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infmedic 20 July 2010 00:29

FBI Surveillance Specialist
 
Not sure if this would be a good forum for this, but saw the posting on USAJOBS and was curious if anyone on here had any insight into this job. Is it a BS gig or something worth checking out, etc...

I did a search and not much came up.

Thanks in advance...

phoenixtriad 20 July 2010 02:13

I know a couple folks who have gone down that route. It is an excellent stepping stone to other opportunities within the Bureau or DoJ. The hiring standards are about the same as an 1811 I believe. From day one of the process you need to give it your 110% and no less. Interview process can be tough, and believe me every minute detail of your appearance will be noted and speak volumes about your seriousness. I think the mobility agreement depends on which office you work in; I believe one person I know said he had to sign one, while others did not.

robbcat 20 July 2010 19:15

Do you need a degree? Does veterans preference help?

infmedic 20 July 2010 21:06

Phoenix, thanks for the info.

I don't believe you need a degree, just some relative experience. I applied for this job in '08 and got called for an interview, but I was working for BW in Baghdad at the time and they said they couldn't accmodate the interview.

I'm going to try again and see what happens. It's hard to read through USAJobs lingo initially, but I'm almost positive you don't need a degree.

bubblehead 20 July 2010 21:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by robbcat (Post 1331840)
Do you need a degree? Does veterans preference help?

Yes, you need a degree if you do not have relevant experience; and yes, Veteran's preference always helps.

Quote:

GS 7: $33,979.00 - $44,176.00
GS 9: $41,563.00 - $54,028.00

GS-7 the applicant must have one year of specialized experience at
least equivalent to the GS-5 level. Specialized experience is
performing analytical duties directly related to the collection and
evaluation of information.

GS-9 the applicant must have one year of specialized experience at
least equivalent to the GS-7 level. Specialized experience is
performing investigative, surveillance, technical and/or analytical
duties directly related to the collection and evaluation of
intelligence information.

Education requirement needed in lieu of specialized experience
listed below:

GS-7 level: Applicant must have one full year of graduate level
education or superior academic achievement. Superior Academic
Achievement is the completion of all of the requirements for a
bachelor's degree from an accredited college or university, which is
based on (1) class standing, (2) grade-point average (3.0 or higher
as recorded on an official transcript, or as based on courses
completed during the final 2 years of the curriculum), or (3) honor
society membership.

GS-9 level: Applicant must have two full academic years of graduate
education, Master's or equivalent graduate, e.g. LL.B or J.D.

Decon 20 July 2010 22:17

It is not a quick in and out or up position. Have to stay in the program for awhile before you can transfer. Atleast in the past. Same with the Investigative Specialist

Purple36 21 July 2010 07:32

Surveillance is mostly tedium and discomfort with occasional flashes of adreneline. If MICECP positions are available in surveillance, you would at least be a GG11.

Consider that you will spend long periods of time in a car, peeing into a can just waiting for someone to leave their home/place of work. Not so bad for a guy..sucks if you are female. And heaven help you if You are the one who loses the guy/girl.

Anyway, it sounds cool, but reality is a bit different after the newness wears off after a month.

Sharky 21 July 2010 07:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple36 (Post 1331997)
Anyway, it sounds cool, but reality is a bit different after the newness wears off after a month.




Amen. It's that way with a lot of stuff in this line of work.

mbmx13 21 July 2010 11:42

It sounds similar to my current work as a Private Investigator. I imagine you probably work in teams of 4-5 or more so it shouldn't be that easy to lose someone, right?

I deal with mostly individual clients and they can only afford 1, possibly 2 people on a surveillance. We lose people all the time, it is the nature of our business because it is better to lose someone then to get burned, but I would imagine losing someone in an FBI operation would be detrimental to the operation in most respects.

Oh, and in California, GPS can't be used unless the registered owner of the car is also the client or the lessor or lessee. I would love the opportunity to slap on GPS trackers but in the last 3 years, I have worked 1 case per year with the GPS tracking device. I am looking at it right now, sitting in the box, unused.

Best of luck to you, surveillance is what you make of it and it helps to have a partner who you get along with so that you won't be bored or a good self-help CD or talk program to keep your mind focused on the task at hand.

Just my two cents!

