fit into a single stereotype.

Your sweeping generalizations of those to the left of you (a larger percentage of the population than most I suspect) and your absolute certainty without facts of how wrong everyone else is makes me not take you seriously.

There are many on this board I strongly disagree with... but many of them have supported their statements with facts, giving me something to think about... or at least been reasonable enough to not present their opinions or beliefs as indisputable facts, just a different perspective that I can respect.

Personal insults from you are quite welcome. From the way you post, I would start to question the veracity of my views if you agreed with them.

[Titleist]

The idea that B5R (and I'm not actually commenting on this person) represents the broad swath of liberals is a generalization. Running into one obese, ignorant American does not mean the majority of Americans are obese and ignorant.

5. Define fine.

9. What is an alarmist? What is factual about the degree to which they have been publicly refuted? (See link on satellite data below)

10. Al Gore is factually any of these things?

11. Who are socialist eurotrash? What makes them eurotrash?

12. Science is in someone's corner? Operationally define science.

13. Al Gore's documentary is fiction? Nothing about an inconvenient truth is coming true? Define true...trending? Define trending. If they are trends, are they rigidly defined?

14. What is a boondoggle? What makes something a boondoggle? Who presides over the classification of boondoggles? Was Cap and Trade alive?

Moreover, the assertions regarding polar ice are contradictory to scientific evidence NASA has offered, as well as one of the central arguments of the anti-global warming crowd; that temperatures have risen slightly as a result of a natural warming trend, not man-made emissions.

Glaciers are receding, and the polar ice has demonstrated thinning.

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic_thinice.html

By the way - I am NOT a scientist, I do not have any marked investment or store of knowledge with regard to global warming. However, there is a difference between fact and opinion.

EPA hysteria concerns.... http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf ...

Polar bear concerns?.....Suppressed EPA report, meet suppressed polar bear report.

Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.

[Titleist]

The surface of the sun is around 10,000 F. The core around around 27,000,000 degrees. As small as the earth is in comparison to the sun, if the temperture of the earth was 2,000,000 F a scant 2 miles below the surface, we would be a small sun. Gore is an idiot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc

[Patrick7]

Once again, I am not talking about global warming-no argument from me there, think it is total BS.
Climate change is a different story altogether. I am not saying it is man made at all, like people said on the first page-the earth goes in cycles. The polar ice cap is shrinking-dont see how you can really argue that. It regrows every winter but sat pictures show it growing back less.
With regards to sea level rise the Navy and people at Woods Hole, Scripps, MIT, and a host of other places are saying anywhere from 1-3 feet in the next 100 years. None of them said it is man's fault but man better be able to deal with it. The ocean is also shifting its ph levels and becoming more acidic-nothing major yet but that effects everything from eco sysyems to sound speed profiles. I am more worried about the latter. I can provide a ton more data on this next week from the office but I don't think most people like staring at models or data all day but I will dig some of it up to show some facts.

[Titleist]

Once again, I am not talking about global warming-no argument from me there, think it is total BS.
Climate change is a different story altogether. I am not saying it is man made at all, like people said on the first page-the earth goes in cycles. The polar ice cap is shrinking-dont see how you can really argue that. It regrows every winter but sat pictures show it growing back less.
With regards to sea level rise the Navy and people at Woods Hole, Scripps, MIT, and a host of other places are saying anywhere from 1-3 feet in the next 100 years. None of them said it is man's fault but man better be able to deal with it. The ocean is also shifting its ph levels and becoming more acidic-nothing major yet but that effects everything from eco sysyems to sound speed profiles. I am more worried about the latter. I can provide a ton more data on this next week from the office but I don't think most people like staring at models or data all day but I will dig some of it up to show some facts.

Maybe you can help me. How do you predict climate change on a 5 billion year old planet with 200 yrs (at most) of data? :rolleyes:

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EPA hysteria concerns.... [url] ...

Polar bear concerns?.....Suppressed EPA report, meet suppressed polar bear report.

Dr Mitchell Taylor has been researching the status and management of polar bears in Canada and around the Arctic Circle for 30 years, as both an academic and a government employee. More than once since 2006 he has made headlines by insisting that polar bear numbers, far from decreasing, are much higher than they were 30 years ago. Of the 19 different bear populations, almost all are increasing or at optimum levels, only two have for local reasons modestly declined.

okay - my comment was meant to illustrate the problem with presenting a subjective judgment like 'fine' as fact.

'polar bears are fine' is not a fact. It is an opinion; even if based on evidence, it cannot be objectively verified as true.

polar bear numbers are above a safe level as defined by the government. This can be verified as true. What is the set limit? Are their numbers above this level? Yes or no. Fact.

[sfmedicw9]

Please show me the email that proves global warming is a hoax.



And whereas you make broad generalizations about all liberals, I know that there are many conservatives I disagree with that have valid points and, more importantly, that not all the people I disagree with think alike and fit into a single stereotype.

Your sweeping generalizations of those to the left of you (a larger percentage of the population than most I suspect) and your absolute certainty without facts of how wrong everyone else is makes me not take you seriously.

There are many on this board I strongly disagree with... but many of them have supported their statements with facts, giving me something to think about... or at least been reasonable enough to not present their opinions or beliefs as indisputable facts, just a different perspective that I can respect.

Personal insults from you are quite welcome. From the way you post, I would start to question the veracity of my views if you agreed with them.



Ok here ya go

http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/alleged-cru-emails-searchable-j-shukla.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112004093.html

ah hell here is a good site that is fact checked prior to posts but of course your blind adherance to the leftist pablum will no doubt cause you to dismiss anything on here - again truth is krytonite to the liberal

http://climatedepot.com/

I cant blame you for being blind to the facts because you live in the land of the blinded

you need to get out of the city and actualy talk to people with some common sense or hang with some folks other than an immature group of punk rockers with an attitude

[Patrick7]

Maybe you can help me. How do you predict climate change on a 5 billion year old planet with 200 yrs (at most) of data? :rolleyes:

Do you really think that the climate of the planet is not cyclical? Thought everyone could agree on that, and most normal people agree that it is not man made.

If the climate is not changing it is weird that we had the first south Atlantic tropical cyclone on record-not saying it never happened before but it sure as shit isn't in modern recorded history. May other interesting things happening showing that it is changing, not my place to figure out the why but I do spend a lot of time working on the yes/no of it.

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/summer05/catarina.html

For the ice caps: http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=11&fd=20&fy=1980&sm=11&sd=20&sy=2009 or http://www.natice.noaa.gov/

If you are really bored you can go through all the data for the last 30 years on ice extent. When there are areas already open and foreign ships cruising through it is pretty much in our (US) best interest to be able to operate in that environment, something tough to do currently.

