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Fu King Lawyer 22 February 2018 19:30

Florida Deputy remained outside of school
 
Mods,
If this needs to go up in the shooting thread in the Lounge, I regret posting here.
fkl

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...201636649.html

Another "casualty". Video showed him remaining outside the firefight.

Last time I attended active shooter training, our task was not to wait but go in and do the deed.

Dangerous 22 February 2018 19:31

Coward.

meatpaws 22 February 2018 19:41

I just saw and came over to post this. Beat me to it.

Fuck this coward. He may not have been able to save them all but at least a few of these children are dead because of him.

IronCross 22 February 2018 19:50

His moment of truth came and he was unprepared. Disgraceful.

Mars 22 February 2018 19:52

Not everyone who wears a badge is truly called and suited for that position.

He was weighed in the scales and found wanting. He will have to live with that for the rest of his life.

Expatmedic 22 February 2018 20:22

Some people just freeze up. It happens.

But his LE career needs to be over.

Duty to act comes to mind.

Primum Non Nocere.

Whitebean54 22 February 2018 20:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agoge (Post 1058708119)
Not everyone who wears a badge is truly called and suited for that position.

He was weighed in the scales and found wanting. He will have to live with that for the rest of his life.

May be live forever. I just read he resigned.

kosty 22 February 2018 20:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fu King Lawyer (Post 1058708110)
Mods,
If this needs to go up in the shooting thread in the Lounge, I regret posting here.
fkl

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loca...201636649.html

Another "casualty". Video showed him remaining outside the firefight.

Last time I attended active shooter training, our task was not to wait but go in and do the deed.

.... so the Sheriff, who is against teachers being armed, wants to put a cop at every school. His theory, as currently tested is found wanting.

In general, I think it would be a good idea, but it's not any kind of guarantee. The Sheriff's best idea (in the Town Hall) was to make schools PHYSICALLY less vulnerable. Build a wall - Inspect everyone entering. Some will say it costs too much.
The question is whether or not we're going to look at effective strategies to stop the tragic but rare mass school shootings.

litepath 22 February 2018 21:34

Boys that's hard to read!

Dino0311 22 February 2018 22:15

Complete piece of shit.

Doc P 22 February 2018 22:37

In general I'm not surprised. I've unfortunately seen many LEOs in areas that don't properly train on active shooter/threat still follow the, "Wait for tactical units" pre-Columbine model when exercising their response. It is often still a shit show of poor communication and random luck who does or doesn't aggressively stop the threat or implement rescue task forces.

"The FBI, in an earlier and equally astonishing admission, said last week that the agency failed to act on a tip in January that Cruz was a possible violent threat." - Less and less surprising that these things are missed. The FBI like some of the under trained LEOs I've observed also poorly communicated with other levels of response on many occasions.

Gunk 22 February 2018 23:38

A total disgrace. He should have handed his weapon to the JROTC kids, at least they had some guts.

8654maine 23 February 2018 00:02

Actually, I think this just illustrates the saying that it's not the gun, but the person & the deed that counts.

A person will do bad things, with or without a gun.

A person will do good things, with or without a gun.

A person with a gun can do bad things, good things or nothing.

Cruz demonstrated the former. Officer Peterson did the latter.

I want to be mad at Officer Peterson, but I'll wager that many people, with or without a gun, will do similar. Just how folks are wired. We've been taught for generations to AVOID conflict instead of DEALING with it. In times of stress, we revert to habit.

Training is the key. But it takes money, time and effort. What gov't or institution finds that important?

No legislation will remove bad deeds. That is Tide pod stupid.

bobmueller 23 February 2018 00:14

Bastard was allowed to resign and retire. F that. If you're on suspension, it should be like a personnel flag in the military. No favorable personnel actions, to include retirement.

Sigi 23 February 2018 01:32

If the Broward County Sheriff had any integrity he would resign tonight. But then if he had any integrity he wouldn't have gone on the CNN town hall last night to blame the NRA as he sat on evidence that the incompetence and cowardice of his own ppl let the shooting happen.

meatpaws 23 February 2018 07:55

I'm very clear no one here would condone Peterson's inaction. But in my opinion this POS doesn't get the luxury of saying "I froze up."

For nearly two decades active shooter tactics have dictated that the first person on scene closes with and destroys the enemy. In the unlikely scenario that Broward County is training ancient doctrine and having deputies wait for backup, that is on the county and Peterson for not being more prepared. If Broward Co. decided that Peterson was a bag of shit and put him in that resource deputy spot just to have something to do with him, that's on Broward S.O. supervision and Peterson. Either way, Peterson is a total POS who might as well be an accessory to the murders.

