Things Men Should Know

[0699]

Mako Zero Six's thread and some of the comments in it (no, not those comments...) got me to thinking. Here's the question.

What things should boys learn or be taught before they become men? As the father of a 13 YO boy, I find this question crossing my mind more & more often.

Shooting. Check.
Respect for women. Check.
Jump starting a car. On the list.
Taking off a woman's bra. Also on the list; maybe he needs to learn that on his own...

Ideas?

[HighDragLowSpeed]

Dont get married before 30.

[Scratchy]

If not in-depth, at least simple car repair (also how to pop-start a manual transmission). How to cook (ladies love a man who can cook). And it might seem strange but I think learning a 2nd language is another important one.

[Whitebean54]

How to grill meat and be able to cook one meal. Like something off the food network...not ez-mac, the ladies will love this

[random]

How to parallel park.

[Whitebean54]

How to win a fight....not how to fight.

[Gypsy]

How to grill meat and be able to cook one meal. Like something off the food network...not ez-mac, the ladies will love this

This is a good one. Doesn't have to be a fancy meal either...just something that is well rounded and done well.

[Longrifle]

Honesty, honor, teamwork. Respect for persons, property, and privacy.

A solid work ethic.

Have him memorize Kipling's poem, "If" and be prepared to explain it.

And most importantly, how to choose carefully the company he keeps.

[Scratchy]

I keep thinking of more: How to properly build a fire (in a wood-stove, fireplace, and outdoors).Steer a car out of a skid. Get a car unstuck. One or two old games (like Gin, or Backgammon) and be able to shuffle cards without spreading them all out on the table (I just lived with a kid who did that, it was pathetic). How to order, and deal with a server/bartender without looking like a dick.

[universible]

Hell, don't leave out the girls...every kid should know basic stuff.

I'd throw out how not to get into fights, resolve conflict not promote it.

Definitely basic car repair: jump start a car, oil change, basics diagnostics stuff (spark, gas, etc). Then driving skills.

Trusting intuition and situational awareness. Not sure how you best teach some of that stuff...

[TakeshiX]

And it might seem strange but I think learning a 2nd language is another important one.

This is not even remotely strange. It is proven fact that children learn different lanquages far faster than adults. Its a definate consideration. I would even encourage this at far younger than 13 if possible.

For the US I would consider at the very least Hispanic with the trend toward cultural population levels in the US it will almost certainly become very important.

I think I read somewhere that Hispanics will be the majority very soon.

But don't stop there give this some thought and even encourage some of the more unqiue lanquages as they will definately be useful to someone somewhere.

We had a guy in basic and AIT that was going straight to Airborne and then Q-course becasue he could speak Tibetian. I always wondered what happened to him and where he went.

[Lannister]

1.) How to spit
2.) Put on a pressure dressing/TQ
3.) How to do a proper pushup
4.) How to swim
5.) How to clean a gun
6.) When advised of his right to remain silent... exercise it and STFU...!!!!
7.) Never abandon a buddy... never "enable" a buddy to his detriment
8.) Never make a promise you can't/don't intend to keep
9.) How to cut his own hair using several mirrors
10.) NEVER ever look in womens panties because the vagina is a self cleaning organ and if you do... you may change your mind...!!!

[RetPara]

Basic carpentry skills - How to hang a door, How to measure and cut a piece of plywood to cover a window, how to build a birdhouse

Basic plumbing skills - how to cut and 'sweat' copper pipe, how to cut and glue PVC. how to join PVC to copper and reverse, fix a faucet or replace it

How to run a chainsaw, use an axe, spiliting maul, wood saw

HOW TO WASH THEIR OWN CLOTHES and LINEN's, how often to change their own sheets

If they are taught to cook, how to clean up the kitchen afterward and put it all away!!!

Situational awareness....

How to avoid getting in a fight and how to win one if needed.

[grog18b]

If you teach a kid how to hunt, fish, and shoot, he will never be without food, and be able to protect himself and his loved ones.

[ET1/ss nuke]

Cunnilingus. If you're good enough at it, she'll do everything else gladly.

[John6719]

Basic mechanical knowledge such as (some may not apply, this is what I would ensure a boy of mine knows):

-Operating a diesel vs gas vehicle (No 1 & No 2 diesel fuel)
-AC vs DC current & where each is used
-How to read a tape measure
-Basic tool knowledge
-How to weld
-Basic electrical, plumbing, and carpentry (it is a huge plus being able to fix that busted water line on Sunday rather than paying $??? to get a plumber to your house)

How to grow a garden. Just in case... Someday he may find a women that wants a garden but doesn't know what she's doing. HUGE brownie points!

IMO, make sure he spends lots of time around people, old, young, everyone, so he learns how to deal with many different types of personalities. This will help him out in everything he does-from job interviews to job performance to talking his way out of a bad situation.

RESPECT

That sometimes with women it's best to just shut-up and let them talk/cry, don't try to fix the problem all the time.

How to handle money. This is something that IMO, should be taught from a very young age. Get them in a habit and it will follow them through their life.


Disclamer: I am not a father, never have been, but these are just things that I feel are important.

[Gryfen-FL]

how to choose carefully the company he keeps. AMEN!

To that list, I would add caring for a dog.

Not the 'oh, daddy I want a puppy' bullshit....but to really and truly be responsible for the welfare of another living being.

[Hot Mess]

Don't get married before 40.

Fixed it for you. Must have been a typo;)

[Hot Mess]

I would even encourage this at far younger than 13 if possible.


By the age of 5 or so a child has "pruned" their brain of the branched necessary to learn another language fairly easily;)

[NWPTrainer]

AMEN!

To that list, I would add caring for a dog.

Not the 'oh, daddy I want a puppy' bullshit....but to really and truly be responsible for the welfare of another living being.


x1000.

I'm really enjoying this list, since they are skills that I believe every man should know as well. The only one I would add so far.....

how to ride a horse. Including tacking up and grooming. How to handle a horse in less-than-perfect terrain. While it's admittedly, not the most commonly necessary skill, it is a part of the classical education of a man, and as Teddy Roosevelt (and Will Rogers) said, "The best thing for the inside of a man, is the outside of a horse."

[Justaclerk]

Cunnilingus. If you're good enough at it, she'll do everything else gladly.

....some things need to be discovered on their own. :biggrin:

[0699]

Cunnilingus. If you're good enough at it, she'll do everything else gladly.

Some really good ideas here. Once this thread finishes I think I'll need to crop these ideas into a word document and use it as a checklist for the next few years.

All except the above. Not sure how I could teach this one and not even sure if I should... :confused:


Some of this stuff he knows (2nd year of spanish already) and some I'm hoping he's picking up by observation. So far I've tried to teach him the big five rules (IMO) for succeeding in life. Following these should put him ahead of 95% of his peers.

1) Stay physically fit
2) Do well in school; learn every day
3) Don't do drugs
4) Never let anyone talk you into anything
5) Never do anything you know isn't right

[John6719]

x1000.

I'm really enjoying this list, since they are skills that I believe every man should know as well. The only one I would add so far.....

how to ride a horse. Including tacking up and grooming. How to handle a horse in less-than-perfect terrain. While it's admittedly, not the most commonly necessary skill, it is a part of the classical education of a man, and as Teddy Roosevelt (and Will Rogers) said, "The best thing for the inside of a man, is the outside of a horse."

x2

When you learn something like this, you learn a lot more than just "how to ride a horse."

