4th Force Recon

[CQB0316]

I was just wondering what exactly the process entails for an active 0311/0316 to go over to a reserve Recon unit. I would have given them a call and talked to their monitor but im currently in Japan. I will have about 11 months of active duty left when we get back to the states so im trying to start the process as soon as possible. Am I going to have to wait until Im off of active duty to go to BRC or how does that work? Thanks in advance for any help and information.

[BigNickT]

It would seem to me that you would need to be in a unit that gets a quota of class seats at BRC. That most likely doesn't include your current unit (2/7). The only way I can see you getting to BRC before your EAS wold be if the reserve unit you're going to is willing to cough up a seat for you, AND your current unit is willing to let you go TAD prior to getting out. The likelihood of that is slim because the reserve unit doesn't know you yet, you haven't passed their selection process, and I doubt they would risk wasting a seat on someone they don't know anything about. However, it wouldn't hurt to call and ask. Stranger things have happened. Just don't hold your breath.

The only other possibility is if BRC does a standby quota kind of thing. When I worked at ARS the units from Lejeune sometimes sent more men than they had seats for. That way if someone failed the screening there was another guy waiting in the wings to fill that seat. If BRC still does this you might slide in. Keep in mind that what I'm talking about is 10+ years ago. I don't know if BRC still operates the same way now that they're closer to the flagpole.

Tax out

[Petey]

Start talking to the 4th Recon Bn Company that you want to join. You can find them online, google 4th Recon. They should be able to tell you all about it. Also the Marinecorpstimes recently had a story about 10,000$ bonus's for AD to go Reserve. If your pretty fit and mature you should have no problem. I believe your background will help you a lot. One pointer though turn yourself into a PT and Swim stud before you show up to try out. And another option is the National Guard Special Forces. I know a ton of former Marines in NGSF.

[CQB0316]

Ok, thanks for the advice. I actually looked into NGSF and am still not sure what im going to do yet.

[18C4V]

Ok, thanks for the advice. I actually looked into NGSF and am still not sure what im going to do yet.

There is a NG SF Company in California near San Diego and there is 4th Force Reconnaissance Company in Alameda, CA which is near San Francisco.

http://www.marforres.usmc.mil/4thmardiv/4thForceRecon/

Of course, this is all based upon if you want to move back to CA.

We do have quite a few Marines in our NG SF Company. I have two on my team with one of them being a 8654 in Oki whose now a 18C.

[Kalanis]

I was in 4th Force Recon in Hawaii out of high school - back on Peltier. One of our guys went through the 18C course as a Marine. I later joined active Army and got 18C. There were more than a few Marines that did the same thing and we had four or five former Force guys in my battalion. Looks like if you want a certain 18 mos, NG is the way to go.

[alnakhla]

FYI. Currently 4th Force has about 6 boat spaces available for 0321 Marines who wish to transfer from active to the reserve side. As of now there are now plans to send non 0321s to BRC. The only opportunities available at 4th Force is the Anti-Terrorsim BN. Considering that the BN is sort of brand new they are looking for some bodies, particularly 03s. If you're interested, speak to your prior service recruiter. But one caveat to keep in mind is that once you're over there at AT BN, 1st SGT Brown, the I&I 1st SGT, will NOT let you go just because you want a seat at BRC. Keep that in mind. If I were you, I would try obtaining a reenlistment contract to BRC. Talk to your career planner bout that.

[Shark0311]

When I was with 4th Force the TO was for three platoons. A new join would simply sign up to the unit if your MOS was 03 or 06 you were given the option of going to the RIP. It could take 2 months to 2 years depending on the INCDOC cycle or based on the cadre's recommendation for you to be sent to BRC or ARS. At the time we had 12 - 15 operators so opportunities abound for motivated individuals looking to start the school progression. Granted this was from 1999 to 2003 so I am sure things have changed a bit.

[Shark0311]

alnakhla,

I have been out of the loop for a long time what is the Anti-Terrorism BN?