This guy is not an idiot and he would not be wasting all this time if there wasnt something going on. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=55327

[Bravo Five Romeo]

Ok here ya go

http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/11/alleged-cru-emails-searchable-j-shukla.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/20/AR2009112004093.html

ah hell here is a good site that is fact checked prior to posts but of course your blind adherance to the leftist pablum will no doubt cause you to dismiss anything on here - again truth is krytonite to the liberal

http://climatedepot.com/

I cant blame you for being blind to the facts because you live in the land of the blinded

you need to get out of the city and actualy talk to people with some common sense or hang with some folks other than an immature group of punk rockers with an attitudeAh thank you.
Your posts are like a fresh cool breeze.
You believe that email proves that global warming is a hoax?
Excellent. Very entertaining.
And thank you for not dissapointing by throwing in another one of your ignorant broad stereotypes.you need to get out of the city and actualy talk to people with some common senseI knew you wouldn't let me down in exposing how no one who lives in the city has any common sense.
Thank you.
I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work.

[Titleist]

Do you really think that the climate of the planet is not cyclical? Thought everyone could agree on that, and most normal people agree that it is not man made.

If the climate is not changing it is weird that we had the first south Atlantic tropical cyclone on record-not saying it never happened before but it sure as shit isn't in modern recorded history. May other interesting things happening showing that it is changing, not my place to figure out the why but I do spend a lot of time working on the yes/no of it.

http://www.ucar.edu/communications/quarterly/summer05/catarina.html

For the ice caps: http://igloo.atmos.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/test/print.sh?fm=11&fd=20&fy=1980&sm=11&sd=20&sy=2009 or http://www.natice.noaa.gov/

If you are really bored you can go through all the data for the last 30 years on ice extent. When there are areas already open and foreign ships cruising through it is pretty much in our (US) best interest to be able to operate in that environment, something tough to do currently.

This guy is not an idiot and he would not be wasting all this time if there wasnt something going on. http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=55327

I don't think we really disagree. I agree climates are cyclical. The idea that mankind can do anything to affect it, current technology available, is absurd. I'm also incensed at Mr. Gore profiting from spewing nonsense. He is either incredibly dense or the best snake oil salesman the world has ever seen.

[sfmedicw9]

first arctic sea ice

I read with amusement the that the sky is falling because the north pole would have no sea ice for the first time ever and that sea ice last year would be gone

what the alarmist once again ignored is the facts - during wwII the same region was known as the northern passage and the sea ice was actualy lower than today

here is some science for ya B5R

http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/arctic-sea-ice-not-following-consensus/

[sfmedicw9]

As far as Polar bears - why not read from an expert that actually works with polar bears rather than those that write papers based on third and fouth hand knowledge

http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2009/09/20/arctic-sea-ice-not-following-consensus/

[sfmedicw9]

or how about climate modeling that didnt even see the cooling trend only ten years ago and have been shown to be skewed by heat sinks and selective placement by alarmists

AND (big AND) satelite data has shown to be wrong or ...


http://www.climatedepot.com/a/1813/US-Government-Scientists-Shock-Admission-Climate-Model-Software-Doesnt-Meet-the-Best-Standards-Available

[sfmedicw9]

And the on the face of it absurdity that CO2 is a pollutant or that their is a link to increase CO2 to warming atmosphere

unfortunately for the alarmist real scientists are abandoning this THEORY in droves

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/2810/UK-Astrophysicist-The-notion-that-CO2-warms-world-has-come-to-a-dead-end

what im watching is the growing group of CLIMATE scientists that are warning that the earth is suffering from CO2 starvation

[sfmedicw9]

Or how about the fact that most members of the IPCC panel dont agree with the report and that the final draft wasnt written by scientists but by politicians who included only Data that supported the global warming myth and was in fact heavily influence by the very same con artists that this thread exposes

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/968

[sfmedicw9]

And thank you for not dissapointing by throwing in another one of your ignorant broad stereotypes.I knew you wouldn't let me down in exposing how no one who lives in the city has any common sense.
.

Your right its a stereotype - But you have to admit that NYC, Hollywood and SanFran or bastions of liberal thought

If I go off the handle its because I HATE the liberals and socialist who are undermining the constitution of the USA

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS without knowing squat about what this Chicago shuck and Jive Car Salesman stood for

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS because he was black or said cute little catchy slogans

I HATE those who are helpless without the government

and I HATE those that are ignorant or suseptable enough to not see whats going on with Capa and Trade, the stimulus bills, Health Care, and a host of other assorted this this administration is misleading the public

and I hate the fact that a fellow soldier allowed himself to be taken in by the lies of the left

[EchoFiveMike]

Global climate change is just a method where the 1st world commits economic suicide while the factually real polluters/dispoilers get paid(Turd World)

US and Europe has sustainable birth rates and relatively radical environmental protection laws and customs.

The Turd World breeds like rabbits, nay, bacteria, and consume their perishable natural resources using State of the Art industrial techniques without much/any legal restriction and everybody uses where ever as a giant landfill.

If the fucking enviro crazies were actually dealing with facts and had functional thought processes, they'd be for sterilizing the 3rd world at the point of a gun.

But the Third World governments ain't tolerant of that shit, because it means they'd get toppled/hung from lamp posts(eventually) by their "citizens." Rightly so. And if the enviro nutballs go there and push that bullshit, they'd get vanished and/or beaten with 3/8" chain, which IMO is a good thing.

So, it has little/nothing to do with actual "protection of the environment" and everything to do with getting paid....at the cost of the destruction of the 1st world's middle class. America has made HUGE real practical advances in environmental protection since the 19th century and we've largely done it based on facts and without destroying our economy. The affluent can afford to be environmentally friendly, always remember that. When you're starving in a hovel, you don't give a shit about some fucking spotted owl, which I see as perfectly sane and reasonable.

IME/IMO, most everyone pushing climate change is cynically getting paid or a useful idiot, sometimes both. S/F.....Ken M

[sfmedicw9]

E5M

hey you need a job next year ?? Got any experience running incinerators?

I think we could use you

[MakoZeroSix]

Your right its a stereotype - But you have to admit that NYC, Hollywood and SanFran or bastions of liberal thought

If I go off the handle its because I HATE the liberals and socialist who are undermining the constitution of the USA

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS without knowing squat about what this Chicago shuck and Jive Car Salesman stood for

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS because he was black or said cute little catchy slogans

I HATE those who are helpless without the government

and I HATE those that are ignorant or suseptable enough to not see whats going on with Capa and Trade, the stimulus bills, Health Care, and a host of other assorted this this administration is misleading the public

and I hate the fact that a fellow soldier allowed himself to be taken in by the lies of the left

Try to get away from hate, bro. The emotion will cloud your judgment. Try to understand where they are coming from, why they think that way, how they advance their agenda, and how it is so successful thus far. Only then will you learn how to counter them. Isn't that unconventional warfare?