[smoked]

PERFECT thread!!! I keep a journal/diary for the son I mentioned in the other thread and in that journal I try to end each entry with a little tidbit of a lesson - a lesson from a father to a son. This is great for that journal.

In no particular order....

1. Tie a tie - amazing how many men can't do this PROPERLY.
2. Hot as possible water when shaving. Against the grain for tight.
3. Always know where the exits are.
4. Help others in an emergency.
5. "It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice."
6. "That which you do for yourself dies with you. That which you do for others remains."
7. Shoetrees. Maintains shape and keeps toes from curling up.
8. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"
9. When someone is down, help them up.
10. "It's better to live one day as a tiger than a thousand days as a sheep."
11. Character. It's all about character.
12. Measure twice, cut once.
13. When carrying something loose down the stairs (like a blanket), carry it behind you.
14. Don't EVER be a bully.
15. Protect those who are bullied.
16. Don't ever lie, cheat or steal.
17. Get up. Always.

[Scratchy]

3) Don't do drugs

On this note I'd like to add something my parents always said to me. Between their constant badgering of "don't do drugs, don't drink till you're 21, etc." they always added 'BUT if you do, and you need help, no matter where you are, or how drunk you are CALL us. We will come get you and do not worry about getting in trouble because we first and foremost want you to be alive." This was something that they always made sure I understood, and didn't just hear... I never had any of that "I'll do drugs to rebel against my parents phase" that a lot of kids seemed to have, and I think it's partially because of that promise they always gave me. I'm not a father, nor could I pretend to understand what kids even younger then me are going through these days, but I just wanted to throw that out there for what it's worth.

[KimberChick]

"That which you do for yourself dies with you. That which you do for others remains."

I am stealing this...because I really think some people in the world today can take a lesson from it.

My view as a woman...

I always remembered the guys that were nice and didn't try to get in my drawers when everyone else was....they would get what the others were looking for in the end. ;)

The guys that had charisma and charm, not phoney lines, always stood out among the others...educated men that could converse about present day events and some things other than sports once in a while fit the bill.

[J2S]

16. Don't ever lie, cheat or steal.

or tolerate those that do....



Great post, Smoked.

[trident86]

<DL><DD>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." <DD>— Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love (http://www.socnet.com/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love) </DD></DL>

[Greenhat]

R.A. Heinlein was a smart man.

[adtexan]

1) Think for your self. Not be a mindless follower of a political party.

2) Know how to brew your own beer.

3) Know how to hunt, fish and garden.

[Sharky]

If you say you are going to do something, fucking DO it. Your word, your integrity as a man, is one of the most important things you possess. It is easily lost, and hard to get back.

[NWPTrainer]

<DL><DD>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." <DD>— Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love (http://www.socnet.com/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love) </DD></DL>


That's one of my favorite quotes from "modern" literature. I've strived to live my life by that right there!

[smoked]

That's one of my favorite quotes from "modern" literature. I've strived to live my life by that right there!

Okay, where's the sonnet? :biggrin:

[Expatmedic]

Travel.
College. The only choice he should have is which one he wants to attend.
How to do housework.
How to cook.
Make him go to work, even if it sucks.
Teach him how to balance a check book.
Live within his means.
The importance of saving money.
Self respect.
Close family ties.

Just my humble list of things I wish my parents would have done with me.

[NWPTrainer]

Okay, where's the sonnet? :biggrin:


I've not written a sonnet, but I have had several pieces of cowboy poetry published, so bite me fanboy!:biggrin:

[67 Fastback]

The truth is rarely as gilded as anyone has ever told you it was.

Life is full of small disappointments.

Understand that you don't have to be one of them.

[Bravo_One_Three]

How to:
Correctly use a hammer (not a nail gun) a saw (Hand, Miter, Saber and Circular) square, tape measure, chalk line and level.
Putting tools away as you're done with them, and cleaning up the floor.
Grow a vegetable garden.
Cook one meal each: Chicken, Fish, Beef and Pasta.
Proper gun safety and marksmanship.
Use a lensatic compass.
Identify key stars (Polaris, Arcturus, Vega, Sirius, Altair, Deneb)
Use a bow and arrow (my sons are into using an Atlatl... it's more manly than a bow)

[NWPTrainer]

(my sons are into using an Atlatl... it's more manly than a bow)
Nice!!!!

-start a fire in the outdoors without the benefit of matches.
-build a shelter in the woods.

[Boats]

1. Ya got one shot.

2. It's a slow reload.

[Bravo Five Romeo]

How to avoid conflict with others, but be prepared to fight to the finish.
Tough talk is the tool of cowards.

[random]

On this note I'd like to add something my parents always said to me. Between their constant badgering of "don't do drugs, don't drink till you're 21, etc." they always added 'BUT if you do, and you need help, no matter where you are, or how drunk you are CALL us. We will come get you and do not worry about getting in trouble because we first and foremost want you to be alive."

I did that with my brother. So far it has seemed to work. Knock on wood.

[Ranger1]

Besides the excellent list everyone else had volunteered...

.... good handful of Hero skills (skydiving, fencing, climbing, scuba, horse riding, survival, fieldcraft, first aid, climbing, archery, motorbiking, shooting, etc)...just in case that certain someone needs to be rescued from the top of that castle tower one day.

And always take a frisbee. Everywhere.

[Blackjack78]

<DL><DD>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." <DD>— Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love (http://www.socnet.com/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love) </DD></DL>

I'm screwed!

[M.Pen]

Dont get married

Sorry, had to modify that statement. :biggrin:

After seeing many men , friends, acquaintances and near strangers get completely f*cked over in divorce, i really don't think i'll ever marry.

Yeah , there's some great women out there but dammit, it seems that the bad ones are so f**king skilled at masquerading as one of the good ones.

[GPC]

Keeping ones word.
Respect for ones elders at all times.
Watching ones mouth around ladies.

[Ole crusty bastard]

Don't worry about missing something in his education, he has a retired Jarhead as a father, he has an good example to learn from.

The most important thing is to keep the commo open.

He will be making mistakes, it's his life and not all lessons are learned from you. You accept him for who he is and always express your love.

[TennesseeDave]

Limit the time playing video and PC games. I see grown men that spend 10-12hours a day playing games. There's nothing wrong with entertaining yourself for a few hours, but don't let it become your life.

Learn to play a musical instrument. And let him pick the instrument. If he tries it and doesn't like it, that's cool. But he may love it and take off with it.

[Amarillo]

Know how to sew a button.

(R.A. Heinlien's list was better, but right now I need a button.)

[Dutch8654]

Cunnilingus. If you're good enough at it, she'll do everything else gladly.

Word...but remember the "enemy" can also use that one against you.

[KidA]

I remember in some book I read (and not discounting any of the other advice already given) that a gentleman's role is to make like easier for everyone around them. When you think about it that really encompasses everything already said.

When you consider your role is to make things easier you:

are not late, without calling to let someone know,
RSVP to invitations,
are not loud and obnoxious and embarassing to your friends,
know how to fix things,
can step in at the last moment to salvage a dinner, or make cocktails to make everyone forget dinner was burned,
know how to both listen and how to guide a conversation,
do not make yourself the center of attention with your voice, but know how to be the center of attention with your presence and actions,

and so on and so forth.