[alnakhla]

From what I understand the battalion is a new concept. I guess they're suppose to act as a supporting role to 4th Force, kind of like a trailer platoon, if you know what I mean. There isn't a formal operation profile for the AT BN yet, and the TO/E hasn't exactly been clarified either. This is according to 1st SGT Brown by the way. As of now the Marines there are assuming the role of Security Forces. The AT BN is infantry oriented, therefore holding an 03 MOS or qualifying as an 03 is relevant.

[SOTB]

As of now the Marines there are assuming the role of Security Forces. The AT BN is infantry oriented, therefore holding an 03 MOS or qualifying as an 03 is relevant.That reads suspiciously like a FAST unit. Which for me personally, would be a pretty unfulfilling gig (or not so much the job -- but being in a Recon Bn and being assigned to that job)....

[Shark0311]

From what I understand the battalion is a new concept. I guess they're suppose to act as a supporting role to 4th Force, kind of like a trailer platoon, if you know what I mean. There isn't a formal operation profile for the AT BN yet, and the TO/E hasn't exactly been clarified either. This is according to 1st SGT Brown by the way. As of now the Marines there are assuming the role of Security Forces. The AT BN is infantry oriented, therefore holding an 03 MOS or qualifying as an 03 is relevant.

Thanks for bringing me up to speed man.

[VMI_Marine]

From what I understand the battalion is a new concept. I guess they're suppose to act as a supporting role to 4th Force, kind of like a trailer platoon, if you know what I mean. There isn't a formal operation profile for the AT BN yet, and the TO/E hasn't exactly been clarified either. This is according to 1st SGT Brown by the way. As of now the Marines there are assuming the role of Security Forces. The AT BN is infantry oriented, therefore holding an 03 MOS or qualifying as an 03 is relevant.

Anti Terrorism Bn actually isn't that new, AD infantry battalions rotated duty as AT Bn as part of 4th MEB(AT) after 9/11. In 2005 or so, they stood up a separate battalion to perform the role. It was essentially a deployable Security Forces battalion that could beef up security at certain installations. For instance, in 2002-3, companies from the designated AT Bn rotated through the US Embassy in Kabul. As SOTB said, it was very similar to FAST, which is perhaps why the CMC decided to reflag the active duty AT Bn as 2/9 and move that capability to the reserve component. I don't see much need for 4th Force to have a company of dedicated "trailers", I imagine that grew out of the unit leadership and I&I staff searching for a mission.

[alnakhla]

VMI_Marine,

I didn't realize the AT BN has been around for several years. And I also agree with you about the need for trailers at 4th Force. This idea most definitely came from the imaginations of the I&I staff. And can tell you for a fact that the Marines at the AT BN are doing absolutely nothing. They do formations three times a day during drill and that's about it, sometimes they'll throw a PT session. 3 Marines were already ADSEPd. The most recent one was a non 03 who was stationed at K-bay. He just left AD and wanted to stay in Hawaii. He joined the unit on the reserve side and was sent to SOI Pendleton to attend ITB to qualify as a grunt. This guy ended up beating the shit out some boot in his training CO. He beat him so bad that the kid had to be rushed to the Naval Hospital on main side. SGTMAJ Manriques at 4th Force got an unpleasant phone call from SGTMAJ Vines, SOI West SGTMAJ, about the incident. If anyone here ever met SGTMAJ Vines, you'd know not to piss him off. So as of now, the AT BN has a bit tarnished rep because these clowns, and unfortunately, the opportunities for BRC has sort been closed for motivated Marines. A few rotten apples do spoil the whole barrel.

[RAT]

Alnakhla,

You have 4 post and still no introduction. Please go and do an intro before posting again.

RO!!!

[alnakhla]

Rat,

FYI, just posted an intro per your request for your quick reading entertainment. Now who the hell are you?

[RAT]

Rat,

FYI, just posted an intro per your request for your quick reading entertainment. Now who the hell are you?

1st: Your SA sucks.

2nd: Check your attitude.

3rd: The intro post is not up to me. It is the rule of the site.

4th: I am the Mod here this is MY forum. So refer back to #1.

RO!!!

