MISO

[SHOOB]

I heard about this change this morning across the way. Will this impact how operations are run?
http://smallwarsjournal.com/blog/2010/06/miso-is-it-soup-yet/

[Frog]

No impact. Just cost to change all the letterhead and signage.

[PSYOP ROB]

Hopefully this wont add more confusion and will get those who feared the term "PSYOP" to calm down.
And no, Im not changing my screen name to MISO Rob.
MISO Horny is a possibility though :biggrin:

[37F5V]

Like Frog said... Zero impact other then changes to signage, FMs, etc.
I have a sinking feeling that I'm going to be listening to MISO Horny jokes until I retire, of course given the coed nature of the business it's not far off the mark.

[Baildog]

CAPOC becomes CAMISOC?

[TPD1280]

So glad I'm retired.



The whole article can be read here: http://psyopregiment.blogspot.com/2010/06/miso-is-it-soup-yet.html

COL Dietz challenges those in leadership positions to do what is right, put personal opinons about the name change aside and Charlie Mike.

For those who do not know him, COL Lawrence D. Dietz is a retired PSYOP officer, and former Commander of 12th POB. I served under him in Bosnia in 1997.

[Darren]

Screwed up pay, missing voucher payments, pointless changes. These things matter for retention. We're already losing experienced NCOs due to OPTEMPO, and I guarantee they will see this as an insult from the Big Army. Not helpful, IMO. On the other hand, maybe I can take that 79V slot and spend my time drinking coffee...

If the mission isn't changing and it's no big deal, then why do it?

[37F5V]

Screwed up pay, missing voucher payments, pointless changes. These things matter for retention. We're already losing experienced NCOs due to OPTEMPO, and I guarantee they will see this as an insult from the Big Army. Not helpful, IMO. On the other hand, maybe I can take that 79V slot and spend my time drinking coffee...

If the mission isn't changing and it's no big deal, then why do it?

My take is that this is a USSOCOM decision. If the Officers, Soldiers, and NCO's take this as an insult and decide to pack their bags because of it, I say get the F gone. Seriously, who cares? IMHO there is much to be gained by a bit of anonymity.

Personally I don't think that "PSYOP" is a true representation of what we do anyway. In my opinion the missions that we are tasked to accomplish cover a much broader spectrum, so I have no heart burn over it.

Also consider that by changing our embassy teams moniker to MIST we've opened up avenues within civilian agencies who might otherwise shun our capability due to the negative connotation that PSYOP (read propaganda) brings with it.

People will piss and moan... They'll get over it.

[Darren]

We in the RC seem to be a little hypersensitive about these things; we have a lot more folks than the AC, but aren't around all the time, so it seems like things are done in the "dead of night" without us having any say in the matter.

I think Frog will be proven accurate in the end however, and it won't have any day to day effect on us.

[PSYOP ROB]

I personally dont care what we get called. We already have MISTs, and a JMISC. If the CDR gets what we do with the new name, and the other folks we work with embrace this better than they did PSYOP then it's a win.

[37F5V]

We in the RC seem to be a little hypersensitive about these things; we have a lot more folks than the AC, but aren't around all the time, so it seems like things are done in the "dead of night" without us having any say in the matter.

I think Frog will be proven accurate in the end however, and it won't have any day to day effect on us.

No worries brother, I didn't know until I was forwarded a message with ADM Olson's signature at the bottom. In the end I think it will be a positive change.

[Krall]

Anyone remember name changes within PSYOP - same deal - Frog is on target . . . Think of it like a new uniform change :)

[ilots]

The issue shouldn't be that PSYOP is losing an identity... hell for far too long I feel we have almost, "I'm not with your organization"-ed ourselves into obscurity...

I would be more concerned that this portends a further usurpation of PSYOP as a little more than a manuever asset of IO.

[ilots]

A former BN Cdr made an interesting comment.... - if the mission isn't changing, wouldn't "Influence" have made a much better "I"...

[GackMan]

Look what I found in the hotel lobby...


No, really. I went down to get a drink and they have that next to the juice machine where they serve breakfast.

I'm scared to try it.

[BertF]

Folks never learn. the 15 UK POG changed their name to try and avoid the connotations of the words. When the press battered them for trying to hide the fact, they changed it back to gain credibility. How long before the NY Times shows up with some leaflets and radio broadcasts and asks "why is the U.S. Army hiding the fact that it is practising PSYOP?"

[Ghostrider51]

CAPOC becomes CAMISOC?

Baildog that is a good question, if PO is out and MISO is in and we (CA and MISO) remain under the same command, it would stand to reason that it would also change. USACAPOC to USACAMISOC. I hope all that changes is the name and we can all drive on with our mission.