The lies are told by both sides.

[sfmedicw9]

Try to get away from hate, bro. The emotion will cloud your judgment. Try to understand where they are coming from, why they think that way, how they advance their agenda, and how it is so successful thus far. Only then will you learn how to counter them. Isn't that unconventional warfare?

The lies are told by both sides.


Its not so bad as long as i take my meds :biggrin:

yea the lies are told on both sides - it doesnt matter who tells them - If they go against this constitutional republic we call the United States I'll line up against anyone.

I can rant equally hard about HW41 and W43 A pox on both their houses

[valhallabound]

Back about 30 years ago the "experts" wanted to spread soot on the polar ice to turn it black and absorb more heat because the earth was cooling off...

The computer models can't accurately predict what the weather will be like in 1 to 2 days and yet the politicians want to rush and make changes based on theories of what might happen in the future if we don't act right now. Everyone has an agenda and we the people are caught in the middle with their hands in our pockets....IMO this whole thing is about the quest for money and power.

[Titleist]

Back about 30 years ago the "experts" wanted to spread soot on the polar ice to turn it black and absorb more heat because the earth was cooling off...

The computer models can't accurately predict what the weather will be like in 1 to 2 days and yet the politicians want to rush and make changes based on theories of what might happen in the future if we don't act right now. Everyone has an agenda and we the people are caught in the middle with their hands in our pockets....IMO this whole thing is about the quest for money and power.

The whole nature of it is incredulous. Those that buy into it are niave at best, dipshits and uneducated twits, probably.

[colmurph]

Remember, most of the people who believe that the seas will rise as a result of the Arctic Ice Pack melting, failed Physics and Chemistry and probably majored in Basket Weaving 101 in college. Remember the sign held by a global warming protester, "Who needs oil? I ride the bus." There was also a petition to ban a dangeroous chemical that got thousands of signatures - Dihydrogen Monoxide. See the reference below.


http://www.petitiononline.com/spots350/petition.html

[Lannister]

Sorry Brother and NO disrespect intended but:

Your right its a stereotype - But you have to admit that NYC, Hollywood and SanFran or bastions of liberal thought

Historically... W. Virginia is/was the "bastion" of in-bread hillbillies, Tennessee the "bastion" of the KKK, Chicago the "bastion" of the Mob... but that doesn't justify stereotyping everyone from those areas as being hillbillies, kkk, or mobsters...

If I go off the handle its because I HATE the liberals and socialist who are undermining the constitution of the USA

Do you also HATE conservatives and libertarians who are undermining the constitution of the USA...??

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS without knowing squat about what this Chicago shuck and Jive Car Salesman stood for

Kinda like hating anyone who voted for ANY POLITICIAN regardless of political party without knowing squat about what the politician stood for...

I HATE those who voted for this POTUS because he was black or said cute little catchy slogans

Is that anything like hating those who DIDN"T vote for this POTUS because he was/is black... ???

.... [brevity edit]...

Attack the premise...NOT the people with the premise (unless of course you are in actual "combat versus being on the internet).

My thoughts, respectfully submitted...

Lannister

[Billy L-bach]

I thought global warming was what ended the ice age...

[Longrifle]

I thought global warming was what ended the ice age...
Yeah. Clearly Neandertals had the same evil technology we do, and they didn't buy enough carbon offsets. Dumbasses.

[EchoFiveMike]

E5M

hey you need a job next year ?? Got any experience running incinerators?

I think we could use you

If I join you, do I get to kill the socialists?

How about starting at advanced pay grade if I bring my own tools?:biggrin:
S/F.....Ken M

[Steve83]

E5M

hey you need a job next year ?? Got any experience running incinerators?

I think we could use you

.......wait, wait, wait.


Are you guys recruiting? :smile:

[Amarillo]

Try to get away from hate, bro. The emotion will cloud your judgment. Try to understand where they are coming from, why they think that way, how they advance their agenda, and how it is so successful thus far. Only then will you learn how to counter them. Isn't that unconventional warfare?

The lies are told by both sides.

Well spoken. I am ready to follow you.
M60 For Jedi Council. (Or at least Congress.)

What does polar bear taste like? Is it true you shouldn't eat the liver?

[M.Pen]

Well spoken. I am ready to follow you.
M60 For Jedi Council. (Or at least Congress.)

What does polar bear taste like? Is it true you shouldn't eat the liver?

Well yes, you could get Vitamin A poisoning.

[adtexan]

I have been a pretty outspoken skeptic for years (among my circle of friends) that man caused global warming is a scam. These emails that were obtained are certainly interesting.

I highly recommend watching this video if you haven't already.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeY8oqAGhyA

[MikeC2W]

This will be/is being ignored, cap and trade will move forward as planned.

Nothing has changed, Al Gore still invented the internet and Florida will be under water in 10 years. Don't believe me.... ha

[MikeC2W]

And for those who still believe, it's just another example of how truly fucked we really are.

Unbelievable.

Your elected officials and scientist are lying to you on a scale probably never seen before, to fundamentally change the fabric of this country.....but if a few more hybrids are out there then that's just fine by me! Oh yeah! IF you think our government gives two fucking shits about the climate, then you're dumber than I thought.

In true leftist fashion science is being morphed to ideology, and if you try to disagree or try to voice opposition, then you are minimized, outcast, and ostracized. You're all a bunch of fucking lemmings. This is about control and power, not over a political party...over you and me.

[CarnageWhiskey]

This will be/is being ignored, cap and trade will move forward as planned.

Nothing has changed, Al Gore still invented the internet and Florida will be under water in 10 years. Don't believe me.... ha

Haven't heard anything about it on the news channels except for a little on Fox.

Glen Beck needs to get on this. :biggrin:

[Hog03]

If global warming is debunked how will Al Gore afford to fly around in his G5 trumpeting his cause?

[Titleist]

Haven't heard anything about it on the news channels except for a little on Fox.

Glen Beck needs to get on this. :biggrin:

Fox News has been on this. Also check out Breitbart.com. It's a news, opinion and blog aggregator. Lot's of info there. Drudgereport too. IMHO, this is one of, if not the biggest fraud ever perpetrated in my lifetime. Maybe ever.