[BigNickT]

Oh Snap!!

Tax out

[alnakhla]

First of my man, didn't know you were the Mod. I'm not going to respond to someone who don't know or especially if that person is Joe Blow on this site. There are lots of wannabes who frequent here that ask stupid questions. For I know you could been some punk trying to pull my chain. Just cause you got that "Been There Done That" claim under your screen name doesn't make it so. With that being said, I've been around the block too my friend. Just so you know before you start slapping your dick around to see who's bigger. Out!

[Shark0311]

First of my man, didn't know you were the Mod. I'm not going to respond to someone who don't know or especially if that person is Joe Blow on this site. There are lots of wannabes who frequent here that ask stupid questions. For I know you could been some punk trying to pull my chain. Just cause you got that "Been There Done That" claim under your screen name doesn't make it so. With that being said, I've been around the block too my friend. Just so you know before you start slapping your dick around to see who's bigger. Out!

Sorry dude but RAT has you one this one.

The expectations are pretty damn clear. He was simply reaffirming them. You fucked up not him.

Bill

[STOIC1]

alnakhla, check your ego at the door dude, there's about 2 degrees of separation in here...

[RAT]

Just cause you got that "Been There Done That" claim under your screen name doesn't make it so.

Again, your SA sucks...

As STOIC posted we are min 2deg of separation here.

Where do you want me to start. I am SUPER BOOT to, Silverbullet, BigNickT, T-Rex, SOTB, YARG, ReconHawaii,and others on this board... I was a super boot to them 20 plus yrs ago in Recon.

Then there is Cayenne 6, Fingers, Doc N, who could be your grand fathers. They have done the deal before you were a drip coming out of where you came from.

JSOCMarine82... Well if you don't know... You better go ask your 1stSgt who you seem to be scared of.LOL

I know who you are. I am just a Reg Marine who made it into 3rd Recon Bn Bco DRP before all this stuff was cool. Did a lot of bodybuilders and one of the few to Bear crawl from Cubie Point around the Subic Bay flight line and back up to Upper MAU / MEF. (Damn that was worth the 4days of libo. Hahaha ReconHawaii pulling Doc E's honey out of Metallica's...Demp getting a little pissed because being a jr Marine I should have made ReconHawaii ( even though I was a LCpl and he was a Sgt) go back to base the 1st night of libo. LMFAO...

This was no dick measuring contest. No need to do that on this site. ( Very few would even be allowed to put their hands on the zipper with the people we have here)

Everyone who is a BTDT vetted.

Period...

Have a Great Marine Corps day.

S/F

RO!!!

[SOTB]

Have a Great Marine Corps day....Lifer....:biggrin:

[RAT]

Lifer....:biggrin:

BLOW!!!:biggrin:

RO!!!

[VMI_Marine]

Just cause you got that "Been There Done That" claim under your screen name doesn't make it so.

Actually, yes it does. Everyone with "BTDT" under their screen name has been vetted by the folks who run this site. If you see someone with that tag under their name, and you suspect they are not verified SOF, please report them and it will be dealt with.

With that being said, I've been around the block too my friend. Just so you know before you start slapping your dick around to see who's bigger. Out!

I'm really having a hard time understanding how you, who started the dick measuring, think that you can attempt to caution a Moderator about slapping dicks around. It would have taken very little effort on your part to learn your surroundings for you to find out that RAT is a long standing, well respected member of this board, not to mention the moderator of this forum. (Ok, the "well respected" part might be over the top, but he has been around a long f*cking time.) Take a step back and reel in your ego.

[Hoof]

If I were you I would listen more and talk less!!!

[Silverbullet]

First of my man, didn't know you were the Mod. I'm not going to respond to someone who don't know or especially if that person is Joe Blow on this site. There are lots of wannabes who frequent here that ask stupid questions. For I know you could been some punk trying to pull my chain. Just cause you got that "Been There Done That" claim under your screen name doesn't make it so. With that being said, I've been around the block too my friend. Just so you know before you start slapping your dick around to see who's bigger. Out!

Good bye.