[Darren]

Just picking the scab a little here; one of my TLs (Iraq and Afg. PSYOPer) told me yesterday that he has no interest or intention of re-enlisting under our new guise.

[dice]

I have heard alot of that talk over the past couple of weeks

[TPT_1113]

Dice, post an intro ASAP.

Now, a more important question. Any guidance on what will replace terms TPT, TPD, POTF? Tactical Information Team? TIT????

[37F5V]

Dice, post an intro ASAP.

Now, a more important question. Any guidance on what will replace terms TPT, TPD, POTF? Tactical Information Team? TIT????

I haven't heard anything as of yet. I'll give the JPOTF a call tomorrow and see what changes have come down.

Dice, post an intro to the board.

[PSYOP ROB]

We havent heard anything here either.If you get something, please let me know. Got a copy of the ADM Olson memo you can send me?

[urban achiever]

I havent heard anything official either, but I wouldnt be suprised if the only changes were to add "MISO" or "MIS" to the names, e.g., MIS-T, MIS-D, etc.

I also believe this will end up being more than just a name change.

[37F5V]

I had a quick conversation this morning with the JPOTF DCO. Nothing is changed as of yet, however you can expect that unit designations will change in the near future. An example would be that a Tactical PSYOP Detachment (TPD) would be called a Tactical Military Information Support Element (TMISE). You can draw your own conclusions from there... There are also working groups covering the renaming of the branch as well as determining how to define the activity. Just another evolution in my opinion.

[TPD1280]

So the question I have is this: If MISO is going to focus on Info Ops, what is going to happen to other PSYOP/PSYWAR capabilities? Things like Deception Operations, Harrassment, Sonic Interference, Rumor Mongering, Direct Surrender Appeals, fomenting hate and discontent, et cetera. Missions that have nothing to do with Civilian Non-interference, and "Hearts and Minds".

[37F5V]

I'm of the opinion that we will retain all of those activities, but we shall see. I only had a few minutes to talk to the DCO, so I plan to call again tomorrow for a more complete brief. IO doctrine is a disaster, its my hope that we assume that role. I know where I work we have subsumed the G7.

[TPT_1113]

I am no longer in the game, but I would say that Det's will still be selling themselves and able to shift capes briefs to suit AO and supported unit's mission.

To me, the name change doesnt change how Dets and teams influence the TA. It is still PSYOP, team guys will still be hearing "hey PSYOP guy" from Infantry SNCOs...lol. I am proud to have been a PSYOP guy, and wish you all the best of luck under MISO.

[TPD1280]

I read a funny today:

CA is now Special Activities Supporting Humanitarian Initiatives for Military Information (SASHIMI)

:biggrin:

[TPT_1113]

I read a funny today:

CA is now Special Activities Supporting Humanitarian Initiatives for Military Information (SASHIMI)

:biggrin:

I like Ebi SASHIMI with my MISO soup.

[37F5V]

FYI... FM 3-53, the new PSYOP manual, is available on AKO for review and comment. After a cursory review and some brief discussions with leaders, I am getting the feeling that a certain entity at SWCS is using this name change opportunity to force personal ideas down the throat of the community. I highly encourage you to take the time to read and comment on the publication before we get stuck with it.

[Topdog]

I am pulling it up now, thanks for the heads up. Out Here.

[PSYOP ROB]

So, are the CIGs the Reserve POGs and the ASIG the 4th POG or do we grow some new troops from somewhere and stand up a new unit?

[spartacus]

I was in Afghanistan acting as a TPT Team leader when the name change came down. I started labeling my SITREP with T-MIST (Tactical Military Information Support Team). T-MIST caught on at the SOTF level and I was told to continue to call my team that name. Who knows what the official name for TPTs will be but I like to think that I might have coined the phrase that sticks.

[TPD1280]

I remember when BPSE/DPSE went away and TPT/TPD was once again in vogue.

MIST was somewhere in that mix as well.

Everything that was old is new again.

[gbutl3sp]

Sorry for resurecting an old thread but I thought my question was best posted under this headline. I was wondering if 35F was part of PDD, I hope I used that correctly, as one of the posters is a 35F but is also part of PSYOP? If the answer to that question is yes, then what other MOS's fall under PSYOP?

[TPT_1113]

we always had 1-2 Intel guys in the Company hq. Without getting into specifics, they did work in the PDD. Not on teams.

35f is not part of PSYOP. neither is 25M or 71L. But everyone is part the team.

[MISOsoup]

Look what I found in the hotel lobby...


No, really. I went down to get a drink and they have that next to the juice machine where they serve breakfast.

I'm scared to try it.

Don't try! after traveling to Japan and eating real miso soup I'll tell you that it will just make you hate it:eek:..unless you have no comparison then you mite be safe lol