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DrMike44
14 March 2010, 22:36
ON SHEEP, WOLVES, AND SHEEPDOGS
By LTC(RET) Dave Grossman, RANGER,
Ph.D., author of "On Killing."

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains:
What is worth defending?
What is worth dying for?
What is worth living for?
- William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997

One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."
This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.

Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation.

They are sheep. I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me, it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.

"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep.

There is no safety in denial.

"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.

The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports, in camouflage fatigues, holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up.

Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.

The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them.

This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.

Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero? Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle.

The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed, right along with the young ones.

Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into "warriorhood", you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference. There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.

There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: Slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself. Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.

Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.

There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke -- Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep.

Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice.

But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision. If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.

For example, many police officers carry their weapons in church. They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs. Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying a weapon. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.

I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"

Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them. Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones were attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"

It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up. Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear, helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in "Fear Less", his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling." Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level. And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself..."Baa."

This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from "sheephood" and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.

Hammer06
15 March 2010, 01:06
Grossman is spot on........ required reading for all of my new FNG's on my deployments on the military side. And required reading for all of my officers on the civilian side. Sheepdogs love to play with wolves........... Nothing like a good challenge when we all know the end result.........

bugeater
15 March 2010, 01:58
The sentiments I have tried to explain to some people, this man puts into words a lot more clearly.

Well said.

The Fat Guy
15 March 2010, 07:12
I use this analogy all of the time. Our collective issues with the sheep are when the wolf does not try to eat for quite some time and then the sheep attempt to sell the story of denial to the sheepdog. They try and convince you that you are unnecessary, tell you that you cannot bark or growl at unruly sheep and then want to tell you when to eat and where to shit.

This is what tempts Sheepdogs to become wolves.

CB
15 March 2010, 10:31
Ah, the search button is our friend:

http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=86292

SOTB
15 March 2010, 10:35
I very much consider myself to not fall into the categories that Mr. Grossman lists. I am neither a sheep, sheepdog, nor wolf.

The whole idea that I have to somehow have love for my fellow man, otherwise I am a sociopath -- bite me.

I also may be inclined to help someone out when I find them in problems, but I have no problem also just walking by them and leaving them to their fate if I believe assisting them will endanger my friends or family in any manner.

Mr. Grossman lacks another category for his description of humans. I think "wolf who thinks all the rest are GAY" would be fine....

Soot
15 March 2010, 11:53
I very much consider myself to not fall into the categories that Mr. Grossman lists. I am neither a sheep, sheepdog, nor wolf.


Same here.

If I had to be 100% honest I'd say that I've been all three at turns, sometimes in a single day. There are also days where none of these categories really fit.

It's a cool article, and interesting as far as it goes, and I'm sure that there are some people who can be categorized as one or the other of these options 100% of the time.

But I would imagine that most folks, like myself, are a little more complicated than to be so neatly sterotyped.

DrMike44
15 March 2010, 12:45
Thanks CB, I did not know this article was posted already. It came to me via another group.

As for what we are, the article is from a speech given by the author. I think he is referring to out basal nature; i.e., what we become when push comes to shove. I too can slip from one state to another, but deep down I am a Bulldog (Sheep dog who stood on the Yellow Footprints)!

rhea
15 March 2010, 13:03
I too can slip from one state to another, but deep down I am a Bulldog (Sheep dog who stood on the Yellow Footprints)!

I found this analogy not to work for me either although alot of people do like to reference it. The problem for me is "deep down" some people are pretending to be sheepdogs when they are really hyena's and so the analogy goes and goes.

grog18b
15 March 2010, 16:33
I very much consider myself to not fall into the categories that Mr. Grossman lists. I am neither a sheep, sheepdog, nor wolf.

The whole idea that I have to somehow have love for my fellow man, otherwise I am a sociopath -- bite me.

I also may be inclined to help someone out when I find them in problems, but I have no problem also just walking by them and leaving them to their fate if I believe assisting them will endanger my friends or family in any manner.

Mr. Grossman lacks another category for his description of humans. I think "wolf who thinks all the rest are GAY" would be fine....

+1. Most of us are "Alpha males" regardless of what species someone assigns to them.

Having a German Shepherd, I identify with the species. I don't feel the need to protect sheep anymore, since I retired. Now I am just a dog with a small pack. Fuck with me or my pack, and I'll attack you. Fast, and without mercy.

I just finished reading two of Col Grossman's books, "On killing" and "On combat". Some of the insight he shares is spot on, but IMO some is a bit misguided. It seems he blames all of societies woes on violent video games, and movies that are programming our kids to be killers, and dedicates a whole chapter in his book on this very topic. I think he "puts the blame" in the wrong place, or too much of the "blame". I also feel, from reading his works, that he ascribes to the "government will protect you" mentality, as he speaks of armed police and armed soldiers, but ignores the armed citizen. Perhaps it's because he only has experience with the police and military, but he states in his book "On killing" that he has never killed anyone. He did bother to interview people who have killed, but as he even admits, it's like a virgin writing a book about sex.

