CBC Report on Women in the CF

[enderr]

I can't believe this nonsense. The two clips they're showing on the CBC, well the one with the RMC candidate pulling herself up the wall well I am sure she falls, but they cut it out. They don't understand that this means the Army will bend over backwards to appease the public and will once again lower it's standards.
Don't get me wrong, there are fit women in the CF and I think all this negative coverage is unfair. And the women they're using as a consultant...Sandra Perron, well I know she's the one that got tied to a tree, and was Tactically Questionned. What I'm not sure is, whether she asked to be platoon commander in Bosnia, and then halfway through the roto, said the job was too stressful, and asked to be replaced..geez. Kinder, gentler army..it'll be the downfall of us all.

[Enfield]

www.dnd.ca/menu/press/Reports/CFGIEE/toc-e.htm (http://www.dnd.ca/menu/press/Reports/CFGIEE/toc-e.htm)


It's long, but skim over it.. there's some scary statements made in there, and some definite attacks on the militay and military culture.

The End Draws Near....

[King]

I've read it.

I guess we can trace things like this back to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Women in the combat arms, recruiting quotas, the burreacuracy in DND... One of the things the Charter gets a lot of blame for is the relaxed training standards and disiplinary problems in the CF. I'm sure someone out there has read Significant Incident by Peter Bercuson, he devotes a good deal of space to the Charter and it's effects of the army. One of the examples he pointed out was that senior NCO's and officers cannot look in a soldiers barrack box without a warrent (don't know how true this is, maybe some people out there in the reserves or who have served can confirm) even though they may be searching for drugs or alcohol, or even racist literature. He also makes some contrasts between the "old" (1960's era) army and the "new" army.

Anyway, I was just curious about some of the opinions out there on how bad or good the Charter has been for the military and which type of army (if I can say that, I don't know how official these rankings are, different classifications could be used) should we be striving for, the old (pre-Charter) or the new (post-Charter), or a mix.

[garett]

I don't know about you guys but I've been told to open my barrack box a few times without the use of a warrent. My friend's barraks box was picked up and slammed on the floor shattering it by an RCR Sgt. on his RCR Battleschool. That human rights is bullshit, its had an effect but not that big of an effect.

[Enfield]

I've had mine gone through.... and on many courses having your barrack box/locker inspected is part of the daily inspection. Then again, I also got push ups for punishment, ran in combat boots and with a ruck on, did more than a brisk walk for PT, got less than 8 hrs sleep before a range, kept porn on course, partook in harassing a candidate until he quit, been sworn at and personally insulted by superiors extensively, drank while on ex, went into establishments of ill repute in DEU's, and other things. Big difference between what the CDS says and what the guys on the ground do.

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[King]

Yah, these are the kind of responses I though I'd get.

[towhey]

Just FYI...

If you're an NCO/Officer and you are inspecting personal spaces in barracks for cleanliness, similarity, and general military "bearing", then you will not likely need a warrant for anything.

If, however, you are acting on suspicion and actively looking for evidence of a crime (or, perhaps a military offence also), then you would be well-advised to obtain a search warrant. That way, it is far more likely that any evidence you discover will be usable in court -- military or civilian.

Obtaining a search warrant is not difficult and does not take a lot of time. If necessary, Commanding Officers can issue them (at least this was the case a few years back and I haven't heard of it changing). It requires the Officer/NCO to prepare and swear an affidavit (pro forma template) providing "reasonable" and "probable" grounds to conduct the search. If reasonable and probable grounds do not exist, they shouldn't be searching anyway.