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Domino
31 December 2009, 12:25
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2009/dec/31/marine-general-now-faces-charge/

David Vincent Weber arrived last month at a Ramona Veterans of Foreign Wars event in style: two stars on his shoulder and two Purple Heart medals pinned on the front of a Marine Corps uniform.

Weber, 69, appeared in a federal courtroom in downtown San Diego yesterday with considerably less pomp. He faces a charge under the 2005 Stolen Valor Act of wearing military medals he didn’t earn while passing himself off as a Marine major general at VFW Post 3783’s birthday celebration for the Corps.

Weber didn’t enter a plea, was allowed to post bail and was appointed an attorney at federal government expense during a hearing in U.S. District Court.

Weber’s attorney, Joseph Camden, said the Ramona resident has a long list of medical problems, including prostate cancer, Parkinson’s disease and three previous strokes. He takes 18 medications and is under the care of a psychiatrist, Camden said.

Federal prosecutor Arthur Rizer said the U.S. Justice Department is considering whether to pursue felony charges against Weber. The hearing involved one misdemeanor charge, filed Dec. 23, that carries a maximum sentence of a year’s imprisonment.

Rizer said Weber was shown considerable courtesy at the November VFW event because of his assumed rank and prestige, including being allowed to eat the first piece of cake — an honor usually extended to the oldest Marine at the gathering. In addition to the Purple Hearts, Weber wore five Legion of Merit honors, the prosecutor said.

“He took the spotlight from individuals who did earn the medals they were wearing,” Rizer said.

Weber, who walked with a wooden cane and wore a hearing aid, refused to comment after leaving the courtroom.

The commander of the Ramona VFW post said he feels sorry for Weber and hopes the court is lenient — even though it appears the “general” didn’t deserve the respect he was given.

“He sold it pretty well, mainly because of his age. People tend not to question an older gentleman,” said Dale Smith, a retired Navy master chief.

“Unfortunately, he didn’t end up being a gentleman.”

Doug Sterner, who runs the Web site homeofheroes.com, follows similar cases around the country. It’s not uncommon for people to masquerade as high-ranking military officials, Sterner said. They do it not just to fluff their egos, but to get perks, such as gifts and waived fees, from people who respect veterans.

“There are free dinners, and you can probably walk into just about any clubhouse in the country and drink all night,” said Sterner, whose Web site chronicles real medal winners. “There is definitely a financial side to it.”

Weber’s story started to unravel after the Ramona Sentinel newspaper ran a photograph of him at the VFW event. In the picture, taken Nov. 7, the stars are visible on Weber’s shoulders and his chest bears two gleaming rows of medals. It was accompanied by a long story detailing Weber’s career in the Marines.

Smith said some veterans at the VFW event began to wonder about Weber’s résumé, because he wore medals that didn’t seem to make sense. For instance, his aircrew medals — as both an enlisted man and an officer — didn’t mesh with his story.

A few days later, the Sentinel had a second article on Weber with the headline: “The two-star general who wasn’t.” In that account, Weber apologized and said he did serve in the Marines from 1958 to 1967 and achieved the rank of staff sergeant.

At that point, according to the story, Marine Corps headquarters in Quantico, Va., knew about Weber’s tall tales and had instructed him to stop wearing the two-star general’s insignia.

In court yesterday, the prosecutor said Weber served 18 months for a felony theft conviction in 1994, but details of that crime weren’t given.

Rizer also said Weber still has a military identification card that says he is a major general. The prosecutor asked that U.S. District Judge Ruben B. Brooks force Weber to surrender the card, but the defense attorney countered that the demand violated Weber’s rights. Brooks set a hearing for this morning on that point.

After that, Weber’s next day in court is expected to be a Jan. 14 preliminary hearing.

Dark Helmet
31 December 2009, 12:37
The prosecutor asked that U.S. District Judge Ruben B. Brooks force Weber to surrender the card, but the defense attorney countered that the demand violated Weber’s rights. Brooks set a hearing for this morning on that point.

Amazing. Just when I thought I had seen it all.

We've got a douchebag posing as a two-star, we try to get his fake two-star ID, his douchebag government-provided-and-funded lawyer cries foul, and a hearing is set to address whether forfeiting the ID is legal.....all at the expense of the American taxpayer. Lawyers (both sides), court, judge, etc etc....

Shining example of something very wrong in this country of ours, folks.

I mean, seriously....what the fuck? Stick this aging douchebag in a room with a couple real retired two-stars and close the shades. It would be over in three minutes and we'd have the fake ID back...at the whopping cost of $17 to replace a walking cane that would be stuck up his ass.

billdawg
31 December 2009, 13:18
Because being in the Corps for nine years and achieving the rank of SSGT isn't good enough, I guess.

Domino
31 December 2009, 13:30
One wonders where he got the ID card.

GPC
31 December 2009, 17:45
He should get the max IMO.The ID should be seized as evidence.

CAP MARINE
31 December 2009, 17:53
easy,convict him and send him to St.Louis federal medical facility.

SN
31 December 2009, 18:02
File additional charges "impersonating a federal official"; I bet he'd hand that ID card over pretty fast.

eltrane
1 January 2010, 03:19
I got a couple canes they can have for free.

Starlight
1 January 2010, 05:44
Because being in the Corps for nine years and achieving the rank of SSGT isn't good enough, I guess.

I am never going to understand why doing your job to the best of your ability is not good enough for some people...

Ranger1
1 January 2010, 05:58
...at the whopping cost of $17 to replace a walking cane that would be stuck up his ass.

