Looking for advice on Optics......

[TacticalRifleBKH]

I am seeking advice from professionals on a choice of optics for a new Tactical rifle.

I've used Leupold Tactical scopes for a long time, and had great experience with them, but now I'm thinking about trying a tactical scope from a company by the name of IOR/Valdadda.
I'm looking for specific info that anyone may have on the IOR scopes, not for someone to tell me to stick with Leupold...
And, for God sakes don't mention Springfield Armory, We purchased their top of the line L/E scope, to put into service in South America, and it failed miserably.....

If anyone is interested in specifics, the rifle will be the Rem700P, in 308, with harris bi-pod, and the IOR 10X Tactical scope... Thanks, any info is greatly appreciated........

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[medicjim]

I own a pair of 7x40 IOR binos. They have very good optics and the unit is very solid. Weight is the only negative. I would suggest the IOR if you don't have the money for the Leupold..

I ordered my IOR stuff from Scott Powers, he runs the "emporium" on snipercountry.com. He was very, very customer service oriented.

I will never again venture away from Badger Ord rings and bases, they are very, very good.

Are you planning on a mil-dot reticle?

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[Glen]

Hi TacticalRifleBKH,

Which one of the Leupold scopes did you have so much luck with? What kind of conditions was the scope exposed to?

Sorry I can't help with the lOR scope. Have you tried the U.S. Optics scopes? I saw there scopes at the SOF convention. When I asked if the scopes were built well the guy picked one up and beat it on the table three or four times and handed it to me for inspection. It looked well made to me but I have not used one. Some of the other guys on the list could have used them before, and could offer their opion.

I'm over in Lafayette, do you know of any places in our area to do any long range shooting?

Good Luck,
Glen

[TacticalRifleBKH]

Hello Fellas,

Nope Glenn, La is not a hot spot for long range shooting, We've got a 100yd course in LaPlace, La. But 100yds isn't even fun.

I've been using the MilDot extensively, if you get a chance take a look at www.valdada.com/ (http://www.valdada.com/) and look at the MP-8 tactical reticle on their 10X tactical, I just think for precision shooting it will be a little more precise, but that is why I'm asking for other opinons...

My experience has been with Leu Tac LRT scopes, It has been really good, but I'm just looking for a change, lol, you ever sleep with the same woman for a long period of time and wake up and realize, damn, is there another flavor....
IOR scopes came highly recommended by a fella who is doing custom tac rifles now.

As for US Optics, no I haven't seen them, but I'm interested in looking if anyone can provide a site addy.
DISCLAIMER> I'm no sniper, just a fella who likes precision shooting, and is interested in snipercraft, and tactical comps...I'm ex military, with quite a bit of time in crappy a/o's, and currently running my own commercial diving operation.
Like I said before, Thanks for the info...

Glen, if you are interested in possibly getting together and shooting, drop me a line... Thanks.....OUT..

[JY]

Hi T.R.BKH:

US Optics site url http://www.usoptics.com/

They are offering a limited amount of the Marine Corps Unertls for sale currently. Will be available after the USMC contract is completed, big bucks but so are their regular scopes.

Take care...Jim

[G.I.Joe]

TacticalRifleBKH,

I have 4 U.S.Optics scopes on my rifles,outstanding quality but just a little bit expensive !

Have never thought to test the new Schmidt & Bender 4-16x50 (34mm tube) PII mil-dot reticle?

I have two of these scopes and for my next SR-25 I'm getting another one.

Good shooting,ciao

[Glen]

TRBKH,
Email me when you have time.

dgthib@bellsouth.net

Glen

[snip1er]

ETSd

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[Glen]

Hi Snip1er,
Thanks for the info on the U.S. optics, I was thinking of buying one.

What do you think about the adjustments/return to zero of the Leupold MK-4 and LR series? I'm having a problem with my 4.5-14 LR, please see my post on this board.

Who makes the best scope as far as adjustments/return to zero??

Thanks,
Glen

[G.I.Joe]

Snip1er is right.

I've to say I was an U.S.O. enthusiast, and I still think they are great piece of gear but,step by step,I'm closing to Snip1er position.

The U.S.O. glasses are outstanding,same great quality as the greatest german brands,also the hardware is build up just like a tank but
after using them for a lot I've to agree with
him.

I found the same problems,as described above,in 3 of my 4 U.S.O. scopes.

I decided to change 3 of the 4 U.S.O. scopes I have for 3 S.& B., as I already wrote here above.

I found these scopes to be the same outstanding quality as the U.S.O. but without their defects .

[snip1er]

ETSd

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[tactical]

Thomas, good to see you on here. Your slings will be ship soon.

I was the guy who made the call to Thomas and yes US Optics ahd a problem with some scopes. I had two bad ones out of four. What happened was they had some bad parts and Thomas's and my scope shad them. I sent mine back and they pulled that batch or errectors. Sent me a new scope s asap and I am very happy with them now.

The problem was the erroctor would fall out of tollerence quickly and then slop would come into the adjustments. That would translate into bad adjustments.

Like any company you can get bad parts when you contract out for some. US Optics uses contractors for a fewparts just like every other scope manufacture. They got some bad parts. The problem has been fixed so give them another chance.

The reason for the delay in your slings is that thew company I get my hardware from switched the Delrin (tough as hell) hardware with simple plastic. I made 50 slings before I found out they messed me over, so I have to take all 50 apart and change the hardware.

Originally posted by snip1er:
This line of questioning always gets me in trouble but I am going to put it here anyway...


We have played with an IOR scope and two different sets of binos that were sent to a friend of ours for a mag review. The optics were amazingly clear! We only play with the scope for a little while and did not run any extensive tests so I can not comment on how well it returned to zero and/or how well it held up to abuse.

The US optics. Well, we have tested 5 different scopes. All 5 scopes had a hard time returning to zero, they would take a shot or two to have the reticle “jump” into place after an adjustment to say...500 yards. Windage wasn’t any better. We would add a MOA and no change, add some more and still no change, then wam..All the adjustments came into place and the bullets were of course off the opposite side. Now, these scopes are built to be used as hammers and they are very rugged, but if I can’t make an adjustment that will work because the internal mechanics aren’t right then the scope is no good to me. I have shot with others that tell me their scopes do not have these same problems, but are they really paying attention?

Quick story to illustrate my point. About 8 months ago I got into this discussion on another board that some of you visit. This person is respected and has lots of knowledge. This guy was testing the US optics scopes and just loved them. I added my points and it turned into a real ugly mess. Well, two months later I received a phone call from this person. I picked up the phone and the first words I heard was...”Thomas, you were right and I was wrong.” He started really looking at the adjustments and testing them and found that they indeed did have a problem.

I am not saying all US Optics scopes have this problem. What I am saying is the 5 scopes we tested and the ones this other person tested did have internal problems. For the $1500 you’ll pay for one of these scopes it is not worth it to our team or instructors. ---Thomas

[snip1er]

ETSd

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