Parenting is a skill that not all possess, and you can deny your child violence in movies, and violent video games, and have them turn out to be a nice victim. I believe in teaching my children when to fight, and how to defend themselves. You cannot take the violence out of human nature, and humans have been clubbing each other for centuries before TV and video games. All you can do is be a dog, and protect your pack, and teach your pups to provide and fend for themselves instead of relying on the Government to provide and fend for them.

The most important thing you can teach your children is that there are evil people in the world, and someday they may confront one of these people, and the quickest method to deal with them when justified is to kill them as fast as your skill allows.

Gpool
15 March 2010, 17:10
I hate the sheepdog/sheep/wolf references. People just react at different levels and at different speeds. I also hate "these are violent times" references. Certainly there is violence but we don't do war like we used to. We don't do nukes or 100 division armies anymore, or even further back to the Civil war. Violent crime/kidnapping and stuff isn't where it used to be either. We just see it in the news a lot more.

http://www.jrsa.org/programs/Historical.pdf (biased but close on the crime stats) The war stuff is just on ASSumed casualty rates but I doubt many would argue there are more conflict related casualties today than in some periods gone by.

BTW I had a sheepdog once and it was gay. It was always trying to hump other boy dogs… he was given away.

Princeps Belli
15 March 2010, 17:52
I don't really agree with the sheep analogy. I couldn't say it better than this: "For one can say this generally of men: that they are ungrateful, fickle, hypocrites and dissemblers, evaders of dangers, lovers of gain; and while you do them good, they are wholly yours, offering you blood, goods, life, and sons, as has been said above, when need is far off; but when it approaches you, then they revolt (Machiavelli,Prince).

I like the piece though. It does capture an element that serves to communicate certain sentiments. I think that it's simply more poetic than realistic.

MeatLasagna
15 March 2010, 18:44
I don't really agree with the sheep analogy. I couldn't say it better than this: "For one can say this generally of men: that they are ungrateful, fickle, hypocrites and dissemblers, evaders of dangers, lovers of gain; and while you do them good, they are wholly yours, offering you blood, goods, life, and sons, as has been said above, when need is far off; but when it approaches you, then they revolt (Machiavelli,Prince).

I like the piece though. It does capture an element that serves to communicate certain sentiments. I think that it's simply more poetic than realistic.

Wow, PB. A post of yours that I understand and agree with. :biggrin:

The analogy is a step up from the basic Good vs. Evil though... but it is still just an analogy and it serves its purpose for LTC Grossman's point.

Princeps Belli
15 March 2010, 22:29
I agree, and I am trying. I was dropped as a baby. Probably many times, on purpose.:biggrin:

ronix
15 March 2010, 23:10
German Shepherds. I love this breed of dog more than anything and I own two. So I guess if I were a sheepdog thats what I'd be. And while I enjoy fucking with the wolves I find that the older I get the less and less I care about the sheep.

MikeC2W
16 March 2010, 11:30
I very much consider myself to not fall into the categories that Mr. Grossman lists. I am neither a sheep, sheepdog, nor wolf.

The whole idea that I have to somehow have love for my fellow man, otherwise I am a sociopath -- bite me.

I also may be inclined to help someone out when I find them in problems, but I have no problem also just walking by them and leaving them to their fate if I believe assisting them will endanger my friends or family in any manner.

Mr. Grossman lacks another category for his description of humans. I think "wolf who thinks all the rest are GAY" would be fine....


We've been agreement on this one for a while now, I think the analogy is pretty gay myself. I wouldn't necessarily consider myself a sheepdog, but I damn sure ain't a sheep.

What's the classification for the guy who is: Just leave me the fuck alone or the wolf might come out and bite your ass?

And while I like German Shepherds, I prefer Akita's.

JD Bobcat
16 March 2010, 12:16
l'd like to think of myself as re-inforcements to the "sheepdog" when he calls for extra help .. like my pit-weiler .. O.G. ..

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu317/JDBobCat2009/truck1-1.jpg

.. otherwise l'm happy-go-lucky .. maneuverin' amongst the sheeps while they live their humdrum lives .. lol

KidA
16 March 2010, 12:20
I'm an elephant with a shark on its back, tramping and biting everything I see. And I have lasers for eyes, both on my elephant side and my shark side.

Fortunately I sleep a lot and couldn't be bothered getting up most of the time. It's exhausting having all this hate.

MikeC2W
16 March 2010, 12:46
I'm an elephant with a shark on its back, tramping and biting everything I see. And I have lasers for eyes, both on my elephant side and my shark side.