[Axe]

Some of these are repeated, some aren't:

Know how to hold a baby.
Know how to properly break up a fight.
Know how to keep out of fights, but know how to win the fight if you can't keep out of it.
Know how to tell 2 legged predators you aren't a good victim.
Know how to survive outdoors.
Know how to get unlost in the outdoors.
Know how to care for, saddle, and ride a horse.
Know how to operate a boat.
Know how to drive a stick shift car.
Know how to ride a motorcycle.
Know the basics of how cars work.
Know how to cook, clean, and sew for oneself.
Know how to do at least BASIC carpentry, electrical, and plumbing, and use the tools that go with them.
Know how to give advice that matters in one sentence.
Know when to give advice and when not to.
Know how to finish a badly wounded animal.
Know how to tell someone no.
Know you need to reach outside of your comfort zone in life.
Know how to be loyal, and know that sometimes that means not doing what the other person wants.
Know that you have to be self-reliant, but know when to ask for help.

[JumpCut]

Courtesy flush.

[MakoZeroSix]

Well, after starting the thread to denigrate urban American males, now I feel all inadequate, because I have come to the realization that I can't do all kinds of things that are required for true manhood, like driving front-end loaders, building cabinets, repairing the engines on 18 wheelers and field dressing large African game animals. That's what I get.

I can, however, urinate while walking, and manage not to get too much of it on myself. This is useful when intoxicated in public at night. How's that for a man skill?

:smile:

[M.Pen]

I can, however, urinate while walking, and manage not to get too much of it on myself. This is useful when intoxicated in public at night. How's that for a man skill?

:smile:

Now that's essential learning for guys!

OTOH i'm not sure if it's more manly to not get too much on yourself... or not give a fuck even if you get all of it on yourself! :biggrin::eek::biggrin:

[KidA]

or not give a fuck even if you get all of it on yourself! :biggrin::eek::biggrin:

If you get it on yourself you never learned how to walk backwards. :biggrin:

I kind of feel sorry for you guys whose thingy doesn't hang down far enough to where you don't dribble on the front of your pants...

However true man skill is realizing that when you're pissing outside and it's -4 and you balls are shriveled up inside your body that there will always be another cc or so of piss that's still trapped in the system and you have the patience and fortitude to stand there and coax it out

[Axe]

I can, however, urinate while walking, and manage not to get too much of it on myself. This is useful when intoxicated in public at night. How's that for a man skill?

:smile:

I have actually had problems with that while standing still and stone cold sober on a couple of occasions. I am suitably impressed. :smile:

[M.Pen]

If you get it on yourself you never learned how to walk backwards. :biggrin: Being able to walk backwards without falling over while on a night out bar hopping, is a clear sign of alcohol deficiency! :biggrin::biggrin:

[10thvet]

Here are a few things I would like to add to the list You all have a good list and it will hard to add something :) ...some of them are not only knowing things to do but also important to have.


KNOW:
. How to purchase linen(not just sheets)and know what thread count is.
. Properly clean your house/room/car/laundry
. Know what books to read to expand your mind, not just one genre(and what to/not to put on the shelf)
. Courtsey towards all women(not just the ones you hope to sleep with)
. Safe sex
. How to discuss/have disagreements without raising your voice
. Write properly
. Hide porn
. Balance a checkbook


HAVE :
. Passport
. Extra toothbrush/toothpaste still in package at home/car/luggage(ALWAYS) It may not be for you
.

[Johan]

<DL><DD>"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." <DD>— Robert Heinlein, Time Enough for Love (http://www.socnet.com/wiki/Time_Enough_for_Love) </DD></DL>

Excellent quote, superb writer.

I must add-

"Anyone who clings to the historically untrue — and thoroughly immoral — doctrine that "violence never solves anything" I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and of the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler could referee, and the jury might well be the Dodo, the Great Auk, and the Passenger Pigeon. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms."

Different topic I am certain, but I am curios how many professional military Man read Starship Trooper as a boy.

Regards,

[C-M-R]

Dont get married before 30.

That's an excellent thing for men to know. Good job.

[C-M-R]

. How to discuss/have disagreements without raising your voice



.

Also very good! Especially the discussion without raised voices. I work with Zac on that all the time.

Chuck is teaching him how to tie basic knots. There's something about being able to tie a good knot that manly. Not to mention you can then do your own neck tie.

[KidA]

And to further my remark about a gentleman's purpose being to make everyone else's life easier:

A real man doesn't complain unless he can do something to fix the situation. Complaining while fixing is fine. Bitching because something you did resulted in a shitty situation (say, ignoring your bald tires then having a flat) is fine. Complaining for the sake of running your mouth is worthless.

Complaining about it being too hot or too cold is ridiculous. Everyone else knows it's too hot, or too cold. You aren't providing new information. It's not like everyone was standing around comfortably in the freezing rain until you remark how much it sucks that you're cold and wet and then they realize they're cold and wet, too.

[Husker19D30]

Different topic I am certain, but I am curios how many professional military Man read Starship Trooper as a boy.


That's me. As I got a little older I preferred Glory Road. Who among us didn't grow up wanting to be a hero? Not for the accolades, but for our own knowledge that at some important point in history we were there, and we made a difference.

RE: the OP

Calculus. Might be tough to get to by 13, but a man should know how to solve complex problems using proven formulas.

[HighDragLowSpeed]

However true man skill is realizing that when you're pissing outside and it's -4 and you balls are shriveled up inside your body that there will always be another cc or so of piss that's still trapped in the system and you have the patience and fortitude to stand there and coax it out

I'd recommend a dummy cord for the "bishop" on those occasions. no coaxing needed :biggrin:

[C-M-R]

I can, however, urinate while walking, and manage not to get too much of it on myself. This is useful when intoxicated in public at night. How's that for a man skill?

:smile:

Walk backwards when you do that and it's not a problem. :biggrin: Learned that one from my brothers who can operate a front-end loader, change tires and oil, change diapers just as easily as they do tires.

[Amarillo]

And to further my remark about a gentleman's purpose being to make everyone else's life easier:

A real man doesn't complain unless he can do something to fix the situation. Complaining while fixing is fine. Bitching because something you did resulted in a shitty situation (say, ignoring your bald tires then having a flat) is fine. Complaining for the sake of running your mouth is worthless.

Complaining about it being too hot or too cold is ridiculous. Everyone else knows it's too hot, or too cold. You aren't providing new information. It's not like everyone was standing around comfortably in the freezing rain until you remark how much it sucks that you're cold and wet and then they realize they're cold and wet, too.
Sorry to disagree.
Never complain unless you have a reasonable expectation that somebody else should (and would) do something about it. E.g., "Waiter, my soup is cold."
Elsewise, suck it up, shut yer yap, get an ulcer and do something about it, ... or don't. Complaining is a woman's job. Make her feel useful.

[Sharky]

Well, after starting the thread to denigrate urban American males, now I feel all inadequate, because I have come to the realization that I can't do all kinds of things that are required for true manhood, like driving front-end loaders, building cabinets, repairing the engines on 18 wheelers and field dressing large African game animals. That's what I get.

I can, however, urinate while walking, and manage not to get too much of it on myself. This is useful when intoxicated in public at night. How's that for a man skill?

