CCT Enlistment info

[Always Jolly]

I know a young man that is very interested in enlisting in the AF soon, and he wants to go CCT. He's spoken to the recruiters but still isn't clear on a couple of specific points.

I tried the "chat" feature on the AF recruiting website, but after spending 15 mins getting canned non-responses that the asshat recruiter sent me I figured I would go straight to the experts.

1. Can he go straight in on a CCT contract? I understand this would require him to pass the PAST first. Can he take the PAST prior to enlistment?

2. If he can't take the PAST prior to enlisting, what happens if he busts the PAST? I assume he's required to select another AFSC.

3. Is the PAST a pass/fail, or does selection depend on how well you score?

4. On specialtactics.com I saw mention of an enlistment bonus. While he'll go in regardless, is a bonus available for first term enlistees?

Thanks again, I've checked and couldn't find these specifics elsewhere.

AJ

[SN]

1. Can he go straight in on a CCT contract? Yes

I understand this would require him to pass the PAST first. Can he take the PAST prior to enlistment?I believe it is required

2. If he can't take the PAST prior to enlisting, what happens if he busts the PAST? I assume he's required to select another AFSC. I doubt his recruiter will give him a contract without a PAST

3. Is the PAST a pass/fail, or does selection depend on how well you score?That's my understanding

4. On specialtactics.com I saw mention of an enlistment bonus. While he'll go in regardless, is a bonus available for first term enlistees?It was, you'd have to check the AFPC website to be sure

[Always Jolly]

1. Can he go straight in on a CCT contract? Yes

I understand this would require him to pass the PAST first. Can he take the PAST prior to enlistment?I believe it is required

2. If he can't take the PAST prior to enlisting, what happens if he busts the PAST? I assume he's required to select another AFSC. I doubt his recruiter will give him a contract without a PAST

3. Is the PAST a pass/fail, or does selection depend on how well you score?That's my understanding

4. On specialtactics.com I saw mention of an enlistment bonus. While he'll go in regardless, is a bonus available for first term enlistees?It was, you'd have to check the AFPC website to be sure

Thank you very much sir. I'll pass this along.

More to follow I'm sure.

AJ

[KamoKid]

If he wants do just do CTT and not much else then he can take the route I went when I joined.

1-Tell the recruiter to allow him to go GTEP. This is basically a contract stating he can get out of the AF should he not make it for some reason. This will allow him to join another branch should he wish. BUT, he can continue to stay AF should he wish also.

2-To do GTEP, you HAVE to take the PAST test prior to contract signing. It is a PASS/FAIL test, unless it changed since I took it.

3-The bonuses are great for first time enlistees. They change all the time but the last I saw was $18K for a 6 year contract. This also gives him E4 once he completes part of his training which is nice.

4-MOST IMPORTANTLY- I would go throw a STS recruiter for CCT, NOT a regular AF guy. I can give you his contact info if needed. He will make sure ALL these things are taken care of, as for the regular AF guy, I cannot promise that...

[johca]

1-Tell the recruiter to allow him to go GTEP. This is basically a contract stating he can get out of the AF should he not make it for some reason. This will allow him to join another branch should he wish. BUT, he can continue to stay AF should he wish also.Misguided information. Even without a GTEP contract people get out of the Delayed Enlistment Program (enlisted in inactive Reserve with understanding there is legal obligation to report to BMT and active duty at sometime within the next twelve months).


Before taking the PAST, applicants must: (1) Have passed the standard enlistment physical; and (2) Fill out AFRS IMT 7, Liability Release and Express Assumption of Risk – Physical Ability and Stamina Test (PAST).

This means to get GTEP requires meeting all entry eligibilities for job qualification which does not happen until visiting MEPS and getting accession medical examination and production ASVAB required for obtaining AF qualification Score and MAGE scores. The bottom-line is GTEP even for PJ and CCT is not an option until legal enlistment documents are signed indicating intent to voluntarily enlist and enter active duty military. People do argue you can quit Delayed Enlistment Program with no consequences but the truth and reality is getting out of DEP results in separation documents with separation codes (there are good codes and bad codes) that can prevent eligibility for subsequent enlistment and eligibility for commissioning programs such as AFROTC and OTS.

Also the prior service enlisting process has significant differences from initial-entry no-prior-service enlistment process.

[KamoKid]

^^ Like stated in the response, the system could have changed since I did mine...

I signed the GTEP paperwork with the head recruiter and mine after the PAST test. I then carried this paperwork SEALED in an envelope to the MEPS station about 2 weeks later with my recruiter.

At MEPS, the guys there opened the envelope and it had all my scores from the test along with my GTEP papers. These were used when they made my contract out for active duty. I was prior service so, like stated, could be different for the OP. **Make sure to keep copies of all these papers too!!**

I also set up a time before the PAST test to take a new ASVAB, so that was a good choice too. Did it at a Army Guard center near the house. Many places (schools, Guard centers, etc...) have the ability to give these test and might be closer than his recruiters place or where ever.

** OP- if the young man IS prior service be aware there is now a new system that was supposed to be put into effect. I think it was covered here a while back. Anyways, depending on his prior service MOS, schools/training, and awards he has to meet a certain number of points to be eligible to go CCT...