Fortunately I sleep a lot and couldn't be bothered getting up most of the time. It's exhausting having all this hate.


LOL

RGR.Montcalm
16 March 2010, 14:21
I think many of us are like "Timber shepards"

Not quite as tame as the sheepdog; not as rapacious as the wolf.

We like the members of our 'pack'

Ever vigilent over our pups and mate(s);):biggrin:

Keep your distance from the pack and you will be left alone; fuck with the pack with the understanding we are willing to give our lives protecting it from you.

Husker19D30
16 March 2010, 14:36
Can I be the penguin? Penguins are cool.

Looon
16 March 2010, 14:37
Im a fucking werewolf.

I can change if I have to, to do what's necessary if need be.

Mr. Punchy
16 March 2010, 16:33
I like to think I'm sort of a high-order tool-using problem-solving(sometimes) primate.


These human-animal analogies never sat well with me. Our self awareness and complex psychology negates an pigeonholing. The animals portrayed in these analogies exhibit their behaviors based on genetically programmed instinct, while those of us who have a so-called sheepdog nature tend to make a conscious decision to TRAIN and LEARN about situations so we can act when they arise.


(Wait, can I be a cyborg half bear half gorilla? With a flamethrower and a buzzsaw? That would COOL!)

MikeC2W
16 March 2010, 16:37
Im a fucking werewolf.

I can change if I have to, to do what's necessary if need be.

Can I be batman?

okami1
16 March 2010, 16:51
I think the whole wolf/sheep/sheepdog analogy is a nice happy little way to explain to people who don't want to take any responsibility for their own personal safety why it is people called warriors exist. Dogs come from wolves, after all.

The animals portrayed in these analogies exhibit their behaviors based on genetically programmed instinct, while those of us who have a so-called sheepdog nature tend to make a conscious decision to TRAIN and LEARN about situations so we can act when they arise.


I wouldn't be so quick to talk about animal behavior as exclusively generated by instinct, especially when you're talking about wolves. They adapt and learn. All that playing as a wolf cub IS training for taking down prey. And wolves execute some of the most coordinated and tactically aware assaults on prey seen in the wild. Watching one wolf run down one side of a pack of sheep, gaining their attention and distracting them, while another tears ass from the opposite side and rips one of their throats out at a full out run is pretty neat. If it doesn't work, they try something that does.

Princeps Belli
16 March 2010, 16:51
What if I wear the wolf t-shirt? Am I simply invincible beyond belief, and therefore, incapable of all evil. I've heard of a wolf in sheep's clothing, but what about a man in a wolf T?

This post does in no way, shape, or form relate to Okami1's argument. Just my sad attempt at humor.

okami1
16 March 2010, 21:06
This post does in no way, shape, or form relate to Okami1's argument. Just my sad attempt at humor.

I think Massgrunt is the resident wolf T-shirt expert on here.

Mr. Punchy
16 March 2010, 22:24
I wouldn't be so quick to talk about animal behavior as exclusively generated by instinct, especially when you're talking about wolves. They adapt and learn. All that playing as a wolf cub IS training for taking down prey. And wolves execute some of the most coordinated and tactically aware assaults on prey seen in the wild. Watching one wolf run down one side of a pack of sheep, gaining their attention and distracting them, while another tears ass from the opposite side and rips one of their throats out at a full out run is pretty neat. If it doesn't work, they try something that does.

You make a good point about wolves learning and adapting. The tactics may evolve and be passed on to new generations. However, the base drive for the cubs to learn hunting behavior is still instinct driven. We see domestic canines(evolved from a common ancestor with wolves) exhibit hunting behavior all the time, even in urban house dogs that have never been outside more than 1 hour in their life. My points was that most(all?) Humans actively make a conscious decision to train for the fight. I've never heard of wolf deciding to leave the pack and go take up grazing, or of a sheep to start training in stalking techniques.

Soot
16 March 2010, 22:26
You make a good point about wolves learning and adapting.

I'd swear that my two-year-old was raised by them if I didn't know better...

okami1
16 March 2010, 22:44
You make a good point about wolves learning and adapting. The tactics may evolve and be passed on to new generations. However, the base drive for the cubs to learn hunting behavior is still instinct driven. We see domestic canines(evolved from a common ancestor with wolves) exhibit hunting behavior all the time, even in urban house dogs that have never been outside more than 1 hour in their life. My points was that most(all?) Humans actively make a conscious decision to train for the fight. I've never heard of wolf deciding to leave the pack and go take up grazing, or of a sheep to start training in stalking techniques.

If the sheep did, the dogs would be out of a job. :biggrin:

I get your point, and agree that humans do not have the exact same relationship to instinctually expressed behavior that animals do.