:smile:



Fag. :smile:

[SHOOB]

How credit works and how to be responsible with it
Try to never panic
Accept responsibility
Know the rules (law)
Don't burn bridges you plan to cross

[KidA]

Sorry to disagree.
Never complain unless you have a reasonable expectation that somebody else should (and would) do something about it. E.g., "Waiter, my soup is cold."
Elsewise, suck it up, shut yer yap, get an ulcer and do something about it, ... or don't. Complaining is a woman's job. Make her feel useful.

We're on the same page. Complaining is stating there is a fly in your soup but not having the intestinal fortitude to bring it to the attention of the waiter and demanding recompance.

Bringing it to the attention of the waiter is acting in a given situation :biggrin:

Complaining is bitching about the nasty weather when you're hunkered down. Action is saying "this shit sucks" then going and stealing a tarp from REMFs :cool:

[BKK]

Looking at all these "Skills", I am just glad to have been fortunate enough to grow up around Men and Women who could do these things, and pass them on.

I feel sorry for a large segement of kids today who either have no role models at all, or role models who don't know shit about anything but running a computer, or hooking up home entertainment system.

All these old school "skills" are dying out in suburban America, because too many parents try to engineer their kids free time with all sorts of organized activities. I think most of us learned lots of these "skills" just by screwing off, and just being kids.

One last thing, If you want to teach your son how mechanics, engines, and electricity work. Buy him a Dirt Bike, Four Wheeler, Go Kart, or boat. He will learn his ass off to get that thing running if it means having fun.

[KidA]

Also: if you must piss in the sink, kindly remove the dishes first (this is for you Irish amongst us).

[Greenhat]

I am curios how many professional military Man read Starship Trooper as a boy.


Based on previous discussions, my guess is that a very high percentage of those on this site. Personally, I've read everything that Bob Heinlein has ever had published, including those published since his death.

[Greenhat]

On the original topic, what has surprised me, even here in a country with lots of farmers, is that lashing seems to be a lost art.

[Odin's Underling]

On the original topic, what has surprised me, even here in a country with lots of farmers, is that lashing seems to be a lost art.

Not entirely true in one respect that there are a few here that show up and make a statement or two and get a well deserved lashing.

And a lot of good men do know that the NY Yankees BUY their championships.:tongue:

[Chaplain]

Great list, especially the Heinlein quotes. I can only add:

Forgive others. (Carrying a grudge hurts you more than the idiot you are mad at.)

Forgive yourself when you screw up. Learn from your mistakes and move on. Guilt and shame are time-wasting life-stealers.

[Frog]

Borrowed from Tim Wilson. Here's 38 things a man has to know:

1. A virgin don't never drive a z-28
2. Never bet the ranch on your prostate
3. If it's got an adams apple its probably a man
4. Never trust a gay gypsy with the palm of your hand
5. She didn't accidentally get good in bed
6. You can't join a church if your already dead
7. A work uniform ain't totally nude
8. Brim and bass ain't seafood
9. When there's guns in the house one better be yours
10. Don't be naked next to any fishin' lures
11. If there's girl scout cookies she's a little too young
12. if you say I do... be the ugly one
13. Don't ever let a bald man borrow your comb
14. Never play strip poker in a nursin' home
15. Don't blame your pall bearers cuz they don't show, if your buried in the middle of the Super Bowl
16. Let people borrow money, they'll leave you alone
17. Never fry bacon without a shirt on
18. Never spray water on a hornets nest
19. A woman rarely aces the drivers test
20. The sign probably don't really mean massage
21. Never threaten anybody in camouflage
22. Say you love her 'til she lays down the butcher knife
23. Never put the move on the boss's wife
24. She's messin' round on ya if yer briefs don't fit
25. Never trust a hitch-hiker to babysit
26. Cosmo's never in a happy home
27. You can't cut a deal with a kidney stone
28. A politician ain't got an HMO
29. Washin' her hair means she don't wanna go
30. Don't ridicule a biker bout' his tattoo
31. If you been married nine times... hell, maybe its you
32. Doom ain't the same as Donkey Kong
33. If he's wearing high heels you might of raised him wrong
34. The clinic ain't the best place to pick up dates
35. Don't rent a room from a man named Bates
36. A tank top's never on a billionaire
37. Stevie Ray Vaughn missed a note here and there
38. How many get to heaven no one knows, but hell will be asses and elbows

[MoonDog]

Posted by Sharkey
If you say you are going to do something, fucking DO it. Your word, your integrity as a man, is one of the most important things you possess. It is easily lost, and hard to get back.

This so true and especially hard when you warn your son about consequences and that he'll have to stand up and work his ass out of the trouble he got into.

You want to help ease his pain, but the lesson he's learning is more important than the easing of your own pain.

[Massgrunt]

I remember in some book I read (and not discounting any of the other advice already given) that a gentleman's role is to make like easier for everyone around them. When you think about it that really encompasses everything already said.

If you had to drill it down to a one liner, that's as good as any.

As for the cunnilingus post... without getting too graphic, I have never regretted the effort to be the best lay any girl has ever had. Can you accomplish that every time, maybe, maybe not but that's what you're aiming for. Make the effort. Put their pleasure first and yours will DEFINITELY follow. I have no doubt a few girls have tolerated my shit for just that reason. :biggrin:

[Old_Starlight]

Mako Zero Six's thread and some of the comments in it (no, not those comments...) got me to thinking. Here's the question.

What things should boys learn or be taught before they become men? As the father of a 13 YO boy, I find this question crossing my mind more & more often.

Shooting. Check.
Respect for women. Check.
Jump starting a car. On the list.
Taking off a woman's bra. Also on the list; maybe he needs to learn that on his own...

Ideas?

Before I even read the replies, all boys need to learn to cook, clean, wash and do basic sewing to repair clothes. There are times when this becomes unbelievably important!

I was also taught to do a full service on a car before I could actually drive one. My father sold me me first car, yes you heard it right, SOLD it to me. It also needed to be rebuilt. The first time I asked him for help with some repairs he walked out and lean on the car ... pointed out a couple of things and set me on my way. 20 mins later he had an invoice for $65.

I bitched and he said "You're getting a family discount, my going rate is eighty five bucks and hour ... and I don't charge for part hours!" He also stated Ïf I touch it, I charge for it". LOL...needless to say I did as much as I could by myself and by reading the repair manual before I went to the guru.

A few years later my car threw a distributor in the middle of nowhere. I rebuilt it and retimed it on the side of the road 300 klicks from the nearest roadside service. He was smart in his way.

Before I joined the Army, I worked on the land, I can build and repair fences, work stock (sheep and cattle, goats etc), was a professional 'roo shooter for awhile and also could hunt, track and trap before I left school. I can kill and butcher game, domestically raised meat and cure skins. I also worked doing irrigation. Like Sharky, I was doing this as a preteen and teen and was a lot of it before I joined the Army at 17.

Let me add a caveat, my cooking is good enough to survive on....I am not sure if anyone else would actually consider it good ;)

[razorfish]

lmfao talk about system overload. come on fellas all he needs to know is one thing and one thing only. And thats the definition of ADD Attention deficit disorder and PADA Pay attention dumb ass...

[KimberChick]

Here are a few things I would like to add to the list You all have a good list and it will hard to add something :) ...some of them are not only knowing things to do but also important to have.