[Cayenne6]

Then there is Cayenne 6, Fingers, Doc N, who could be your grand fathers. They have done the deal before you were a drip coming out of where you came from.

Shit.......being from just this side of the stone age of Recon makes me feel sooooooooo old. Seeing it in print I have an overwhelming urge to dig out my club to use for a crutch.

[RAT]

Shit.......being from just this side of the stone age of Recon makes me feel sooooooooo old. Seeing it in print I have an overwhelming urge to dig out my club to use for a crutch.

B,

Did not mean for you to feel badly.

VMI,

That was good lol... CB... I know where you are... :biggrin:...

A, young dude... Sorry the boss spoke.

RO!!!

[Silverbullet]

A, young dude... Sorry the boss spoke.

RO!!!

His attitude sucked. He thought he was in a position to call someone out when he hadn't even bothered to get the slightest bit familiar with the board.

[Mortalitus]

Again, your SA sucks...

As STOIC posted we are min 2deg of separation here.

Where do you want me to start. I am SUPER BOOT to, Silverbullet, BigNickT, T-Rex, SOTB, YARG, ReconHawaii,and others on this board... I was a super boot to them 20 plus yrs ago in Recon.

Then there is Cayenne 6, Fingers, Doc N, who could be your grand fathers. They have done the deal before you were a drip coming out of where you came from.

JSOCMarine... Well if you don't know... You better go ask your 1stSgt who you seem to be scared of.LOL

I know who you are. I am just a Reg Marine who made it into 3rd Recon Bn Bco DRP before all this stuff was cool. Did a lot of bodybuilders and one of the few to Bear crawl from Cubie Point around the Subic Bay flight line and back up to Upper MAU / MEF. (Damn that was worth the 4days of libo. Hahaha ReconHawaii pulling Doc E's honey out of Metallica's...Demp getting a little pissed because being a jr Marine I should have made ReconHawaii ( even though I was a LCpl and he was a Sgt) go back to base the 1st night of libo. LMFAO...

This was no dick measuring contest. No need to do that on this site. ( Very few would even be allowed to put their hands on the zipper with the people we have here)

Everyone who is a BTDT vetted.

Period...

Have a Great Marine Corps day.

S/F

RO!!!

Not getting in on this Rat, just read this and couldn't stop laughing.

[Cayenne6]

Rat

It's not possible to make me feel bad. Old maybe but that happens anyway when I sup with you young whippersnappers in Tx. or see flicks of myself with guys who have served within the last 10 years. At 60 I still possess the mindset of the 20 year old kid who booked down high speed trails in Nam but after the last bike wreck I am officially over the hill. I can no longer out work three men. It's down to two. Instead of hitting a dude 10 times and jumping back watching 9 land I only get to watch 5. Yep, grandpa is on the downhill slide.

[VMI_Marine]

VMI,

That was good lol... CB... I know where you are... :biggrin:...

That's alright, I've got my pet brigade of Iraqis right now. Granted, they may not be worth much in a fight, but there's over 2000 of 'em. Sometimes quantity has a quality of its own. :cool:

Hell, after August, well you're always welcome to come grab a beer in Surf City.

His attitude sucked. He thought he was in a position to call someone out when he hadn't even bothered to get the slightest bit familiar with the board.

That's what bothered me most - no attempt at SA. I was surprised he was still around as long as he was - RAT must be getting soft in his old age. :biggrin:

[RAT]

I tried to help the young Marine. Sometimes you just see a car wreck a coming.

M, Glad you had a good laugh...I was not trying to be hateful. Just point him in the right direction. (Did not work)

C6, maybe in your neck of the woods for a while in FL... When does that crusie go... I might be all ovaer that.

SB, Your the SUPER MOD. You say the young one goes... The young one goes...

VMI...You got the beer coming. Just get back safe and sound. As for the 2000 Iraqi's... I'll see if I can mess up the pay.:biggrin:

RO!!!