[sfmedicw9]

thats newsworthy right there - the msm isnt covering this

i wonder if anyone can hack the MSM science reporters and managers to see how they fit into this travesty

[MikeC2W]

thats newsworthy right there - the msm isnt covering this

i wonder if anyone can hack the MSM science reporters and managers to see how they fit into this travesty

Having been out of the country for the last few weeks, I hadn't heard jack shit about this. But for one person mentioning it to me and this thread, it's a non issue.

We deserve whatever it is we get, although our children don't. I guess they can curse us later, right now let's just get out marxist on!

[Longrifle]

Guess ol' Al's carbon-based pucker factor just got raised a few more notches . . . :biggrin:

Scientists at the University of East Anglia have admitted throwing away much of the raw temperature data on which their predictions of global warming are based.

It means that other academics are not able to check basic calculations said to show a long-term rise in temperature over the past 150 years.
Link (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,577746,00.html)

It's a shame when science gets diluted by politics. It becomes unrecognizable as either.

[KJ]

I knew all this was bullshit some 18 years ago when I was standing on the side of a still active Mount Pinatobo, and the volcanologist that I was assigned to babysit told me; "Well, Mt. Pinatubo has just destroyed more of the ozone layer than all of man's efforts in our entire history."

BTW: The ashcloud from this volcano cooled the earth's temperature an entire degree! How's that for global cooling?

I was also noticing that the population of the planet has doubled since the 50's. A mere 50 or 60 years. What is the cumulative effect of all those new 98.5 degree, bees on a wasp (people on the planet)?

Just adding my two pesos worth.

[BKK]

I read this excellent article in the Wall Street Journal today. It really outlines the gravity of these emails.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703499404574559630382048494.html?m od=googlenews_wsj

Rigging a Climate 'Consensus'
About those emails and 'peer review.'

The climatologists at the center of the leaked email and document scandal have taken the line that it is all much ado about nothing. Yes, the wording of their messages was unfortunate, but they insist this in no way undermines the underlying science. They're ignoring the damage they've done to public confidence in the arbiters of climate science.

"What they've done is search through stolen personal emails—confidential between colleagues who often speak in a language they understand and is often foreign to the outside world," Penn State's Michael Mann told Reuters Wednesday. Mr. Mann added that this has made "something innocent into something nefarious."

The Australian Antarctic research station Casey, where scientists study the effects of climate change.
.Phil Jones, director of the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, from which the emails were lifted, is singing from the same climate hymnal. "My colleagues and I accept that some of the published emails do not read well. I regret any upset or confusion caused as a result. Some were clearly written in the heat of the moment, others use colloquialisms frequently used between close colleagues," he said this week.

We don't doubt that Mr. Jones would have phrased his emails differently if he expected them to end up in the newspaper. He's right that it doesn't look good that his May 2008 email to Mr. Mann regarding the U.N.'s Fourth Assessment Report said "Mike, Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4?" Mr. Mann says he didn't delete any such emails, but the point is that Mr. Jones wanted them hidden.

The furor over these documents is not about tone, colloquialisms or whether climatologists are nice people. The real issue is what the messages say about the way the much-ballyhooed scientific consensus on global warming was arrived at, and how a single view of warming and its causes is being enforced. The impression left by the correspondence among Messrs. Mann and Jones and others is that the climate-tracking game has been rigged from the start.

According to this privileged group, only those whose work has been published in select scientific journals, after having gone through the "peer-review" process, can be relied on to critique the science. And sure enough, any challenges from critics outside this clique are dismissed and disparaged.

This September, Mr. Mann told a New York Times reporter in one of the leaked emails that: "Those such as [Stephen] McIntyre who operate almost entirely outside of this system are not to be trusted." Mr. McIntyre is a retired Canadian businessman who checks the findings of climate scientists and often publishes the mistakes he finds on his Web site, Climateaudit.org. He holds the rare distinction of having forced Mr. Mann to publish a correction to one of his more famous papers.

As anonymous reviewers of choice for certain journals, Mr. Mann & Co. had considerable power to enforce the consensus, but it was not absolute, as they discovered in 2003. Mr. Mann noted in a March 2003 email, after the journal "Climate Research" published a paper not to Mr. Mann's liking, that "This was the danger of always criticising the skeptics for not publishing in the 'peer-reviewed literature'. Obviously, they found a solution to that—take over a journal!"

Mr. Mann went on to suggest that the journal itself be blackballed: "Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board." In other words, keep dissent out of the respected journals. When that fails, redefine what constitutes a respected journal to exclude any that publish inconvenient views.

A more thoughtful response to the emails comes from Mike Hulme, another climate scientist at the University of East Anglia, as reported by a New York Times blogger:

"This event might signal a crack that allows for processes of re-structuring scientific knowledge about climate change. It is possible that some areas of climate science has become sclerotic. It is possible that climate science has become too partisan, too centralized. The tribalism that some of the leaked emails display is something more usually associated with social organization within primitive cultures; it is not attractive when we find it at work inside science."

The response from the defenders of Mr. Mann and his circle has been that even if they did disparage doubters and exclude contrary points of view, theirs is still the best climate science. The proof for this is circular. It's the best, we're told, because it's the most-published and most-cited—in that same peer-reviewed literature. The public has every reason to ask why they felt the need to rig the game if their science is as indisputable as they claim.

[MikeC2W]

What's really funny (well not really) is how all of my liberal friends refuse to believe that perhaps the science isn't quite 'settled'. It's amazing to hear them either refuse to even speak of it, or simply 100% ignore it.

I pulled this from a Rasmussen article and emailed it to a bunch of pals....

But the e-mails suggest that CRU scientists have been suppressing and misstating data and working to prevent the publication of conflicting views in peer-reviewed science periodicals. Some of the more pungent e-mails:

"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow -- even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

"Can you delete any e-mails you may have had with Keith re AR4?"

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

"The fact is that we can't account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty we can't." OH SNAP!

"I'm getting hassled by a couple of people to release the CRU temperature station data. Don't any of you three tell anybody that the UK has a Freedom of Information Act!"

Not one response remotely came close to addressing the topic, mostly they attacked me...lol...imagine that, asking if I had taken my meds... which while humorous, is also 100% ignorant. For educated people to be so blinded, so closed to potential outcomes not in line with their ideology.

Unbelievable.

[sfmedicw9]

What's really funny (well not really) is how all of my liberal friends refuse to believe that perhaps the science isn't quite 'settled'. It's amazing to hear them either refuse to even speak of it, or simply 100% ignore it.



Its because in the liberal groupthink Global Warming has filled in for what most would call their religion

You cant change the mind of someone who has an entrenched dogma - whether its religion preached by the church or religion preached by Al Gore and the global warming zombies


If you dont stand for something then you'll fall for anything

[BKK]

I say we nominate that Hacker for the Nobel Prize! Maybe Al Gore can give him his!