KNOW:
. How to purchase linen(not just sheets)and know what thread count is.
. Properly clean your house/room/car/laundry
. Know what books to read to expand your mind, not just one genre(and what to/not to put on the shelf)
. Courtsey towards all women(not just the ones you hope to sleep with)
. Safe sex
. How to discuss/have disagreements without raising your voice
. Write properly
. Hide porn
. Balance a checkbook


HAVE :
. Passport
. Extra toothbrush/toothpaste still in package at home/car/luggage(ALWAYS) It may not be for you
.

Why are you hiding it? If you think you need it, at least be open about it, then there's no disappointment when the truth comes out....

[random]

12. if you say I do... be the ugly one

If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, never make a pretty woman your wife...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NF5XU-k2Vk

[Old_Starlight]

Why are you hiding it? If you think you need it, at least be open about it, then there's no disappointment when the truth comes out....

I thought it was "find girl willing to share her porn" ;)

[rt nail]

Know who your friends are and how important friendships are.
The laws of motion.
The law of unintended consequences.

[number1]

how to be a critical thinker and use your brain. the rest comes after.

[random]

Creativity. Some of the best problem-solvers I know are people who consistently think outside-the-box.

[10thvet]

This thread was not just directed to older adults, it was directed towards what father should teach their kids... I can not tell you how embarrased I was as a young teen when my mother busted me with playboys...

I agree that if you are a consenting adult then you should not have to "hide it", but at least place your porn neatly on shelf or someplace else.....if you did a bring a girl over you just met, you are not stuffing porn under the couch cushions becase they were laying out on the coffee table next to a bottle of lotion :)

[Mojo]

Mean what you say and say what you mean.
How to properly shake hands and look someone in the eye.
He should be familiar with the U.S. Constitution
Never trust a car to abide by it's blinker in Mass.

There is a decent book out there, "The Dangerous Book for Boys" by Conn Iggulden- has some interesting info of what a boy should know.

[RGR.Montcalm]

I'll add a few-

Know how to sharpen a knife, axe, and chainsaw- nothing worse than dull tool.

Know how to use the right tool for the right job and how to improvise when you don't.

Learn to tie knots correctly and choose the right knot for the job intended

Never stop learning- knowledge is power- I tried to learn enough about everyone's job around so that i could do their's if necessary.

To repeat- learn to be the butcher, baker, and candlestick maker- a jack of all trades, not necessarily a master of any of them except one that you will love to get out of bed everyday to do...

Stop. WATCH. LISTEN- evolution gave us 2 eyes and 2 ears but only 1 mouth- so we could watch and listen twice as much as we TALK

Don't let your mouth overload your ass- one day someone is going to make you prove something that you've claimed to be able to do...

[Medic4070]

[QUOTE=Mojo;1245322]
How to properly shake hands and look someone in the eye.
QUOTE]

+1.

[USArmyTC]

10.) NEVER ever look in womens panties because the vagina is a self cleaning organ and if you do... you may change your mind...!!!


Probably one of the strangest peices of advice I have ever heard...yet probably very true.:biggrin:

[Tom_MI]

I was raised by a single mother. I had a few influences here and there, but no 'father figure.' Mom is farm raised and tough as they come, but she can only do so much.

A few I learned the hard way:

- You have two ears, two eyes, and one mouth. Use each accordingly.
- If you want something done right, do it yourself.
- Never start a fight, but end all fights you can't avoid.
- Trust, but verify.
- If you want to be heard, wisper. Not in a literal speaking sense, but rather how you carry yourself and how you act. A quiet professional, regardless of what you are doing. Good sportsmanship, let your actions speak more than your words, etc.

None really skills in themsevles, but rather lessons I think are important.

[Avandir]

Don't worry about missing something in his education, he has a retired Jarhead as a father, he has an good example to learn from.

The most important thing is to keep the commo open.

He will be making mistakes, it's his life and not all lessons are learned from you. You accept him for who he is and always express your love.

This.

Me and my dad don't talk much but the one thing that has stuck with me my entire life is when he told me that no matter what happens to him, me or the family. He is my father and will support me 100% in whatever I choose to do.

Another thing I like about how I was raised. With religion and such, the decision was up to me what I believed in. I have never been critisized, ridiculed or questioned. It was my choice to make.

Some of the things I wish I had been taught as a kid.

How to cook.
How to balance a checkbook/manage money. I learned the hardway.
Basic mechanic/handyman skills. I still don't know how to change the oil on my car and I'm 21.
This and marriage go hand in hand. Learn how to take care of yourself before trying to take care of others.
A succesful career is finding something you love to do, then finding out how to get paid doing it.

[Metalchica]

Amplifying on "balancing accounts, living within his means and the importance of saving money", establish credit early on.

Do not tattoo her name unless it is Mom or your daughter's.

Register with Selective Service if not serving in the military.

Donate blood.

Volunteer.

Vote.

Have a suit that fits, with matching tie and shoes in your closet.

Know how to dance, at least slowly with your woman.

[NWPTrainer]

Have a suit that fits, with matching tie and shoes in your closet.




Own a tux, and make sure it fits.

Tell your woman you love her...at least twice per day, and SHOW her that you mean it at least once per day.

[LibraryLady]

My father taught me to go backwards in a full size van with a trailer before I ever learned to go forwards.

Can't tell you how many men I've met who can't back a trailer.

LL

[Scratchy]

My father taught me to go backwards in a full size van with a trailer before I ever learned to go forwards.

Can't tell you how many men I've met who can't back a trailer.

LL

So true, and yet so important.

[NWPTrainer]

My father taught me to go backwards in a full size van with a trailer before I ever learned to go forwards.

Can't tell you how many men I've met who can't back a trailer.

LL

No kidding. I never learned as a kid. The first time I had to back a trailer, it was a 34ft stock trailer with three cowhorses and a dozen yearlings loaded. LOL. In the snow, in a pasture in BFE.....

[Purple36]

If you had to drill it down to a one liner, that's as good as any.

As for the cunnilingus post... without getting too graphic, I have never regretted the effort to be the best lay any girl has ever had. Can you accomplish that every time, maybe, maybe not but that's what you're aiming for. Make the effort. Put their pleasure first and yours will DEFINITELY follow. I have no doubt a few girls have tolerated my shit for just that reason. :biggrin:

May I add a book all guys (and gals) should read?

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Female-Orgasm-Extraordinary-Guide/dp/1569242763/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262691916&sr=8-1

[dustyrebel]

How to interview for a job.
I sat in on a recent interview board for prespective employees, and could not believe some of the clothes people wore, or how they answered questions.

[MandMmom]

Sooooo much wisdom -- here's a couple I hadn't seen mentioned:

* How to change a tire (listened to the neighbor on his cell phone in our yard one night explaining quietly (but intensely) to his sister-in-law that "Hell, no, I'm not going to go and change your 18 year old son's flat tire. Tell him to call a couple of buddies, get out the manual, and figure it out!" My daddy was a driver examiner when I was little--I had to change two tires on my car the morning I turned 16 before I could go and take my driving test. I also offer a hearty "Amen" to being able to jump start a vehicle (neighbor is retired USAF and I had to jump start his SUV for him--what did he do for 20+ years?), check fluid levels and change oil, and drive a stick shift).

* How to operate a plunger (never owned one (or needed one :rolleyes:)before I dated my husband, but he is the resident plunger operator--though I can use it if absolutely necessary).