[Mortalitus]

Oh I know you werent being mean. It's just like an Old Salt Dog Named Sorrels told me some years ago. Real Marines don't show Nutz, because real Marines know they have them.
I think some guys just need to pull a stop check before they hit that activate button and create thier account. Figure out what they are looking for in here.I have'nt been here long but it's obvious that this is the internet, but in reality in a way it functions like unit mentality. If your checking ito a new unit the last thing you do is go in showing your ass, and talking about how bad ass you last unit was. Or a bigger fish is going to very quickly clip your fins and show you the door.
Everyone knows that, and that guy obviously was a rock or had his B.H.U. all adrift.

[Silverbullet]

That's what bothered me most - no attempt at SA.

Yep.

I also think it went deeper than that. He was in the wrong. He was reminded to fix that wrong. It didn't matter who told him about it, he was wrong. The fact that he thought he could talk smack to Rat, a Mod and BTDT, made it even worse.

This dude assumed Rat was a nobody and thought that justified telling him to screw off after he was reminded he had failed to comply with the rules.

I used to tell my NCO's, SNCO's and Officers, that if they didn't want to get corrected by someone junior to them or someone who was in the unit for less time, then don't show your ass.

This dude obviously never received that information.

[Cayenne6]

Rat

Email me the time frame you'll be in Fl. We've got over 100 Marines & Corpsmen on the Cruise. It's Nov. 8 -13. Good way to spend the Corps' Bday. There will be a ceremony complete with cake cutting. Info at http://www.1streconbnassociation.org/1Slow/SlowSiteMap.htm Scroll down until you see Marine Cruise. Get as many of your Buds and jump on board.

[JSOC Marine 82]

Rat- If you're talking about me when you mention JSOC Marine, please add the 82 at the end. The other guy is a fake and I don't want to be confused with him.

Oh, joined 3d Force in June '67 which was a long, long time ago.

Just hit 70 so I'm definitely in the "Grandfather" group.

[RAT]

Rat- If you're talking about me when you mention JSOC Marine, please add the 82 at the end. The other guy is a fake and I don't want to be confused with him.

Oh, joined 3d Force in June '67 which was a long, long time ago.

Just hit 70 so I'm definitely in the "Grandfather" group.

Roger that Sir, will not happen again. I should have added the 82. Slip on my part.

I will correct this matter.

Hope all is well.

RO!!!

[Ritter]

Who here is presently serving with 4th Force? I'm looking into joining that unit so I'm trying to get some contacts.

[Balls]

Hello,

Well I guess this where I post an intro. Some gents over at the USMC forum were complaining that I didn't introduce myself, for that I apologize for evading an introduction. To keep it sweet and simple I enlisted in the Corps in 2002. I was stationed at 1st Marine Regiment at camp Horno in Pendleton. I was assaigned to 1st BN 4th Marines Alfa Raider Co. Deployed to Iraq in OIF-I and later OIF-II during Najaf. After the battalion's 13th MEU deployment in 2005 I re-enlisted and went to RTP. After getting my ass kicked at RTP I went to BRC and got my ass kicked some more. I continued to get my ass kicked while at 1st Reconnaissance Battalion at Camp Marguerita in Pendleton. I just EASd from active duty and I am now at 4th Force Reconnaissance Co at Kaneohe Bay Hawaii.

FWIW, something is fishy here. Nobody spells Alpha "Alfa" Raider and the BN pumped w/ 11th MEU in 06. 1/4 was also just getting back from Iraq in 05, also w/ 11th MEU. So, there is no way he pumped w/ 13th MEU while in 1/4 during 2005. And as stated, his SA sucks.

Back to my hole.

[RAT]

Back to my hole.

Our fighting position.;)

RO!!!

[Balls]

Our fighting position.;)

RO!!!

All you. Just don't want this douche making A 1/4 look bad. :smile:

[theconnect]

Yeah not sure when he left with the 13th MEU in 2005 (could have been a 2004-2005 deployment) because I was with 2/1 and we were on the 13th MEU from 2005 through 2006? Also "Marguerita" is Camp Margarita and I know many say that you are either a smart Marine or a strong Marine but I am with Balls on this one smells a bit more than fishy...

[sarc88]

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