[Titleist]

I say we nominate that Hacker for the Nobel Prize! Maybe Al Gore can give him his!

The evidence of fraud and manipulation is overwhelming. These people were given millions of dollars in grant money to come to agreed upon conclusions. The emails are all over the place. It's very difficult to "take them out of context" if you spend a little time.


http://www.nmfreepress.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1051&Itemid=216

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=34550

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_evidence_of_climate_fraud.html

[Greenhat]

Its because in the liberal groupthink Global Warming has filled in for what most would call their religion

You cant change the mind of someone who has an entrenched dogma - whether its religion preached by the church or religion preached by Al Gore and the global warming zombies

Bingo

[M.Pen]

Here's a good list of the annoying rhetorical tricks used by the alarmists:

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/11/my-top-10-annoyances-in-the-climate-change-debate/

An example:

"2. “Climate change denier”. A first cousin to the first annoyance. Again, thirty years ago, “climate change denier” would have meant someone who denied that the Medieval Warm Period ever happened. Or that the Little Ice Age ever happened. What a kook fringe thing to believe that would have been! And now, those of us who still believe in natural climate change are called “climate change deniers”?? ARGHH."

[BKK]

I am sorry, but I am just LOVING this Climategate shit!!!! Another great article from the WSJ blasting the fanatic Global Warming zealots.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703939404574566124250205490.html

Last year, ExxonMobil donated $7 million to a grab-bag of public policy institutes, including the Aspen Institute, the Asia Society and Transparency International. It also gave a combined $125,000 to the Heritage Institute and the National Center for Policy Analysis, two conservative think tanks that have offered dissenting views on what until recently was called—without irony—the climate change "consensus."

To read some of the press accounts of these gifts—amounting to about 0.00027% of Exxon's 2008 profits of $45 billion—you might think you'd hit upon the scandal of the age. But thanks to what now goes by the name of climategate, it turns out the real scandal lies elsewhere.

Climategate, as readers of these pages know, concerns some of the world's leading climate scientists working in tandem to block freedom of information requests, blackball dissenting scientists, manipulate the peer-review process, and obscure, destroy or massage inconvenient temperature data—facts that were laid bare by last week's disclosure of thousands of emails from the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit, or CRU.

But the deeper question is why the scientists behaved this way to begin with, especially since the science behind man-made global warming is said to be firmly settled. To answer the question, it helps to turn the alarmists' follow-the-money methods right back at them.

Consider the case of Phil Jones, the director of the CRU and the man at the heart of climategate. According to one of the documents hacked from his center, between 2000 and 2006 Mr. Jones was the recipient (or co-recipient) of some $19 million worth of research grants, a sixfold increase over what he'd been awarded in the 1990s.

Why did the money pour in so quickly? Because the climate alarm kept ringing so loudly: The louder the alarm, the greater the sums. And who better to ring it than people like Mr. Jones, one of its likeliest beneficiaries?

Thus, the European Commission's most recent appropriation for climate research comes to nearly $3 billion, and that's not counting funds from the EU's member governments. In the U.S., the House intends to spend $1.3 billion on NASA's climate efforts, $400 million on NOAA's, and another $300 million for the National Science Foundation. The states also have a piece of the action, with California—apparently not feeling bankrupt enough—devoting $600 million to their own climate initiative. In Australia, alarmists have their own Department of Climate Change at their funding disposal.

And all this is only a fraction of the $94 billion that HSBC Bank estimates has been spent globally this year on what it calls "green stimulus"—largely ethanol and other alternative energy schemes—of the kind from which Al Gore and his partners at Kleiner Perkins hope to profit handsomely.

Supply, as we know, creates its own demand. So for every additional billion in government-funded grants (or the tens of millions supplied by foundations like the Pew Charitable Trusts), universities, research institutes, advocacy groups and their various spin-offs and dependents have emerged from the woodwork to receive them.


.Today these groups form a kind of ecosystem of their own. They include not just old standbys like the Sierra Club or Greenpeace, but also Ozone Action, Clean Air Cool Planet, Americans for Equitable Climate Change Solutions, the Alternative Energy Resources Association, the California Climate Action Registry and so on and on. All of them have been on the receiving end of climate change-related funding, so all of them must believe in the reality (and catastrophic imminence) of global warming just as a priest must believe in the existence of God.

None of these outfits is per se corrupt, in the sense that the monies they get are spent on something other than their intended purposes. But they depend on an inherently corrupting premise, namely that the hypothesis on which their livelihood depends has in fact been proved. Absent that proof, everything they represent—including the thousands of jobs they provide—vanishes. This is what's known as a vested interest, and vested interests are an enemy of sound science.

Which brings us back to the climategate scientists, the keepers of the keys to the global warming cathedral. In one of the more telling disclosures from last week, a computer programmer writes of the CRU's temperature database: "I am very sorry to report that the rest of the databases seems to be in nearly as poor a state as Australia was. . . . Aarrggghhh! There truly is no end in sight. . . . We can have a proper result, but only by including a load of garbage!"

This is not the sound of settled science, but of a cracking empirical foundation. And however many billion-dollar edifices may be built on it, sooner or later it is bound to crumble.

[Steve83]

For those interested, an interesting Lecture by an MIT Meteorologist and Atmospheric physicist:

Its long, but it is very interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwM_B4-5gaE&feature=sub

[Princeps Belli]

Check Investors Business Daily. Good Articles on the subject if you put in the search terms. The Times and the Post gave about one paragraph to the explanation of the facts regarding the emails and another three to color the whole affair.

I have spent a considerable time researching environmental policy, and I just finished an internship at a nationally known think tank that has reviewed the question considerably. I might soon have something published on the matter. Yee-haw.

My experience has taught me that the truth about man-made global warming becomes more obscure, the more I search for it. I am almost ready to call it a hoax.

[MikeC2W]

It's snowing in Houston....lol....

[Greenhat]

More

http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=ZTBiMTRlMDQxNzEyMmRhZjU3ZmYzODI5MGY4ZWI5OWM=

[HighDragLowSpeed]

Drudge's headline today:

COPENHAGEN CLIMATE SUMMIT: 1,200 LIMOS, 140 PRIVATE PLANES...
Spews More CO2 than 60 Countries do in Entire Year -- COMBINED...

