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Sharky
29 November 2000, 03:39
I have shamelessly plagerized this from another website. It's the best advice to sniper wannabe's I have ever read.


"Rick"

Try to imagine the worst way of life you can. Now, multiply that times 14. Now square it. Now add 400. That being done,
you're nowhere NEAR what it's like to be in the military as an enlisted man, or as an officer. Headaches, B.S., undeserved
blame, screaming, B.S., crappy hours, little or NO free time, questionable quality in food, heat, cold, humidity, dryness, clothes
that don't fit right, B.S., someone trying to kill you, someone saying that you kill children for fun, digging up landmines,
emplacing landmines, checking landmines, B.S., equipment made by the lowest bidder (to ESPECIALLY include your
weapons), MORE undeserved blame, urinalysis tests, poking, prodding, physical testing, academic testing, studying, studying,
studying, studying, studying, studying, studying, studying, teaching (yes, teaching), following unreasonable (though "legal")
orders, following stupid (though "legal") orders, following deadly (though "legal") orders, ISSUING unreasonable (though
"legal") orders, ISSUING stupid (though "legal") orders, ISSUING deadly (though "legal") orders, B.S., bugs crawling on you,
bugs feeding off of you, bugs KILLING you, germs KILLING you, toxic gases KILLING you... oh, and did you say you
wanted to be a sniper? Oh, well, in that case, you can also add:

Little or no support in an operation you're on that goes bad, crapping in your pants and urinating in your pants because you can't
run off to a latrine because you'll blow your stalk or give away your hide, running out of food, equipment that was built by the
lowest bidder (including your weapons AND optics), failure to receive credit unless you've got a "confirmed" kill, watching
through your scope as the bullet you just launched takes off the head, from the nose up, your target -- then LIVING with what
you've done, and doing it AGAIN and AGAIN and AGAIN -- bugs, bugs, bugs, and more bugs... bugs you've got on you that
you CAN'T swat for tactical reasons, bugs that can kill you, bugs that you've got to eat because you've run out of food (did I
mention little or NO support while you're on a mission?), if you're caught you could be sliced, diced, tortured, raped (yes,
raped), skinned alive and then killed "just because" you're a sniper (snipers get "special" treatment by the enemy).

You should NOT join the military because you'll be given financial assistance for college, or because you'll receive job training,
because you'll get a steady paycheck, or because your girlfriend will think you look snazzy in uniform. Nobody JOINS the
military to become Rambo, they GET OUT because they're Rambo. The military is NOT the place for John Rambo. If you've
never read "Murphy's Laws of Combat," you should. You really should

Sniping isn't just killing people. It's B.S., too. You can't forget the B.S., because it's always there, no matter what rank or job
you have. As a sniper, you're an intelligence gatherer, you make and file reports, you have to NOT engage targets that you
"know" you should (because your unreasonable-but-legal orders forbid it), and all the time... someone is trying to hunt YOU
down, to kill YOU, because YOU'RE a SNIPER! Fun? It's not fun, it's B.S., and it's just a job. Snipers support the mission,
support the commander, and save lives. It's tough work and it's not glamorous.

Why should you become a sniper? Carlos Hathcock said it best, that the job picks the man, not the other way around. Believe
it. You hear and read about all the "successful" snipers. What if you're not one of them. What if you turn into some psychotic
killer? What if you end up beating your wife, using drugs, abusing your children, and living off welfare. It happens, and I've
SEEN it happen. Killing people is "grown up" business, it's NOT for kids. If you ARE a kid, you WON'T be after you're first
kill. Never again. No more innocence. You can't go back. If you really do want to be a sniper, do it because snipers SAVE
lives, not because you want to kill. Also, in your letter to my friend, you referred to Vietnamese people using the "G" word...
and I want to comment on that.