Blackjack78 21 July 2010 15:11

Surveillance Specialist is a fixed surveillance platform supporting the FCI mission. There is a mobility signing requirement and you have to commit to two years before you seek a position with better opportunities for advancement.

Just Another Guy 21 July 2010 15:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Purple36 (Post 1331997)
Surveillance is mostly tedium and discomfort with occasional flashes of adreneline. If MICECP positions are available in surveillance, you would at least be a GG11.

Consider that you will spend long periods of time in a car, peeing into a can just waiting for someone to leave their home/place of work. Not so bad for a guy..sucks if you are female. And heaven help you if You are the one who loses the guy/girl.

Anyway, it sounds cool, but reality is a bit different after the newness wears off after a month.

When I was doing a little surveillance for the State of Florida, an old intel guy (who was in the 8240th in Korea and did a lot of it in Europe over the years) gave me a DEPENDS. True story. RIP John Altano.

infmedic 21 July 2010 18:27

Is there a big difference between the investigative specialist and the surveillance job?

Again, thanks for all the solid info. I appreciate it...

Gunpoint 21 July 2010 18:53

SS is static.

IS is mobile, vehicle-based surveillance. More interesting in my opinion, better training.

Sharky 21 July 2010 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunpoint (Post 1332294)
SS is static.



Oh hell naw.....lol

SOTB 21 July 2010 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunpoint
SS is static....

Talk about boring....

Purple36 21 July 2010 21:35

Ok, both are boring...but I'm ASSuming that at least with Static, you are in a place with a bathroom. Vehicle means you are sitting outside dude's house all night..in your vehicle, or in the vicinity...waiting for him to go to work...then..whoohooo...the adreline producing drive to his work....just to sit the 8 hours while he works...just hoping he'll leave to do something nefarious. So, the Depends and the jug to pee in is quite handy.

I will NEVER forgive the guy who peed into my until then unopened bottle of water. I come back to the car..it's hot and humid outside and grab the theretofor pristine bottle...that is now warm and yellow. Bastard.

SHHINT 23 July 2010 23:43

Gatorade or Aquafina...only way to go for removing processed coffee....and zipper over button fly...

I love surveillance actually, but it really does take a certain person. I've worked with some folks that can't take it longer than 30 minutes....they usually get the lunches and coffee.

As for the gig, I have a friend who started out at the Feebs doing it. From his experience it seems like its not the best thing to take if you are actually interested in an 1811 gig. They get pigeon-holed. My personal experience, apply for the jobs you want, not the ones that you think will help get a food in the door to something else. YMMV.

Believeraz 24 July 2010 21:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbmx13 (Post 1332100)
It sounds similar to my current work as a Private Investigator. I imagine you probably work in teams of 4-5 or more so it shouldn't be that easy to lose someone, right?

It's very different to follow someone who's not aware or mildly suspicious, versus a professional who's trained to detect, confuse, and evade you...or perform their tradecraft right under your nose without you detecting it.

mbmx13 2 September 2010 21:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Believeraz (Post 1333332)
It's very different to follow someone who's not aware or mildly suspicious, versus a professional who's trained to detect, confuse, and evade you...or perform their tradecraft right under your nose without you detecting it.

Great response! I wasn't thinking about that. The closest I have gotten to that type of person is when you have a tweaker that keeps checking the rear view mirror or someone who is versed in sdrs. But you are right, probably 90% of people don't even look for surveillance in my line of work. I found myself a few weeks ago getting paid $100 plus mileage to sit at the pool in my bathing suit while videotaping activity on a covert camera. I sure do love the variety a PI license allows me.

Back to the post, so if I am understanding right, this position is sitting in an office looking at cameras or inside a surveillance van watching cameras? Am I right?

Blackjack78 3 September 2010 09:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbmx13 (Post 1349916)
Great response! I wasn't thinking about that. The closest I have gotten to that type of person is when you have a tweaker that keeps checking the rear view mirror or someone who is versed in sdrs. But you are right, probably 90% of people don't even look for surveillance in my line of work. I found myself a few weeks ago getting paid $100 plus mileage to sit at the pool in my bathing suit while videotaping activity on a covert camera. I sure do love the variety a PI license allows me.

Back to the post, so if I am understanding right, this position is sitting in an office looking at cameras or inside a surveillance van watching cameras? Am I right?

It's a fixed surveillance platform.


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