* Start a lawn mower and mow a lawn.

* How to replace fuses in old houses (grad school, crappy rentals because of owning large dogs).

* That adolescence isn't permanent, and you'll get through it. Daddy even predicted that I might think he was an idiot at times, but that I should keep it to myself and trust that my teenage years would pass and we would see eye-to-eye again on many things--and respectfully disagree on a few.

I think it came from Robert Fulghm's book "Uh Oh" -- Life is lumpy. And a lump in the oatmeal, a lump in the throat, and a lump in the breast are not the same lump. One should learn the difference."

I want my kids to be resilient. Not just healthy, strong, smart sheepdogs--stretchy, able to bounce back, able to adjust and adapt. To never, ever quit. We may pause to rest, to refocus, to reassess, to formulate a new plan of attack--but we NEVER, EVER QUIT. But that means I let them get disappointed sometimes, and sit with them when they are sad, and don't tell them that whatever broke their heart didn't matter, and I don't "fix" it. I let it matter, and let it sting. Because I don't want an adult that doesn't know how to take disappointment with dignity, and the knowledge that they will survive. The "car seat generation" is protected from a little too much (in my humble opinion) . . . we will not always be there to save their butts from all rejection and disappointment. And we do them a disservice if we don't prepare them for life -- my $.02 :smile:

[MandMmom]

OH! And about girls, teach him that

(1) girls are people, too. Every girl is someone's daughter, and maybe someone's sister, and granddaughter, and niece, and friend. Don't lie to them. Don't use them. Be as honest as you can about things that matter (and lie she is asking stupid questions like "Does this make my butt look big?"--better yet, find someone who doesn't ask those kind of questions :rolleyes:)

(2) and that "no" means "no" -- that it doesn't matter what you are doing, how close you are, or how convinced you are that your body may explode if you don't finish what you are doing. If she says "no" you back up, hands raised and open, offering no threat. She may really mean "no" -- so you should stop what you are doing. She may be really conflicted about you are doing and isn't certain and might mean no (so you want to get the hell away from that). She may just say it because she wants you to beg/debate/cajole/argue with her (which is crazy, and you want to get the hell away from that).

Having survived adolescence three times so far, I can tell you my worst concerns for the girl were abduction, rape, and murder. My worst concern for the boys were crazy females--and they each had one girlfriend that I swear, her mother's goal was for her daughter to get pregnant by my stepson. They are now 26 and 28, neither married, neither have kids, one active duty, the other finished active duty and is finishing up NG obligation. Good men. Who can work on cars, cook, change diapers, mow lawns, wash cars, fight, shoot, fish, etc.

Your son will be a good man :smile:

[Miguel]

Teamwork. Never be afraid to step up if need be, and never be afraid to let others step up if need be.

People Skills. The most important thing my parents taught me were how to interact with people from the full spectrum of life (ie; regardless of ethnicity, status, wealth, etc...) in a respectful and engaging way, until the person proved that they needed to be engaged otherwise. Probably by far the best lesson that has contributed to my hapiness and success in life by far.

Creativity and the courage to explore. Again, one of those things that is so underated and overlooked, but has been a hallmark of my life that I now appreciate that my parents encouraged.

Work ethic. If you have a job to do or you have commited to something, no matter how small or large, complete the task and you better bring your best.

Be smart enough to know when you need help. Don't self destruct due to your ego.

Never be afraid to laugh at yourself.

Never be afraid of forging your own positive path in life.

Always respect nature & the power of the ocean.

[Miguel]

"no" means "no"

Goes without saying...

[Matchanu]

Try new and wierd shit, expand your horizons. The man who only eats one kind of food, listens to one kind of music, or hangs with one kind of people his whole life is boring.

Learn how to travel solo, and do it. Traveling with friends and familiy is fun, but you don't learn near as much as doing it on your own.

Learn to make and keep contacts. Some people you meet in your life will come and go, others are important to keep tabs on.

If you have a friend in need, offer what you have. You find out who your real friends are in life when you are in need. A couch is a welcome home when you have no bed to sleep in, gestures like this are priceless and last a lifetime, others around you will notice your loyalty.

Do what you feel is right, even if it's embarrasing or against the grain. Dancing with your Grandmother or standing up and protecting the guy getting bullied takes more balls than being "one of the guys". It will garner far more respect from others that matter.

Own up to your fuck ups. Everyone does something stupid, usually many times. When you get asked, don't be a cunt.

Take on challenges outside of your known abilities. You may fail, but the biggest regrets in life are the chances you didn't take.

Learn to dress and find the clothing that you look good in. Take advice from your sister, girlfriend, gay friends, whatever. What you think is cool may look clownish to others. Take pride in your appearence, it's important. Get a decent haircut, decent shoes, know when to dress up and dress down.

Learn and do things that make you intersting and valuable.

Learn to listen rather than waiting to speak.

Read books when you can.

Learn about what to talk about, when to talk about it, and when to shut your fucking trap. Never talk politics, religion or your professional life with strangers, or people you have made friends with in the first few meet ups, it's boring and polarizing.

Be open minded but stick to your values whatever they may be. If you disagree with what someone is saying or doing, walk away. An argument or puching own own agenda will not change anyone's mind and only results in making you look petty.

Treat everyone with respect. The homelss guy, the waiter, the cab driver, whatever. No matter how high up the food chain you are, you are only one misstep from being where you started or worse.



You guys covered pretty much everything else.

[KidA]

Learn to dress and find the clothing that you look good in. Take advice from your sister, girlfriend, gay friends, whatever. What you think is cool may look clownish to others. Take pride in your appearence, it's important. Get a decent haircut, decent shoes, know when to dress up and dress down.

No shit. I went to a place for NYE that had an authentic Big Band/Swing/Jump Jazz band playing - and amongst the people in tuxes (or suits or at least jackets) were people there just in t-shirts and jeans.

Also for the longest time I wore yellow shirts. Not sure why but I liked the color. Thing was it took a couple years before someone said "Dude that looks like shit on you" Turns out Yellow makes me look like I just crawled out of a basement where I'd been living with the lights out for the past decade.

[Scratchy]

Try new and wierd shit, expand your horizons. The man who only eats one kind of food, listens to one kind of music, or hangs with one kind of people his whole life is boring.

Learn how to travel solo, and do it. Traveling with friends and familiy is fun, but you don't learn near as much as doing it on your own.

Learn to make and keep contacts. Some people you meet in your life will come and go, others are important to keep tabs on.

If you have a friend in need, offer what you have. You find out who your real friends are in life when you are in need. A couch is a welcome home when you have no bed to sleep in, gestures like this are priceless and last a lifetime, others around you will notice your loyalty.

Do what you feel is right, even if it's embarrasing or against the grain. Dancing with your Grandmother or standing up and protecting the guy getting bullied takes more balls than being "one of the guys". It will garner far more respect from others that matter.

Own up to your fuck ups. Everyone does something stupid, usually many times. When you get asked, don't be a cunt.

Take on challenges outside of your known abilities. You may fail, but the biggest regrets in life are the chances you didn't take.

Learn to dress and find the clothing that you look good in. Take advice from your sister, girlfriend, gay friends, whatever. What you think is cool may look clownish to others. Take pride in your appearence, it's important. Get a decent haircut, decent shoes, know when to dress up and dress down.

Learn and do things that make you intersting and valuable.

