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9533
23 December 2009, 07:07
I just watched Debbie Lee on Fox and Friends morning show. She and other military moms are speaking out against bringing the GITMO terrorists to the USA. She said her son died to keep terrorists from coming back to our country and now our politicians are bringing them to Illinois. Ms. Lee said it sickened her to hear the folks in DC justify their decision based on the almighty dollar. She said that her son and the other sons who died in Iraq/Afgan did not do their jobs for money! Very impressive lady....

9533
Good Day!

PS. When are the American people going to start electing adults again...I don't know how we are going to survive these non-hacking sleeves much longer!!!

Ralphie
23 December 2009, 07:34
While in this case, I happen to agree with Ms. Lee, it still irks me when the mothers of the fallen use their tragic circumstances as a platform to stump for one political cause or another. It bugged the hell of me when Cindy Sheehan did it, and it bugs me when people like Ms. Lee do it also. Their losses, though deeply tragic, does not somehow suddenly make her a policy expert or give them one shred more credibility than the average informed American.

KidA
23 December 2009, 09:48
Their losses, though deeply tragic, does not somehow suddenly make her a policy expert or give them one shred more credibility than the average informed American.

Ditto.

8Ball
23 December 2009, 17:57
While in this case, I happen to agree with Ms. Lee, it still irks me when the mothers of the fallen use their tragic circumstances as a platform to stump for one political cause or another. It bugged the hell of me when Cindy Sheehan did it, and it bugs me when people like Ms. Lee do it also. Their losses, though deeply tragic, does not somehow suddenly make her a policy expert or give them one shred more credibility than the average informed American.

One difference IMO.
Mrs. Lee is attempting to honor her sons sacrifice. Not to mention, I sure as hell bet she still supports the troops.
Ms. Sheehan was just pissing all over son's grave. She claimed to be woefully distraught and then we found out her son was estranged. She wasnt "Mommy of the Year" after all. I can relate with this in my situation.If my deadbeat mother showed up wailing and perpetrating being distraught over my death, I hope someone would tell her to sit down and STFU. And, Sheehan doesn't support much but furthering her cause and individual spotlight. And....I think she is a psycho...

low country
23 December 2009, 18:17
Everyone has a cause and it is our choice to agree or disagree with the platform. I agree and salute Ms Lee 100%. In the same note, I am sure that the other "news" networks will not even carry this at all.

Carl Spackler
23 December 2009, 18:19
I think a good ole fashion American federal lock up would do wonders for these scumbags. The population got to Dahmer and he only ate male prostitutes:eek:

GITMO for them is too cushy. Reopen Alcatraz and put um in the whole with the devil and feed um pulled pork on rice.

Believeraz
23 December 2009, 23:14
I had the honor of escorting Ms. Lee and another Gold Star Mother to an event a few years ago. They struck me as gracious, patriotic, and supportive as hell of the good guys.

Bravo Five Romeo
24 December 2009, 06:50
One difference IMO.
Mrs. Lee is attempting to honor her sons sacrifice. Not to mention, I sure as hell bet she still supports the troops.
Ms. Sheehan was just pissing all over son's grave.Actually, though I disagree with Ms Sheehan's politics, there is no diefference, except a difference of opinion depending on whether or not you agreed with her anti-war sentiment.She claimed to be woefully distraught and then we found out her son was estranged.Really? I googled and found similar accusations from the usual conservative blogs, but is there any proof to this?
Any proof she was actually estranged and didn't communicate with her son?
Didn't love him or genuinely mourn his loss?

Do we know that Sheehan's son disagreed with his mother about the war?
Do we know that Lee's son was opposed to holding terrorists's in US prisons?

...or do we just believe mothers are honoring their fallen sons when we agree with their politics and pissing on their graves when we don't?

Ralphie
24 December 2009, 12:00
Everyone has a cause and it is our choice to agree or disagree with the platform. I agree and salute Ms Lee 100%. In the same note, I am sure that the other "news" networks will not even carry this at all.

My argument is not that she doesn't have a right to promote her cause--she does. My pet peeve is her use of her dead son's tragic loss as justification for what it essentially a political platform, when one has nothing to do with the other. It's an appeal to emotion, instead of an appeal to facts and logic, and anyone that dares disagree with her is somehow "tarnishing the memory of her son." (All the above applies to Sheehan as well.)

Look, there are a number of very logical, valid, and legit reasons to keep Gitmo open (the first of which is, what are we going to do with these assholes if we close it?). That being the case, let's argue the facts. "You should support [insert platform here] because MY SON DIED FOR YOU!" is not a valid argument, and just feeds into the opposition's hands.

8Ball
24 December 2009, 14:16
Actually, though I disagree with Ms Sheehan's politics, there is no diefference, except a difference of opinion depending on whether or not you agreed with her anti-war sentiment.Really? I googled and found similar accusations from the usual conservative blogs, but is there any proof to this?
Any proof she was actually estranged and didn't communicate with her son?
Didn't love him or genuinely mourn his loss?

Do we know that Sheehan's son disagreed with his mother about the war?
Do we know that Lee's son was opposed to holding terrorists's in US prisons?

...or do we just believe mothers are honoring their fallen sons when we agree with their politics and pissing on their graves when we don't?

Actually, according to this http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/sheehan.asp, you are right.
I don't read "conservative blogs".
You are also correct. I fucking despise everything she stands for and her as a whole.
Additionally, I never stated one way or the other if either Troops believed in the war or the methods of incarceration. It's a non-issue with me.
Right... Wrong? I don't really care. Its my opinion and I stand by it.