Tactical Operations Rifles

[fish78]

Does anyone have any experience with rifles built by Tactical Operations in Beverly Hills CA. Mike Rescignio is the owner and Max Maven is his chief gunsmith and designer. www.tacticaloperations.com (http://www.tacticaloperations.com)
Claims 1/4 minute of angle accuracy guarentee. The prices are hight but the rifles appear to be quality all the way. i would be interested in hearing of any experience either good or bad. Tactical?, Gary? Anybody?

[fish78]

BTT

[Pat Murphy]

Fish,
I find it hard to believe that he can guarantee that kindof accuracy. I am always suspicous of those kind of claims unless its for 3 shot groups and not 5. In that case thats not big deal. It used to be the accuracy claims were for 5 shot groups and now it seems they are all only claiming 3 shot group accuracy.

There is a lot of difference between that kind of accuracy. If your going to do tactical shooting any rifle capable of .5 to .75 is plenty good enough. But Iam sure your just like me you want a gun that will shoot better than you do.(HA)

[fish78]

Pat,
I don't know whether it was a 3 or 5 shot group; my assumption was 5.
At this stage of my life a Daisy Red Rider will probably shoot beyond my ability! You are right however, we all want to know if that serendipitous situation arises the equipment will be up to the task. LOL! I have spoken wit Rescignio and he really believes he has built a better mouse trap. The LA County Sheriff's (SEB) or whatever they call their high speed unit is using them...supossedly the Secret Service ordered several in .300 mag for delivery prior to the inauagration. Did you go to his site?

[Pat Murphy]

Fish,
I went into the sight and read the articles he has in SWAT and they were all 3 shot groups. I am not saying thats bad but I like to see a average of 5 5 shot groups as a minimum for what a rifle is capable of. If we brag on the occasional "Great" group we shoot then I would have some one hole rifles for 3 shot groups.(HA)

From his discriptions of his rifles I would say that they would be a good solid .5 average rifle with good ammo and shooter. There would be some under and a few over but it would hold hard in the .5 range for the 308s and 300WMs. This is where mine all fall.

I have similar setups to his and have shot some 5 shot quarter inch groups and some low .7s with the same gun. On any given day though if I do my part it will average in the .5s for 5 5 shot groups. Hope this helps.

[fish78]

Thanks Pat,
I went back to the site and determined that as you say they were 3 shot groups. I still think they are fine, albeit expensive, rifles. I am afraid that at this time they are not in my budget. I can always dream!

[RifleMaster]

Many claim 1/4 MOA accuracy, but very few can deliver!

First question: What type of ammo, i.e., cases, powder, primers, load, bullet, bullet seating depth, and distance off the lands?

It's common knowledge that MATCH ammo won't shoot a 1/4 MOA.

We've covered this before!

Keep holding'em hard!

Carl

[fish78]

Carl, Pat et al.,
All of you guys know a lot more than I do but check this link: www.snipercentral.com/tango51.htm (http://www.snipercentral.com/tango51.htm)

I have no clue who this Mel guy is but he claims to be an authority.

[RifleMaster]

Hi fish 78,

I reviewed the specs of the tango 51.

I think the tango 51 is a good rifle, but not headspaced to 0.001 of an inch!

I would like them to explain how they obtain their headspacing within 0.001 (plus or minus 0.0005 inch). The average human hair is about 0.006 in diameter. So, to accomplish this tolerance accummulation on a production bases, the tolerances of their chamber reamer, the tolerance of the barrel shoulder, and the tolerance or thickness variation of the lug would have to add up to plus or minus 0.0005 of an inch. We have to keep in mind that all manufacturing processes have some variation. Tool and machine wear contribute to the process variation.

I would also like to know if they ship a 1/4 MOA "proof" target with each rifle.

The targets shown were 1 inch dots at 100 yards, and only 3 shot groups. I would like them to use multiple 5 shot groups at 200 yards. Makes it easier to measure the group. http://www.socnetcentral.com/ubboard/wink.gif

Keep holding'em hard!

Carl

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[Pat Murphy]

Carl..
Well said!! Like I told fish earlier we have all shot those occasional one hole groups but the next one out of the same rifle can be a .6 or even a .7 with a bad round. Ammo is the biggest limiting factor in the accuracy game in my opinion.
All you need for a good tactical rifle is one that will shoot .7 or under most of the time. In the field many other things will affect where the bullet hits and will need to be mastered before you need a quarter inch rifle.

[fish78]

Thanks for all the good ifo guys! I would still be interested to hear from anyone who has any experience with Rescigno and his rifles.
Thanks

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"If you are in a fair fight, your tactics suck."
Herschel Davis

[RifleMaster]

Pat,

I agree, you're right-on!

Carl