Learn to listen rather than waiting to speak.

Read books when you can.

Learn about what to talk about, when to talk about it, and when to shut your fucking trap. Never talk politics, religion or your professional life with strangers, or people you have made friends with in the first few meet ups, it's boring and polarizing.

Be open minded but stick to your values whatever they may be. If you disagree with what someone is saying or doing, walk away. An argument or puching own own agenda will not change anyone's mind and only results in making you look petty.

Treat everyone with respect. The homelss guy, the waiter, the cab driver, whatever. No matter how high up the food chain you are, you are only one misstep from being where you started or worse.



You guys covered pretty much everything else.

That was honestly some of the best advice I've ever read.

[JAFO]

Know how to sharpen a knife, axe, and chainsaw- nothing worse than dull tool.

Stop. WATCH. LISTEN- evolution gave us 2 eyes and 2 ears but only 1 mouth- so we could watch and listen twice as much as we TALK

Don't let your mouth overload your ass- one day someone is going to make you prove something that you've claimed to be able to do...

X2, One of my Chiefs told me this when I was a young recruit: "Never miss a good chance to shut up."

There's always somebody out there that is bigger, badder, faster, stronger than you.

Learn how to win and lose gracefully (good sportsmanship)

Respect is earned, not given. Respect works both ways.

[Old_Starlight]

Respect is earned, not given. Respect works both ways.

That is a definate, however I taught my son as I was taught. Always offer the respect from the get go. Do not be a dick whilst you wait for them to earn it. It starts from the first firm handshake and/or the eye contact. If they are dicks/unworthy, so be it, but at least you did the right thing by giving them a chance.

I will also add that being a man means that at times you ask for help/directions. Sometimes that help comes from women and if your mates give you grief about you ackowledging your weaknesses and working around them, then lose your "mates". They will get you into trouble later.

Being called a "Mummy's boy" is not the worst thing that can happen to you in your teenage years or as an adult. Showing respect and loving your mum is not being a "Mummy's boy", it's the right thing to do. Do not alienate your mum or dad because you're peers think it's cool to denigrate your elders... Ditch your peers.

Never be afraid to be an individual but understand there are times to be a part of the team and both are important.

On the subject of poetry ... Learn to read/recite poetry and try at least once to write. A Short Story or Poetry, both will give you a better appreciation for the langauge and for being able to communicate effectively. As previously mentioned, Kipling's "If" should be a mandatory subject for all young folk. "Charge of the Light Brigade" is also one I was given as a kid to learn and explain.

Sun Tzu's "The Art of War". One book which is invaluable.

Lastly, read my sig line. The 7 P's (Prior Preperation and Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance for the unitiated), make them a mantra/habit.

[NWPTrainer]

Learn how to travel solo, and do it. Traveling with friends and familiy is fun, but you don't learn near as much as doing it on your own.
This is one of the most valuable lessons I've learned in life, for sure. I've travelled all over the place on my own, sometimes by air, sometimes by bus, sometimes by car/truck, and more than once by hitchhiking, and I've learned a pile about people, life, and most importantly, about myself.




Learn to dress and find the clothing that you look good in. Take advice from your sister, girlfriend, gay friends, whatever. What you think is cool may look clownish to others. Take pride in your appearence, it's important. Get a decent haircut, decent shoes, know when to dress up and dress down.

Hahaha! Did you just admit to having gay friends? No, just kidding, there's nothing wrong with having gay friends, accept your friends for who they are, if they are your friends. Hell, that's a valuable life lesson in itself...And I agree, being able to dress well, for the occasion, whatever the occasion, is critical.



Read books when you can, and make sure you make time so you can.

Fixed it for ya brother!

[Matchanu]

Hahaha! Did you just admit to having gay friends?



!

I was in the Navy for 10 years, so yeah.;)

[CarbineM1]

Try new and wierd shit, expand your horizons. The man who only eats one kind of food, listens to one kind of music, or hangs with one kind of people his whole life is boring.

....and the rest of your post

Thats a great post.

[KSM]

1) Learn how to take criticism, and learn from it, without getting your feathers ruffled and acting like an ass. Sometimes you are just plain wrong. You should truly appreciate the people who care enough about you to bring it to your attention, and not just roll their eyes and snicker behind your back. The ability to say, "You know what, you're right, I fucked up and I never thought about it that way" earns more respect, and builds closer relationships, than being an asshole who thinks he knows everything. This is how we learn. Put ego aside, and be humble. Don't be afraid to ask your "betters" for advice. If you do act an ass (it happens), be the first to calmly approach the person afterwards and apologize.

2) Identify the things that are truly important to you, and hold them sacred. No matter how small or insignificant it may seem, don't compromise the things you hold dear for someone else. If playing poker with your buddies every Thursday is something that is important to you, don't accept some chick who tries to get you to do otherwise. If she doesn't let you have that simple pleasure, then she aint worth the trouble. But realize that the things you hold dear will change and evolve over time (just make sure it's because YOU change them, not someone else).

3) Be yourself. If you can't accept and be yourself, you will be miserable, and no outside factors can fix that.

Not exactly "skills" in the physical sense, but some personality and mindset issues that I feel are important for any man to learn.

ETA... 4) Even if she is the coolest, most laid-back chick, and you've made everything abundandtly clear (including signing a 30-page legal contract in her own blood) that this is just a one-night-stand, she won't take it that way. No one knows why, it just is.

[LibraryLady]

... ETA... 4) Even if she is the coolest, most laid-back chick, and you've made everything abundandtly clear (including signing a 30-page legal contract in her own blood) that this is just a one-night-stand, she won't take it that way. No one knows why, it just is.

And vice versa. If she says it's a one night stand or she just wants to be friends then accept that until she says differently.

Just because you imagine something doesn't make it so.

Give clear signals on what you want from a relationship and don't get involved with anyone who can't return that gesture. That doesn't mean you/they can't change their minds as long as you/they give clear indications to the change.

LL

[grog18b]

Teach them History. Real History. So they are never doomed to repeat it. Teach them the lessons we have learned in the past, about war, about Governments, Tyrants, Dictators... so they can recognize socalism, communism... and know that it is never a good idea. Teach them that sometimes... change is NOT a good thing. Teach them to pay off their debts, and to try to never go into debt in the first place.

Teach them to never allow a Government to disarm the populace. Teach them that freedom is expensive, and take them to Arlington, and Normandy, and show them how much it costs in person. Take them to a VA hospital and let them talk to some real heros instead of watching Paris Hilton and Hanna Montana, and idolizing sports people who do dope and point guns at each other as a joke. Instead of allowing them to listen to crap music, take them to the tomb of the Unknown Soldier and let them listen to Taps.

My .02c.

[SOTB]

Men should know how to properly conduct a "pinky test"....

[grog18b]

Well... I think you should provide a youtube instructional video...

[Hot Mess]

Give clear signals

Umm, no offense, but I take it your a woman? Ya, and you just said give clear signals? I believe that is what they call irony.

[LibraryLady]

Umm, no offense, but I take it your a woman? ...

What's your first clue? :rolleyes: :biggrin:

... and you just said give clear signals? I believe that is what they call irony.

:tongue: I calls em as I sees em. Years of experience. I'm old. This thread is advice to give to a boy growing into an honorable man.

Women aren't the only ones who don't give clear signals. Men just as big of a$$holes about sex/love/relationships as women. Some like to encourage the women and play them just as much as women do can do it to men.