[8Ball]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34392959/ns/us_news-environment/?GT1=43001

We haven't heard too much about the scam. But, now after and "EXHAUSTIVE" investigation by the AP, Global Warming is again fact.
There you have it...:rolleyes:

[Billy L-bach]

...now that we know its fact
I am going back to using old school aerosol hair spray
and lots of it

drill holes in your mufflers, use extra lighter fluid on the charcoal... lets get this man made apocalypse under way so we can stop arguing about it

[Whitebean54]

...now that we know its fact
I am going back to using old school aerosol hair spray
and lots of it

drill holes in your mufflers, use extra lighter fluid on the charcoal... lets get this man made apocalypse under way so we can stop arguing about it

I agree...lets kick this shit off already.

BTW Billy L-Bach you have 666 posts...funny you should mention the apocaypse(Insert evil laugh)

[8Ball]

Wrong!
He's back to 656.
The world will toil on now...:biggrin:

[smittycolt]

It's pretty fucking simple. We breathe oxygen, plants breathe carbon dioxide. The extant plants can handle a sufficient percentage of carbon dioxide to maintain the correct balance. No need to pay for a non-existing "offset".

Climate change legislation is just another way to tax your fucking paycheck.

Why don't you obvious socialist wannabes just relocate to a socialist/marxist/communist country and leave the rest of us to our pursuit of life, liberty and happiness?

Fucking NPR drones.

[Whitebean54]

Wrong!
He's back to 656.
The world will toil on now...:biggrin:

Thats what I get for having a cracked screen:biggrin:

[USMCSWITCHUSARMY38B]

Global warming, HMMMMMM! What the heck is a carbon credit? Is that something you buy that makes it okay for you to pollute? Anyway Im old enough to remember when I was growing up and they were talking about a hole in the ozone layer. Now if you think about it we had a democrat in office just like we did when Gore was in. Now that this has come out I wonder what Al Gore is thinking now, to me this is a Madoff scam who made what off of this and how much, Im guessing it would dwarf the Madoff scandal. But at the sametime lets remember what G.H.W Bush talked about. Fuzzy math, looks like it has turned and grabbed a few people in the rear. Greed will get you no where but dead,broke or in jail for the rest of your life. At somepoint it will catch up to you..

[Billy L-bach]

It's pretty fucking simple. We breathe oxygen, plants breathe carbon dioxide. The extant plants can handle a sufficient percentage of carbon dioxide to maintain the correct balance.

...this opens up a new threat

VEGANS

...the more they eat, the less plants there are to balance the carbon footprint.

...less carbon dioxide means less grass for cows

...less grass equals less cows

...less cows equals less bacon double cheese whoppers

SUV's and aerosol hairspray isnt the cause of global warming

Its these damn vegans. I say "save a cow - eat a vegan"

[8Ball]

...this opens up a new threat

VEGANS

...the more they eat, the less plants there are to balance the carbon footprint.

...less carbon dioxide means less grass for cows

...less grass equals less cows

...less cows equals less bacon double cheese whoppers

SUV's and aerosol hairspray isnt the cause of global warming

Its these damn vegans. I say "save a cow - eat a vegan"

I would but I havent been able to find any hot ones who keep themselves "landscaped".:tongue:

[BKK]

Europe is in deep freeze....How could this possibly be???

"In Sweden, overnight temperatures dropped as low as -31 Fahrenheit (-35 Celsius) inland. Linkoping, a university town 125 miles (200 kilometers) southwest of Stockholm, recorded its lowest temperature since 1979, hitting -16 Fahrenheit, the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute said.

On Friday the agency reported that the Baltic Sea was covered by ice that was 40 centimeters thick in places.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_europe_snow

[Titleist]

Global warming? It's colder in the northern US and Europe than either poles right now.

Inhospitable, barren, and covered in snow and ice year round, the North and South Pole epitomize frigid conditions. Yet it's currently colder across the United States than at both poles.

The South Pole is the coldest place on Earth -- just take a look at the most recent images from the webcam at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, which captures a new picture of those freezing conditions every 15 minutes. But at present, it's merely -12 Fahrenheit.

The North Pole is normally significantly warmer than the South, but it's a chilly -17 up there right now, a temperature that must sound positively Caribbean to anyone living in, say, Bismark, North Dakota (-33 Fahrenheit at present).

Wind chills across the United States are bringing our sub-freezing temperatures as low as 50 degrees below zero, making large swaths of the country substantially colder than either pole.

It's colder from Dallas to Denver than it is at the South pole. North and South Dakota, Minnesota, and Iowa are recording temps ranging from 5 down to -18; With the wind chill, it feels -17 F in Topeka, Kansas. Even Memphis sits at 10 degrees, and around 0 with the wind chill. Temps at Sun Studios shouldn't feel like the South Pole.

The National Weather Service continually monitors weather conditions at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station in Antarctica, where it's currently -7 Fahrenheit. The mean temperature last year at Antarctica's South Pole was -54 Fahrenheit. The highest temperature ever recorded at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station was 7.5 F on Dec. 27, 1978, while the lowest was −117 F on Jun. 23, 1982. Brrr!

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration operates a North Pole webcam, deployed on an ice floe at the Pole. NOAA shuts down the cam over the winter due to the winter darkness, which lasts from October to March. In the dark of winter today, it's currently -17.

Brace yourself for a cold and blustery winter here at home ... or maybe pay a visit to balmy Antarctica.

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/01/08/think-antarctica-cold-try-america/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fscitech+%2528Te xt+-+SciTech%2529

[Justaclerk]

Global warming? It's colder in the northern US and Europe than either poles right now.


...the correct term is climate change which the Earth has always experienced and has caused extremes at both ends of the weather spectrum. Both Fox and the looney toons on the left are as usual being disingenuous.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years and 'knows' how to take care of itself. Mankind has been around for approximately 3 million years and still soils its collective pants. The issue should be how mankind adapts to the Earth rather than the other way around.

[Titleist]

...the correct term is climate change which the Earth has always experienced and has caused extremes at both ends of the weather spectrum. Both Fox and the looney toons on the left are as usual being disingenuous.

I've said it once and I'll say it again, the Earth has been around for 4.5 billion years and 'knows' how to take care of itself. Mankind has been around for approximately 3 million years and still soils its collective pants. The issue should be how mankind adapts to the Earth rather than the other way around.

You're preaching to the choir here amigo. My point was to illustrate the absurdity of the whole conversation... :biggrin:

[Justaclerk]

You're preaching to the choir here amigo. My point was to illustrate the absurdity of the whole conversation... :biggrin:

....I just find both sides (looney left and denier right) to be incredibly naive/ignorant/puerile when it comes to climate change.

Your point is well taken.

[Wootnik]

Yep, Man-made Climate change. Invented by the same person who invented the internet. That or man has made the ice caps melt on mars also. As far as climate change I feel the climate is always changing.