No one has forgotten, but never forget that while Peterson was "waiting for backup" Ted's friend coach Aaron Feis and a bunch of other unarmed heroes including students were putting their lives at risk to save others. They didn't "freeze up" and they weren't carrying a gun or wearing body armor.

I do my best not to MMQB the actions of our military or LEO but sorry, if your job dictates you protecting the lives of children from mass murderers and you "freeze up", you are a worthless human being. I wouldn't at all be surprised to hear Peterson eats his gun in the next few months. If he does, fuck him, he still got off easier than the people in that school.

Sorry for the rant, this one really got me fired up.

GPC 23 February 2018 08:13

Coward

Sheriff needs to resign too. His incompetence let this happen.

grog18b 23 February 2018 08:47

If you are placed in a school, for the sole purpose of protecting the people there, and fail to do the only responsibility you have because you are mentally unprepared to act, you really need to rethink your career choice. No amount of training can instill mental fortitude if it is lacking.

Old Dog New Trick 23 February 2018 08:56

This whole event has me madder than hell. I don’t post here often but I’m continuing to dig into this and it’s becoming clear there is just too much to ignore. In light of everything else going on and the issue of ‘deep state’ activities within governments connected to the last administration local and federal; I came across this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRe...54507744374784

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

If it’s tin foil crap my deepest apologies. If it’s even 10% true there needs be an independent congressional investigation of the FBI, Broward and Dade County LEA and School Boards.

Sheriff Scott Isreal is a puppet of Debbie Waserman-Shultz, the DNC and HRC. I knew nothing of him before this week and the CNN Town Hall event has made me dig into all sorts of information out there.

There is blood on the hands of many and it’s becoming clear how we got to what should have been completely preventable to a reality. They really really want your guns!!! They will sacrifice our children to accomplish this.

grog18b 23 February 2018 09:10

Well, once they get your guns, they can then start lining up the boxcars and finally, once and for all, implement the final solution to the evil white man problem.

They don't care about the Constitution, because if they did, they would realize that freedom of the press goes shortly after the populace is disarmed. We can all see that the media is way biased, and is like a snake eating itself. I assume either they want this, or are too stupid to realize they are shooting themselves in the foot by trying to remove the one Amendment that guarantees all the rest.

rubberneck 23 February 2018 09:29

If only this guy had a pair like Peter Wang, 15 years old, unarmed and yet he did something to save his fellow students even if it cost him his life. This shitbag did nothing.

Hot Mess 23 February 2018 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 1058708223)
This whole event has me madder than hell. I donít post here often but Iím continuing to dig into this and itís becoming clear there is just too much to ignore. In light of everything else going on and the issue of Ďdeep stateí activities within governments connected to the last administration local and federal; I came across this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRe...54507744374784

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

If itís tin foil crap my deepest apologies. If itís even 10% true there needs be an independent congressional investigation of the FBI, Broward and Dade County LEA and School Boards.

Sheriff Scott Isreal is a puppet of Debbie Waserman-Shultz, the DNC and HRC. I knew nothing of him before this week and the CNN Town Hall event has made me dig into all sorts of information out there.

There is blood on the hands of many and itís becoming clear how we got to what should have been completely preventable to a reality. They really really want your guns!!! They will sacrifice our children to accomplish this.

No need for tin foil, that is 1000000% plausible.

gerryeric 23 February 2018 09:51

As has been previously stated (if not on this thread, then elsewhere) this is proving the left's agenda to be flawed. "The police will protect us", "Only the police should have guns" etc...
This situation proves them wrong, so I don't expect to hear a lot about it.

gerryeric 23 February 2018 09:52

As has been previously stated (if not on this thread, then elsewhere) this is proving the left's agenda to be flawed. "The police will protect us", "Only the police should have guns" etc...
This situation proves them wrong, so I don't expect to hear a lot about it.

litepath 23 February 2018 10:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerryeric (Post 1058708241)
As has been previously stated (if not on this thread, then elsewhere) this is proving the left's agenda to be flawed. "The police will protect us", "Only the police should have guns" etc...
This situation proves them wrong, so I don't expect to hear a lot about it.

The "left" ain't totally at fault here. How many times has it been said, meme'd, & practically proselytized that a "Good Guy with a Gun beats a Bad Guy with Gun" ?

I look for that little ditty to come back to bite.

gavin 23 February 2018 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by litepath (Post 1058708252)
The "left" ain't totally at fault here. How many times has it been said, meme'd, & practically proselytized that a "Good Guy with a Gun beats a Bad Guy with Gun" ?

I look for that little ditty to come back to bite.