It is ALMOST a "necessity" to objectify your enemy in war, for many reasons including psychological ones, because it makes it
easier to kill them. A "little" easier. Remember, however, that the guy whose head you're about to take off might have a wallet
with pictures of his wife, his kids, his daughter's first birthday party, a letter from his mom telling him that she's worried about
him, maybe a letter from his wife saying that she's divorcing him to marry the guy she's been having the affair with while he was
gone serving his country. Maybe he's had a hard day. Maybe he's been eating bugs, too, because HE'S gotten "little or no
support," and so on. And now, you're about to kill him. See, he's really not a "G" word, he's a human being who isn't going to
ever see his family, his friends, or mow his yard or play with his dog ever again. He's NOT a "G" word, he's a person.
Remember that. Think what you have to in order to do the job, but when it's over, really over, remember that the "targets" you
"serviced" were once living people, and they aren't anymore because of YOU. Period.

If you want to be a sniper, try for the job, and if your instructors think you have what it takes, fine. If, however, they say you
don't pass the course, then... move on! Have something else to fall back on! Exercise your options! Again, like Carlos said, the
job picks the man, not the other way around. If the job DOESN'T pick you, then "get a life" and MOVE ON! Snipers are a
special breed, yes, but if you aren't a sniper it doesn't mean you're a piece of dirt. It just means what it means... that you aren't a
sniper.

So, why SHOULD you join the military? I'll give you three reasons. Because you love your country, you love your country, and
because you love your country.


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F.I.D.O.

Repp
29 November 2000, 08:17
Love your country?
That is a reason?

Gunny Hicks
29 November 2000, 10:05
God, Country and Corps.

If you don't understand, then it's just a job for you, and you don't belong.

Repp
29 November 2000, 11:17
I know most of you guys moderatly(or not) detest me. I am NOT against patriotism, or religion. A lot of you people connect your job with your country and God. I'm NOT saying it's wrong, just in my opinion it is not good to have God and country as the ONLY reasons. Germany already went in the wrong direction with too much patriotism. Maybe that's why I think that way.

Repp

jcollettusa
29 November 2000, 14:06
Yeah, you are right, but your Religious reasons are different than our. The "Gheist" spirit that was driving Hitler in WWII was totally different than how we view our God or what our Religion tells us to do.

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Semper Fi

HmtPD2
29 November 2000, 14:37
Our Patriotism and Love of God and Country is what ended Hitler's "Patriotism and Love of Country."

Semper Fi!!!
Wpns Co, HMG , 1st Battalion 6th Marines

Gunny Hicks
29 November 2000, 16:56
Repp:

We can agree that we disagree....

The Marine Corps mentality, and our ethos is beyond your grasp. It is unfortunate that you will never know what we have come to understand and love about being a United State Marine. Our motto 'Semper Fidelis' and the phrase 'God, Country and Corps' is synonomous with it means to be a Marine.

Linus
30 November 2000, 05:39
H.U.A.

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Honestas supra omnis

Repp
30 November 2000, 11:21
HmtPD: Yes sure the Allies (notice I'm NOT saying you) defeted germany (thank God), and I want to get away from religion, since everyone has his own oppinion. Just think about if the love for your country is the ONLY reason why you all became snipers. (as it was said in the quote)

Repp

Linus
30 November 2000, 15:31
Well, Repp!

As you seem to not quite share neither the opinion nor the sentiment of the other guys, yet still appear to have an interrest in the subject matter, could you please tell me what YOUR incitement is? There are no "good" reasons for warfare, so to speak, but what reason except the defense of anything dear and sacred to you could possibly motivate you to the degree that you put the sanctity of life and the principles you live by aside and take the stance that to your death, you will defy any attempt to cross the line you've drawn in the sand? We all have different motives but they all share one specific trait: We believe in them. Socrates said that in order to understand a line of reason you must first understand the principle of Good: Why does the motive infer ligitmacy to the reason?

So, Repp, minding Socrate's words:
What is your reason?

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Honestas supra omnis

Sharky
1 December 2000, 01:48
And to make a slight correction. He said that you should join the military because you love your country, not become a sniper.

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F.I.D.O.

Repp
1 December 2000, 12:10
Thank you for the correction sharky. That is it then. To join the military out of devotion (not love) to your country is totaly legitimate. http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif

Sorry, my bad

Repp

STN
8 December 2000, 21:15
Repp,
Read it again! "Join because you LOVE your country"!

Damn, that boy is thick!!!

RogueExec
9 December 2000, 20:59
I can barely recognize this thread anymore....didn't it used to be a dead horse?