As far as pollution, I am against adding pollution to the air we breath but adding CO2 to the list of pollutants is just asinine.

[John6719]

Since this was brought back up....

I just happen to run across a show on the discovery channel or something similar about what some scientists plan to do about "global warming". They were making these ships with weird spiral shafts that stuck up in the air. In there computer animation, it showed these things spinning really fast and basically making clouds. The "scientists" where stating they could deploy these vesels all around the world's oceans and create cloud cover of the water which would help divert the warming effects of the sun.

My first thought was "what a bunch of fuckin retards". Then I stopped and thought again, "no retard would ever do something so stupid." I wonder how many millions of dollars of our money went into that research....

Note: I did not turn the channel to this, I just saw some weird ass shit and was wondering what the show was about. As soon as I heard "this is how we can curb global blah blah blah...., I changed the channel.

[MikeC2W]

and it just keeps coming...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6994774.ece

UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

[nofear]

The South Pole is the coldest place on Earth -- just take a look at the most recent images from the webcam at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, which captures a new picture of those freezing conditions every 15 minutes. But at present, it's merely -12 Fahrenheit.

You do realise it's the middle of summer down here, right?

[sfmedicw9]

You do realise it's the middle of summer down here, right?

:eek: wow how is that possible?? - how do you guys not fall off the planet? you guys have magnetic shoes?

and what up with your toilets flushing the wrong way?

I do find it pretty cool that it was colder in the US than at the south pole though - its one of those things that seem weird until you give it a thought

[Old_Starlight]

:eek: wow how is that possible?? - how do you guys not fall off the planet? you guys have magnetic shoes?
................

Gravity sucks! .................sorta like a girl I knew once.:p

[MikeC2W]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6999051.ece?token=null&offset=0&page=1

UN climate change expert: there could be more errors in report

Is this even being reported anywhere in the US?

[Titleist]

:eek: wow how is that possible?? - how do you guys not fall off the planet? you guys have magnetic shoes?

and what up with your toilets flushing the wrong way?

I do find it pretty cool that it was colder in the US than at the south pole though - its one of those things that seem weird until you give it a thought

Flushing the opposite direction? Hard to explain to my 15 year old. Was impossible to get her mind around the gravity/magnetic field concept. :(

[Longrifle]

Gravity sucks! .................
Watch it, now! Gravity is much more than just a good idea . . .

It's the law!

[MikeC2W]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/feb/21/sea-level-geoscience-retract-siddall

Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels


Other than Drudge, is this being reported anywhere in the US?

[btq96r]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/opinion/09friedman.html

I'm not saying if the views expressed are right or wrong. I just want to inderject a new thought in the convo.

To me any info presented on this debate has become so partisan skewed that it's hard to take rationally, but, IMO the 1% chance has it's validity.

[MakoZeroSix]

Climate scientists withdraw journal claims of rising sea levels


Other than Drudge, is this being reported anywhere in the US?

I find it very interesting that the UK press is reporting on this very closely. The Euros are all about some global warming.

[Mav]

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast20oct_1.htm

NASA does a beautiful job of showing that climate changes cannot be attributed to anthropogenic causes if merely because a) scientists are human; b) we are relying on computer models, not actual experiments (can't experiment on the climate).

Are there changes, yes. Could they be anthropogenic? Possibly. But you cannot state that IT IS SO, because you're stating now that what is a statistical value is now a fact. You cannot state "THIS IS SO" because a statistic tells you so. The same goes for relating current climate change to the possible climate changes researched by paleoclimatologists.

Do what's right, take care of what you got, and move out. Don't fear tactic me into believing something just because you say so. sorry, buddy, that doesn't work. While not a tree-hugger, I recycle... I'd prefer to walk than drive. Why not? Even if I was entirely selfish that makes sense.

People use "Anthropogenic Global Warming" as a fear tactic to get the majority of people to do what they want.

THAT is a falsity and should be acknowledged as such. It is NOT a fact. IT IS A THEORY.

[Titleist]

I find it very interesting that the UK press is reporting on this very closely. The Euros are all about some global warming.

This just keeps getting more delicious everyday. Al!!!! You got some splainin to do!! LOL ... :biggrin:

I couldn't capture the links to much more detail, so the article is here:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/02/23/inhofe-calls-gore-defend-climate-claims-congress



Senator James Inhofe (R-OK) today asked the Obama administration to investigate what he called “the greatest scientific scandal of our generation” — the actions of climate scientists revealed by the Climategate Files, and the subsequent admissions by the editors of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report (AR4).

Senator Inhofe also called for former Vice President Al Gore to be called back to the Senate to testify.

“In [Gore's] science fiction movie, every assertion has been rebutted,” Inhofe said. He believes Vice President Gore should defend himself and his movie before Congress.

Inhofe gave citizens a "Sneak Peek" into this report at his EPW blog Tuesday:

What emerges from our review of the emails and documents, which span a 13-year period from 1996 through November 2009, is much more than, as EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson put it, scientists who "lack interpersonal skills." Rather, the emails show the world's leading climate scientists discussing, among other things:

•Obstructing the release of damaging data and information;
•Manipulating data to reach preconceived conclusions;
•threatening journal editors who published work questioning the climate science "consensus"; and
•Assuming activist roles to influence the political process.
Inhofe continued:

We knew they were cooking the science to support the flawed UN IPCC agenda. As I said on the Senate floor back in 2005 that "the IPCC has demonstrated an unreasoning resistance to accepting constructive critiques of its scientific and economic methods, even in the report itself...this is a recipe for de-legitimizing the entire endeavor in terms of providing credible information that is useful to policy makers."

And back in 2003 I said blaming global warming on CO2 and other man made gases is the ‘greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people." I was right.

Those interested can read excerpts from this report here. The entire 84-page report is now available here.

Ed Morrissey interviewed Inhofe Monday, and posted videos of their discussion here.

It's going to be very interesting watching how this all gets reported in the next 24 hours by the global warming-obsessed media.

Stay tuned.

—Noel Sheppard is the Associate Editor of NewsBusters. Follow him at Facebook and Twitter.

[heavyguns1/1]

If a Congressional or Senate hearing determines that Mr Gore or any other private citizen committed a crime is a referral made to the Justice Department?

[Tracy]

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/09/opinion/09friedman.html

I'm not saying if the views expressed are right or wrong. I just want to inderject a new thought in the convo.

To me any info presented on this debate has become so partisan skewed that it's hard to take rationally, but, IMO the 1% chance has it's validity.

The article is just more BS. The main argument is to use VP Cheney's "1% Rule" to justify the Global Warming manifesto.