[johca]

For previous service (24 months of TAFMS or more without regard to regular component or continuous service) there is no Delayed Enlistment Program, the enlistment is connected to specific immediate needs of the Air Force. Simply, there must be a Previous Service requirement existing in the Military Personnel Data System (MilPDS) for the AFSC and the previous service applicant must meet all the prior service qualification requirements to include the enlistment grade determination. The enlistment is only confirmed after the previous service applicant swears into active duty, meaning there is a specific funded MilPDS previous service requirement being immediately filled that is above and beyond the budget production of initial entry no previous service enlistees and is a requirement that can not be filed by the Air Force’s career and NCO retraining programs.

During the late 1990 and before about 2005 both CTT and PJs had significant requirement shortfalls and previous service enlistment quotas were abundant. Regardless the GTEP similarity between Previous Service enlistment and nonprior service is not sufficient to make reliable comparisons.

Most people do not understand the GTEP contract. The GTEP contract does give legal binding obligation of the military service to provide training and initial duty assignment after getting training to perform duties of the promised AFSC. But GTEP obligation of the applicant is to get trained and qualified. The applicant who self initiates elimination from training or has a pattern of misconduct or unsuitability (btw PJ and CCT because of volunteer status of duties are one of the few jobs in the military services authorized to use unsuitability) to eliminate students from training (a formal board inquiry and action) voids the GTEP contract. The applicant who is eliminated due to failing to meet the standard to include minimum grade, and course completion time requirements may void the GTEP contract (depends whether the deficiency resulted from factors within the student's control). This is where previous service applicant (with or without a GTEP contract) will most often get the separation with no option of another job and the NPS with a GTEP contract may get the choice of another job or separation from active duty.

OP[/B]- if the young man IS prior service be aware there is now a new system that was supposed to be put into effect. I think it was covered here a while back. Anyways, depending on his prior service MOS, schools/training, and awards he has to meet a certain number of points to be eligible to go CCT...

PRIOR SERVICE SCREENING FOR CCT/PJ CANDIDATES (http://www.specialtactics.com/PSPOINTSYSTEM.pdf)

Apparently this prior service point system is now optional, but recommended. I’m presuming or assuming this is because something similar to the two phase selection process being used to select current active duty Air Force enlisted careers and NCO retraining applicants is being used. There is a Board of Functional managers and not AFPC that does a Phase I screening and selecting applicant for a Phase II screening. It is attendance and participation in phase II screening that gets the selectiion of the careers or NCO retraining applicant into the required training for award of PJ or CCT AFSC.

[SN]

I would steer him towards the Guard if he is near Louisiville or Portland.

[johca]

Or one of the Air Force Reserve PJ squadrons. The enlisting process is bit less uncertain as the actual end using operational Air Guard or AF Reserve RQS/STS unit is doing the selecting and screening for openings at their unit.

[TXGuy]

Hello,
I am currently active duty Marine Corps but have been looking into CCT since before I joined the military. I kinda got shafted by the AF recruiter(go figure, a recuiter lie to someone haha), and he ended up just gaffing me off. Does anyone know of a good link or contact to get in touch with who would have actual facts and information on this MOS, as many recruiters don't know much about the SF side of things. Another thing, I have never heard of a GTEP contract as the Marine Corps doesn't have choices like this. From what I have read you can sign one before ever leaving for training or MEPS? One last question, though I did see it above, I did not realize that you could get a SF job garunteed on a contract(Like CCT or PJ); so you don't have to go in for like security forces then try the selection process for these jobs? Sorry if these questions get asked a lot, but I would like to know for sure for someone who is either in or has personally done it rather than just heresay. Thanks to all out there for providing us with this valuable info!

[_4_]

Hello,
I am currently active duty Marine Corps but have been looking into CCT since before I joined the military. I kinda got shafted by the AF recruiter(go figure, a recuiter lie to someone haha), and he ended up just gaffing me off. Does anyone know of a good link or contact to get in touch with who would have actual facts and information on this MOS, as many recruiters don't know much about the SF side of things. Another thing, I have never heard of a GTEP contract as the Marine Corps doesn't have choices like this. From what I have read you can sign one before ever leaving for training or MEPS? One last question, though I did see it above, I did not realize that you could get a SF job garunteed on a contract(Like CCT or PJ); so you don't have to go in for like security forces then try the selection process for these jobs? Sorry if these questions get asked a lot, but I would like to know for sure for someone who is either in or has personally done it rather than just heresay. Thanks to all out there for providing us with this valuable info!

Not my lane, but since I am also AD USMC and have friends in the CCT and PJ fields go here http://specialtactics.com/. All questions answered.

If your looking to switch while on current USMC contract, you can't. Don't talk to a regular AF recruiter, find a Special Tactics recruiter they are all nice guys that will answer any question for you. I wish I still had the number of the one I talked to but no such luck.

Also, AF doesn't have SF.

[Markslams]

Anyone here know a ST recruiter that I can get ahold of? i've tried all the numbers on that special tactics site.