First good chuckle of the New Year. Cheers DH.:biggrin:

bubblehead
3 January 2010, 00:08
!@#!@

LongWire
3 January 2010, 01:09
Amazing. Just when I thought I had seen it all.

We've got a douchebag posing as a two-star, we try to get his fake two-star ID, his douchebag government-provided-and-funded lawyer cries foul, and a hearing is set to address whether forfeiting the ID is legal.....all at the expense of the American taxpayer. Lawyers (both sides), court, judge, etc etc....

Shining example of something very wrong in this country of ours, folks.

I mean, seriously....what the fuck? Stick this aging douchebag in a room with a couple real retired two-stars and close the shades. It would be over in three minutes and we'd have the fake ID back...at the whopping cost of $17 to replace a walking cane that would be stuck up his ass.


Agree completely. Throw the book at him. Make him work as a TCN at one of the remote FOB's in Afghan, hell that's probably too good for his ass!!!

Flying Pig
3 January 2010, 02:03
Gold Jump Wings and Enlisted Combat Aircrew? Nice selection.

JDAM
3 January 2010, 11:22
The commander of the Ramona VFW post said he feels sorry for Weber and hopes the court is lenient

I don't understand this type of logic coming from the VFW post commander...

KidA
3 January 2010, 11:32
I don't understand this type of logic coming from the VFW post commander...

I guess it depends on the dude's mental capacity. I mean if he is insane and thinks he's a MG there's not a whole hell of a lot you can do about it. Will he even know why he's being punished? Can you even convince him he's not a MG?

Having known people who have mental illnesses I can have some sympathy for this, even as a veteran. Yes it's Stolen Valor, but is it really? I mean can you really explain to some dude in a mental institution that they aren't really an airplane?

Now the mentally capable? Fuck them, but the insane and delusional? Is it really worth getting your dander up? I only mention this because the article states he's under the care of a Psychiatrist.

JDAM
3 January 2010, 11:42
True...and you make some good points KidA, but I like Dark Helmet's approach to things here. ;)

Everyone and their mom is "under the care of a psychiatrist" nowadays...

Fuck him either way.

JDAM
3 January 2010, 11:46
Or...we could just have you superman punch him in the face :biggrin:

KidA
3 January 2010, 11:48
Or...we could just have you superman punch him in the face :biggrin:

And I would, as soon as it's declared that he was aware of what he was doing. :biggrin: If he wasn't aware I may just stick my foot out and trip up that cane...

tangodown
3 January 2010, 13:28
One wonders where he got the ID card.

Here a guess "Online"

http://policebadgestore.wordpress.com/

:eek:

JDAM
3 January 2010, 14:52
We shouldn't link to that site, just a thought...

Spot379th
3 January 2010, 15:51
Agree completely. Throw the book at him. Make him work as a TCN at one of the remote FOB's in Afghan, hell that's probably too good for his ass!!!

Here's a better idea, put him in with the guy who thinks he's Napoleon; that way he won't be cluttering the A-stan countryside...

troy2k
3 January 2010, 16:01
Seriously? No one raised a brow on this?

RhodieBKK
3 January 2010, 16:43
Here a guess "Online"

p*lice b*dge st*re
:eek:

How the hell is this UK company getting this merchandise,
let alone selling it?
If they can get such badges it would appear that this would be an easy way for the bad guys
to circumvent any airport security, or even a bank, with the correct shutzpa!

KimberChick
3 January 2010, 17:29
How the hell is this UK company getting this merchandise,
let alone selling it?
If they can get such badges it would appear that this would be an easy way for the bad guys
to circumvent any airport security, or even a bank, with the correct shutzpa!

Anyone who works legitimately for any police agency will have a department issued photo id and a numbered badge.

It is not illegal to have the badge, it is illegal to use it to impersonate an officer.

People have been getting fake ID's forever....take a look at all the illegals with fake driver's licenses. There were some here in NC that were really good quality. If there's a will, there's a way.

Here's an example:

http://www.ice.gov/pi/nr/0810/081024houston.htm

JDAM
4 January 2010, 12:55
How the hell is this UK company getting this merchandise,
let alone selling it?
If they can get such badges it would appear that this would be an easy way for the bad guys
to circumvent any airport security, or even a bank, with the correct shutzpa!

They can be owned for collectible purposes, only when used in an official manner is it illegal. Legally, you can have all the official badges and ID's all you want (to a certain extent), but the minute you flash one and try to pass yourself off as something you are not, well my friend...farewell...

phoenixtriad
4 January 2010, 14:57
How the hell is this UK company getting this merchandise,
let alone selling it?
If they can get such badges it would appear that this would be an easy way for the bad guys
to circumvent any airport security, or even a bank, with the correct shutzpa!

There are plenty of those types of sites out there, mainly based in Europe, but some of the production takes place in the US.

Sadly, the "getting" part is not difficult. My agency grabs people with fake badges all the time, and once in a while we can track them to a source. A relatively unskilled person just needs one original badge to make molds and enamel changes to their heart's content, leading to countless designs that either are outright copies of real badges, or similar to real badges but with bogus titles, etc. If you could see what one person in his garage with a cheap equipment setup could do, imagine what a large-scale operation can do, in terms of both design and volume. Funny thing is, with all of these fools paying top-dollar for the repros, the vendors tend to make them even more cheaply to increase volume. I am no expert on the process but I have heard of one vendor who was using super-cheap pot metal or whatever it is called, for the badge itself, then coating it with a layer of plating (for lack of a better term). However once the junk plating got even a scratch or a nick in it, the whole badge would fall apart from the inside metal being so cheap that the outer plating was holding it all together.