LL

[0699]

Men should know how to properly conduct a "pinky test"....

I've been waiting for this advice to pop-up... :biggrin:

[Mojo]

All chicks tear the ass (bitch, etc..), you just have to find one that tears it the least!

[NWPTrainer]

All chicks tear the ass (bitch, etc..), you just have to find one that tears it the least!



Lesson #10012.5 for sons

1) Don't refer to your woman as a chick, bitch, whore, cunt, etc...


2) Amplify this rule X1000 if she happens to be the mother of your children.

3) addendum to the rule: Any woman willing to sleep with you is worth treating decently, even if it's a one night stand. Afterwards, do not ever talk shit about her to anyone, even your closest buddies. If you happen to run into her, do not cause her problems (I learned this part the hard way, when I saw a former ONS in a club with a buddy and told him I'd hit it previously) by talking shit.

[Joe33]

Dont get married before 30.

X2, although I've always said 28. But in general, great advice.

Other things:
How to build a proper fire, both indoor and outdoor.

On this subject, I highly recommend this book for dads and sons: The Dangerous Book for Boys. It's a what's what of all the things boys should know how to do and subjects they should at least know about. Practical and alot of fun to read.

[Gryfen-FL]

OH YEA!

VERY good book!

[Princeps Belli]

Name the Boy Sue.

Well, in this day and age it wouldn't have the same effect. It would only segue the kid into popular culture and protected rights status. I retract my statement.

Originally Posted by HighDragLowSpeed View Post
Dont get married before 30.

I heard someone once say that prostitutes were cheaper in the long run. Don't know. Never made an economic model of that one, but I don't think the father could give the lesson unless he was already divorced. Otherwise, he might wake up with some equipment missing.

[Scratchy]

Just came across this today and it seemed to fit perfectly into this thread.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/how_to/4284709.html

[SOTB]

....I highly recommend this book for dads and sons: The Dangerous Book for Boys....We own this book -- at that time, they did not have one for girls (they do now). Good book.Just came across this today and it seemed to fit perfectly into this thread.I agree....

[Joe33]

We own this book -- at that time, they did not have one for girls (they do now). Good book.I agree....

There's another one titled "The Boys Book: How to be the Best at Everything". It looks like it's written by the same authors (same type of cover, fonts etc.) but it's not. It's smaller but written in the same vein and a fun read. Not aware of a girl's version either....

[Gryfen-FL]

Not aware of a girl's version either.... There isn't one.

Girls are not supposed to be the 'best' at things. It intimidates lesser men.

Oh, wait....I stand corrected.

[Gryfen-FL]

How to do almost anything in one handy little book!
Want to be known for your unique style? Inside you'll learn how to design your own clothes, do the perfect manicure, or make your own lip gloss.
Feel like impressing your friends? Show them how you can make a crystal, juggle one-handed, or deal with a bully.
Bored and need something to do? Not anymore when you find out how to keep a secret diary, make a scrapbook, or put together a dance routine.
And tons of other neat-o things you need to know how to do!

How to do almost anything in one handy book.

Found yourself in a sticky situation? Inside you'll learn how to escape quicksand, build a raft, start a survival fire, or fly a helicopter.
Want to impress your friends? Now you can rip a phonebook in half, hypnotize a chicken, or read their minds.

Boring Saturday afternoon? Not anymore when you find out how to make a waterbomb, a boomerang, or a volcano.

And loads of other keen things you need to know how to do!


I liked the 'dangerous book' better than what I see there. Those don't look to be as practial.

And apparently, I'm supposed to be more interested in the pink book. Anybody want to buy my other X Chromosome? Good condition, reasonably priced.

This thread is Neat-O, It's given me a few ideas for 'stuff to do / learn'. Who's willing to let me use their chain saw to learn on?

[Massgrunt]

...anybody want to buy my other X Chromosome? Good condition, reasonably priced.

C'mon, that secret diary thing will keep you busy for hours...

"Dear Diary, today the recruits just didn't want to listen... OMG, I got SO mad! I had to make pretty crystals until I calmed down... they didn't even notice my neato unique style!"










Don't hurt me woman... :tongue:

[random]

Originally Posted by The Girls Book
How to do almost anything in one handy little book!
Want to be known for your unique style? Inside you'll learn how to design your own clothes, do the perfect manicure, or make your own lip gloss.
Feel like impressing your friends? Show them how you can make a crystal, juggle one-handed, or deal with a bully.
Bored and need something to do? Not anymore when you find out how to keep a secret diary, make a scrapbook, or put together a dance routine.
And tons of other neat-o things you need to know how to do!

I'm probably an optimist for hoping it's not "tell a teacher."

[EchoFiveMike]

Who's willing to let me use their chain saw to learn on?

I've got a Stihl 660 Magnum you can use. Powerhead is a monster but I only have a 28" bar on it, so you should be OK;)

In my usual urban environment, the Stihl TS-510 much more useful:biggrin: S/F.....Ken M

[Matchanu]

I heard someone once say that prostitutes were cheaper in the long run. Don't know. Never made an economic model of that one, but I don't think the father could give the lesson unless he was already divorced. Otherwise, he might wake up with some equipment missing.




"Sex without love is as hollow and ridiculous as love without sex."
— Hunter S. Thompson

[SOTB]

"Sex without love is as hollow and ridiculous as love without sex."
— Hunter S. ThompsonWell then, much of my life (not as much as I would like, honestly) has been hollow and ridiculous....:tongue:

[Massgrunt]

"Sex without love is as hollow and ridiculous as love without sex."
— Hunter S. Thompson

Chinese food leaves you hungry again soon, but damn does it taste good. ;)

[Matchanu]

Well then, much of my life (not as much as I would like, honestly) has been hollow and ridiculous....:tongue:

X2.

Unfortunatly.

[chile]

I have girls and most of these cross over, I would add:

Never mess with a man's Hat, tobacco, sunglasses, tools, or his beer.

[Greenhat]

"Sex without love is as hollow and ridiculous as love without sex."
— Hunter S. Thompson

“Sex without love is merely healthy exercise." - Robert A. Heinlein

“Women need a reason to have sex. Men just need a place.” - Billy Crystal

“Love is the answer, but while you are waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions” - Woody Allen

“Sex alleviates tension. Love causes it.” - Woody Allen

[usnavy_233]

How to win a fight....not how to fight.

I'll add to that, how to avoid a fight as well.

Speak the truth. Always.

Fear nothing. Life's too short.

Give respect to everyone you meet, until they prove unworthy of it.

Question everything and find your own answers.

[zookeeper]

I appreciate many of these as the father of a young son...

As a boy growing up in a civil war...
1) try to win all fights by at least 300yards. (most gooks cannot hit you at this range and the school bully is seldom the school sprinting champion)
2) If you have to fight...- alway cheat- always win
3) There is no real excitement without danger, no true life without excitement. I thank my parents who had the courage to let me do dangerous things - I was too young and 'bullet proof' to realise I needed courage to do what I was doing.
4) Look at the stars, the cosmos and learn basic biology (you cannot change chromosome number in mamals)...ie there is a God, and you should spend some lonely time looking for Him

[Abu Shakra]

Dont get married before 30.

That should be man law.

[Marina]

That should be law.

^^fixed that for you :smile: