Security Clearance Concerns... kind of explained.

[GackMan]

Found this resource from a friend:

http://www.dod.mil/dodgc/doha/industrial/

Lists security clearance appeals and findings by year with a summary. You can click on the link and read a more detailed account.

I post this because...

1) It is a good resource and provides many examples of "it depends" for the frequent "I used to fuck farm animals while smoking banana peals, but I stopped last month. I was arrested for it one time but never convicted. My recruiter told me to lie about it, do you think I can still get a clearance?" threads that pop up from time to time.

2) Some of these cases are complete BULLSHIT.

3) Some of them are hillarious!

[KidA]

2) Some of these cases are complete BULLSHIT.

3) Some of them are hillarious!

Thanks for the reminder. I used to read these a lot when bored...

[CV]

Government Exhibit 2, a statement from a
personal interview of the Applicant, indicates that he used marijuana approximately 120
times.

lol

[Local]

120 times? he counted / remembered each time? I find that highly unlikely.


The above are very interesting to me. I'm currently enrolled in a required ethics course were we talk about situations like what to do when the bar exam asks "did you ever use drugs?" and what kind of things in ones past could make it impossible for one to be accepted into the bar.

It amazes me how the majority of cases seem to financial in nature.

- Local

[KidA]

Applicant has visited Iran four times in the past ten years, and he has maintained continuing contacts with his six siblings and other collateral relatives, who are citizens and residents of Iran. He failed to mitigate security concerns under Adjudicative Guideline B. Clearance is denied.

No shit?

The one above that one has a guy brandishing a shotgun after being pursued by an aggressive driver. Clearance granted. :biggrin:

[SATCOM]

A quick look appears that most are financial reasons. Years ago I was the Security Clearance Manager for our unit, and would advise my troops that financial irresponsibility
could sink their clearance. Some listened, some didn't.

[GackMan]

Financial w/ no plan to pay debts.

Drugs/Alcohol w/ no treatment plan.

Failure to disclose past conduct.

[Danno]

Question for all those who have experience giving clearances...

For example let’s say you lost your job and you had to foreclose on your house. What steps or actions are taken to resolve this issue or is this an automatic failure?

(FYI this has not happened to me personally but curious to see if companies will work with you on this issue since this is a common thing now given our countries current economic situation.)

[GackMan]

Check out that link... CTRL+F for mortgage, forclose, or financial.

If you had your home forclosed on, but you have a plan in place to pay back your creditors it shows you are being responsible.

If the reason your home was forclosed on was because you were high and just couldn't be bothered to pay them... maybe not.

Edit: I don't have anything to do with granting or investigating clearances. I held one for many years and was exposed to the process many times. I've had subordinates get them pulled at my urging.

[Danno]

Roger that,

My fault for not scrolling down a little more and reading a prime example of my question....

Thanks!

[random]

Thanks for posting, had some question about foreign contacts that I've been able to get answers to. Neat site.

[universible]

Edit: I don't have anything to do with granting or investigating clearances. I held one for many years and was exposed to the process many times. I've had subordinates get them pulled at my urging.

That alone can get your clearance yanked...I mean, removed....:biggrin:


I also find it hard to believe that someone who smokes pot 120 times could a) count that high, b) remember to count that high, c) remember the number after they counted that high....

[Magyc]

obviously if you have any questions, your local PSR/FSO or whatever Security Rep can answer them. As anyone will tell you, always disclose everything...even if it isn't a big deal, it's better to tell the powers that be and have them say it's nothing rather than have it come up as something suspicious later. If you think it's an issue, let them know...they'll tell you if it really is.

[Alex F]

"I used to fuck farm animals while smoking banana peals, but I stopped last month. I was arrested for it one time but never convicted.

Son of a BITCH, this is a disqualifier for Federal jobs!?

:mad::mad::mad:









:cool:

[TS]

Although Applicant was acquitted at trial, a DOHA administrative Judge is not bound by the same presumptions and burden of proof applicable to criminal prosecutions. Adverse decision affirmed.

What does "Adverse decision affirmed" mean?

[GracieLou]

What does "Adverse decision affirmed" mean?


Just a guess from the context clues...

It probably means that they originally denied him a clearance so he appealed his case. Upon appeal, the admin judge still denied him :confused:

[GackMan]

That web site contains the results of appeals as well.

That guy's clearance got yanked, he appealed it, a judge reviewed his appeal and said no. The "adverse decision" was up held.

e.g. a guy comitted a crime but was found not guilty on a technicality. Well, he still did it and just because he wasn't convicted doesn't mean he doesn't engage in questionable behavior and should still hold a clearance.

Say a guy gets drunk and slaps his wife around. Cops come, arrest him, take her to the hospital, photograph her injuries, record her statement that her husband gets drunk and kicks her ass on a regular basis. 6 months later... she goes to court, recants, refuses to cooperate, and now loves him. Well, tough shit jack. No clearance. On appeal, a judge can look at the case and the evidence and determine that he shouldn't have a clearance, even though he wasn't convicted of the crime.

[TS]

Ahh, I understand now. Thank you.

[GracieLou]

Thanks Gackman that makes sense...

[WS-G]

Found this resource from a friend:

"It's from a friend...", but spoken with a nervous tone and a furtive glance over the shoulder may indicate hidden issues as well. (j/k!) :biggrin:

[GackMan]

Yeah man, I have no idea why it took so long to get my last clearance adjudicated... ;)

[Spinner]

The one above that one has a guy brandishing a shotgun after being pursued by an aggressive driver. Clearance granted. :biggrin:

That one falls under the Arbitrary and Capricious Special Dispensation Act.

Seriously, why not just flip a coin when it comes to granting a clearance?

[liberty53]

They don't really say what clearance was approved/denied. Probably most of these are for Secret/Collateral clearances.

[MeatLasagna]

C'mon now... who else is looking for the judgement on their case? :biggrin:

[MakoZeroSix]

So what are all these security clearance people going to do when they're like:

"So, uh...did you ever smoke weed?"

and the answer is:

"Yeah...all the time. With my prescription all legal and such from Colorado/Jersey/California, beeyach!"

[8Ball]

C'mon now... who else is looking for the judgement on their case? :biggrin:

I was...

"The man" fucked me I tell you! They fucked me!!! I never said that in the damn interview! :biggrin:

[GackMan]

C'mon now... who else is looking for the judgement on their case? :biggrin:

I don't know about mine... but discussing this on another site revealed several "I know that guy!" remarks...