How? Only the left insists that the good guy HAS to be a cop.

litepath 23 February 2018 11:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavin (Post 1058708253)
How? Only the left insists that the good guy HAS to be a cop.

Oh, Somehow I doubt that those words will be parsed from the phrase. Unless of course it segues into a new form of the narrative. But I don't have much faith in that. That phrase could be useful.

See, A gun didn't stop this! Not even a Good Guy with Gun.

Old Dog New Trick 23 February 2018 11:26

It says “Good guy with a gun”

Not “Corrupt cowardly douchbag with a gun”

There is a big difference.

hawkdrver 23 February 2018 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by litepath (Post 1058708260)
Oh, Somehow I doubt that those words will be parsed from the phrase. Unless of course it segues into a new form of the narrative. But I don't have much faith in that. That phrase could be useful.

See, A gun didn't stop this! Not even a Good Guy with Gun.

They're way ahead of you guys.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/polit...sis/index.html

RemTech 23 February 2018 11:49

There wasn't a good guy with a gun on that campus - just a couple of guys with a guns. One chose to use his, the other not so much.

gavin 23 February 2018 12:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkdrver (Post 1058708271)

Only herd animals will buy that one. Smart anti-gun folks will steer clear, as they realize this proves LaPierre's point, and is pretty much self-evident.

I'm not concerned about herd animals. Sure, they are dumb, and can cause problems, but there is no changing them. They will fill their assigned role, which is lunch.

ramzmedic 23 February 2018 13:06

For the legal minds of SOCNET. Is this former officer's non-reaction potentially prosecutable? Would it have to be based on the training he received, as in he had to have been specifically trained, and agreed by taking the job, to run to the gunfire? We hear about the training being the key to whether or not an officer is guilty of assault for providing a beat down to a perp, for example. "Did he follow the training protocols of his training when he kicked the defendant in the face?".

Did anyone else read somewhere that there were 2 other officers on site who also did not respond? I believe they may have been in vehicles.

gavin 23 February 2018 13:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ramzmedic (Post 1058708301)
For the legal minds of SOCNET. Is this former officer's non-reaction potentially prosecutable?

No. Courts have ruled several times that law enforcement has no duty to actively protect anyone.

99superduty 23 February 2018 13:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Old Dog New Trick (Post 1058708223)
This whole event has me madder than hell. I donít post here often but Iím continuing to dig into this and itís becoming clear there is just too much to ignore. In light of everything else going on and the issue of Ďdeep stateí activities within governments connected to the last administration local and federal; I came across this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheLastRe...54507744374784

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/9...744374784.html

If itís tin foil crap my deepest apologies. If itís even 10% true there needs be an independent congressional investigation of the FBI, Broward and Dade County LEA and School Boards.

Sheriff Scott Isreal is a puppet of Debbie Waserman-Shultz, the DNC and HRC. I knew nothing of him before this week and the CNN Town Hall event has made me dig into all sorts of information out there.

There is blood on the hands of many and itís becoming clear how we got to what should have been completely preventable to a reality. They really really want your guns!!! They will sacrifice our children to accomplish this.

This is absolutely horrifying if true.

hawkdrver 23 February 2018 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavin (Post 1058708292)
Only herd animals will buy that one.

No argument. Just pointing out they already went there, as expected.

Box 23 February 2018 15:22

In the case of Warren VS District of Columbia, the court ruled that police do not have a constitutional duty to protect a person from harm.

...there is no specific legal "duty to protect"


That doesn't change the fact that we still need to get guns off of the street.

MyBad 23 February 2018 17:06

Quote:

That doesn't change the fact that we still need to get guns off of the street.
We need to get drugs off the streets. How is that working out?

I'm all for making it more difficult to obtain a firearm. You should not be able to walk into a store and walk right back out with a firearm for one. Two, aside from Felony... if you have a drug conviction, DWI conviction or a Family Violence Conviction, you should not be allowed to own a firearm.

But that doesn't mean guns will be 'off the streets'. Much like drugs, guns are not hard to obtain.

grog18b 23 February 2018 17:11

That was sarcasm dude...

Mars 23 February 2018 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by MyBad (Post 1058708372)
We need to get drugs off the streets. How is that working out?

I'm all for making it more difficult to obtain a firearm. You should not be able to walk into a store and walk right back out with a firearm for one. Two, aside from Felony... if you have a drug conviction, DWI conviction or a Family Violence Conviction, you should not be allowed to own a firearm.

But that doesn't mean guns will be 'off the streets'. Much like drugs, guns are not hard to obtain.

You are new here arenít you? You donít understand Boxís humor yet!

MyBad 23 February 2018 17:16

As the callsign was appropriately given to me in 04......My Bad, bro.


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