Jesse
10 December 2000, 20:18
Repp, 'Love your country' is a command not a reason. 'Because you love your country' is the only reason to join. Otherwise you are taking advantage of your country, and I don't want someone in combat with me that is only there to go to college. I understand that not everyone can afford college, but there are so many scholerships in the US today, especially for minoraties, with enough determination, you could go to almost any college almost free. Just for the record, I don't know you and have no reason to detest you.
One final note, if you don't connect a military job with your country, who do you work for?

Okay, I'm done.

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"Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today"
-- James Dean

-Jesse Foust

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Repp
11 December 2000, 11:02
Jesse,

I connect the job with that for which the country stands for. Liberty, Democracy etc. Take these away, and I'll be in the first line to charge my own country.

Repp

justagrunt
11 December 2000, 11:28
I smell a future mercenary...

RogueExec
11 December 2000, 11:35
Fence Rider

abaustin
11 December 2000, 18:31
Not to jump into a conversation where I'm not wanted, but I think you guys are missing what Repp is trying to say.

A country is just a collection of people with an ideal. In the U.S. our ideal is written in the Declaration of Independance, our Constitution, and the Pledge of Allegiance. It was built on ideas: Free Speech, the Right to practice the religion(s) of your choice, the Right to bear arms, etc. It was built on the concept that noone has a 'right' to govern, but rather you need to be selected. It was built on a peaceful transition of Government. There is so much involved in our idea of 'Country' that it's impossible (at least for me) to try and define it, but that's what we mean by 'Love our Country.'

What Repp is saying, at least from my reading, is that he doesn't fight for 'Germany' he fights for the ideals of his government. As a German, I imagine that's the majority's outlook, as 'Love of Germany' has lead them down the wrong path twice in the past.

I think you guys are actually both saying the same thing, just in a different manner. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I apologize, but that's what it seems like to me.

Andy

Linus
12 December 2000, 05:59
I'm sorry guys but I'm gonna have to agree with Abaustin/Repp on that!

And a mercenary fights for whoever is paying him. Fighting for ideals is more in the line of being a crusader of sorts, a paladin.

With your line of reasoning, which of these do you find yourself closer to?

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Honestas supra omnis

671grains_of_diplomacy
13 December 2000, 05:05
"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the bodies of those people I had to kill because they pissed me off."


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"You only live once, but if you work it right, once is enough."

Jesse
13 December 2000, 21:23
Isn't that on a T-shirt in the overly expensive Brigade QM?

http://www.actiongear.com/agcatalog/pics/att22a.jpg

I thought so.

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"Dream as if you'll live forever, Live as if you'll die today"
-- James Dean

-Jesse Foust

josepy
13 December 2000, 23:59
Pretty gay either way.

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The post above is the opinion of it's author and not necessarily that of everyone in the Marine Corps.

Sharky
14 December 2000, 03:14
<LMAO at Josepy> Your bedside manner is to be commended Dr. J.

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F.I.D.O.

RogueExec
14 December 2000, 10:46
How does the saying go....."Heckuva brain surgeon but flunked bedside manner."

LOL, josepy

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"We're surrounded. That simplifies the problem!"

Repp
14 December 2000, 15:24
LOL!

I've been called a lot of things, some things I even deserved. I was never called a merc.

http://www.specialoperations.com/ubboard/smile.gif Merry Christmas to all of you.

Repp

P.S. Bush seemed to have won after all, congrats!

TacticalRifleBKH
29 December 2000, 11:46
I think Sharky pretty well summed it up in the first place.......and the funny thing is that when I got out of the military and the bugs stopped biting me, It started all over again when I became a commercial diver in the Gulf of Mexico. Kind of strange how a job picks a person, huh?


God Bless in the new year, Face Your Fears...Live Your Dreams....

Thanks to everyone that gave me intel bout optics a while back......

Sharky
29 December 2000, 14:35
Thanks for the compliment bro, but, the article was written by Condor over at www.snipercountry.com (http://www.snipercountry.com) and all credit goes to him. As was said before, it is a little melodramatic but overall is good advice and gives the youngsters a little something to think about before they sign the dotted line for the sole purpose of becoming the next Tom Berenger. Good luck with the ghillie and let us know how it turns out.

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F.I.D.O.

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