...This is not complicated. We know that our planet is enveloped in a blanket of greenhouse gases that keep the Earth at a comfortable temperature. As we pump more carbon-dioxide and other greenhouse gases into that blanket from cars, buildings, agriculture, forests and industry, more heat gets trapped...


This is disingenuous at best, full-on BS at worst. What's the breakout of greenhouse gases? First, greenhouse gases only constitute LESS than five percent of the total atmosphere. Nitrogen and Oxygen make up 99% of the atmosphere.

Greenhouse gas concentrations are variable by location and temperature. Water Vapor (0-4%), Carbon Dioxide (0.0387% - 400 to 103 times less than water vapor) and Methane (0.0002%) are called the greenhouse gases because they can absorb IR radiation; whereas nitrogen and oxygen are transparent to IR.

Right now, the best estimate is that 1/4 of the CO2 is man-made (0.0096%). That's between 1600 to 400 times less than water vapor.

So how does human CO2 production contribute to a net increase in global temperature?

More importantly, how significant is any reduction by humans?

Not and Not. Consensus is not science. No one has been able to show how 96 parts per million by volume (human CO2) is increasing temperature.

Mr. Friedman also refers to climate change, yet it's the possibility of a "living hell" that concerns him. Biased? Yep. He mentions one new publication by the World Meteorological Organization to emphasize the point, yet doesn't mention three major redactions by the IPCC in the last month or "Climate Gate".

This is important because he couches his whole argument around the premise of taking out 'insurance' to protect the globe. BS. The facts don't support his position. BTW, the term he needs is 'ensure', not insure.

[MikeC2W]

The article is just more BS. The main argument is to use VP Cheney's "1% Rule" to justify the Global Warming manifesto.



This is disingenuous at best, full-on BS at worst. What's the breakout of greenhouse gases? First, greenhouse gases only constitute LESS than five percent of the total atmosphere. Nitrogen and Oxygen make up 99% of the atmosphere.

Greenhouse gas concentrations are variable by location and temperature. Water Vapor (0-4%), Carbon Dioxide (0.0387% - 400 to 103 times less than water vapor) and Methane (0.0002%) are called the greenhouse gases because they can absorb IR radiation; whereas nitrogen and oxygen are transparent to IR.

Right now, the best estimate is that 1/4 of the CO2 is man-made (0.0096%). That's between 1600 to 400 times less than water vapor.

So how does human CO2 production contribute to a net increase in global temperature?

More importantly, how significant is any reduction by humans?

Not and Not. Consensus is not science. No one has been able to show how 96 parts per million by volume (human CO2) is increasing temperature.

Mr. Friedman also refers to climate change, yet it's the possibility of a "living hell" that concerns him. Biased? Yep. He mentions one new publication by the World Meteorological Organization to emphasize the point, yet doesn't mention three major redactions by the IPCC in the last month or "Climate Gate".

This is important because he couches his whole argument around the premise of taking out 'insurance' to protect the globe. BS. The facts don't support his position. BTW, the term he needs is 'ensure', not insure.

I read the article a day or so before you posted it here.

What Tracy said : 10x. I'm actually somewhat of a fan of Friedman, but that article is mostly crap. Typical liberal type generalizations, too complicated, 'what if', no proof scare tactics crap.

It's almost as good as my stupid friends who yell back at me, "LET'S JUST KEEP POLLUTING THEN!!!!! and SCORTCH THE EARTH!!!!".

Irrational at best.


This just in.... we need the jobs bill to solve the domestic abuse crisis!

[kosty]

This just in.... we need the jobs bill to solve the domestic abuse crisis!
"It's for the children"

[MikeC2W]

He's another take on it.... Where is Al Gore, our courageous AGW leader???

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/al_gore_is_lying_low_for_good.html

Maybe he's worried about ending up as ole Bernie's cell mate?

[Tracy]

He's another take on it.... Where is Al Gore, our courageous AGW leader???

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/02/al_gore_is_lying_low_for_good.html

Maybe he's worried about ending up as ole Bernie's cell mate?

This is tooo funny:

"...As investors learn the extent of the scam, Mr. Gore's start-up "green" companies will lose considerable value, like flaky dot-com companies lacking a real product. Investors in these "green" companies -- who reasonably relied upon Gore's alarming claims -- may pursue several possible remedies:

- derivative shareholder lawsuits, disgorging from Mr. Gore and other senior officers in these companies any illicit gains from any insider trading that could be proven; and/or

- lawsuits against brokers who did not perform the SEC's necessary "due diligence" research before peddling those shares; and/or

- civil RICO lawsuits against Mr. Gore and any IPCC scientists who participated in blocking the publication of contrary research, cooking the data, all of whose annual income skyrocketed from the public hysteria...."

Is it me, or does Cap-and-Trade look a lot like a Ponzi Scheme?

[SOTB]

Supposing, for just a moment, that global warming were true. And that it were the results of humans. Purportedly, it has caused birds in NA to get smaller (http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8560000/8560694.stm).

Now, everything I need to know about science, I get from the movies. And TV. And the internet. Mostly the internet. The sites with pictures.

And since the release of Jurassic Park, I've learned that birds are descendants from dinosaurs.

SO WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T WANT BIRDS TO GET SMALLER?

Sheesh....

[xfrogTX]

And since the release of Jurassic Park, I've learned that birds are descendants from dinosaurs.

SO WHO THE FUCK DOESN'T WANT BIRDS TO GET SMALLER?

Sheesh....
GREAT! Now I'm going to have night terrors over flying lizards coming to get me, THANKS!:p

[P38]

I was just reading about the weather in Barcelona, Spain earlier this week. They had twenty inches of snow on the 8th of March. When I first saw the headline I thought it was a joke. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/7401422/Barcelona-hit-with-heaviest-snowfall-in-25-years.html

[MikeC2W]

I think I like this guy!

James Lovelock: Humans are too stupid to prevent climate change

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/mar/29/james-lovelock-climate-change

"I don't think we're yet evolved to the point where we're clever enough to handle a complex a situation as climate change," said Lovelock in his first in-depth interview since the theft of the UEA emails last November. "The inertia of humans is so huge that you can't really do anything meaningful."

Personally I think our thought capabilities have devolved. I like what he says about skeptics and falsifying data.

If only we could have a one world government powerful enough to kill a few billion dolts, perhaps we might have the chance to save Gaia.

[OldSwabbie]

GREAT! Now I'm going to have night terrors over flying lizards coming to get me, THANKS!:p

Well, then its a good thing you dont live down in Boca Grande Florida... Iguana's were "flying", Ok.. well.. "Falling" out of trees because they were frozen from a record cold spell .. you know.. the proof of Global Warming... LOL..:biggrin: