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Gamed 26 September 2012 15:53

PSS BIO Approvals and Denials
 
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of a PSS BIO being disapproved for one company and approved for a different company for the same position? I recently had a PSS EMT bio approval through USTC then Academi put it up this spring and i was approved however when IDS submitted it last week,DoS disapproved it for lac of boots on the ground time. I am now processing the same bio for Aegis and i am wondering if i am going to get another disapproval? Has anyone ever heard of anything similar to this?

cdutchess78 26 September 2012 16:14

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Originally Posted by Gamed (Post 1058198090)
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of a PSS BIO being disapproved for one company and approved for a different company for the same position? I recently had a PSS EMT bio approval through USTC then Academi put it up this spring and i was approved however when IDS submitted it last week,DoS disapproved it for lac of boots on the ground time. I am now processing the same bio for Aegis and i am wondering if i am going to get another disapproval? Has anyone ever heard of anything similar to this?

Are you sure it was DOS who declined it and not the company?Before going to DOS,it will be looked at by others on the company level.Maybe it was the person who looked at it who felt you didn't me the criteria.

Gamed 26 September 2012 17:47

No it was DoS, I had it approved and was waiting on my 86c to process under Academi and the DoS lost my 86c packet, so i had to resubmit my bio for IDS due to Academi transitioning to IDS i needed a IDS bio , it was put in and denied...I'm just wondering if it is up to the reviewers interpretation at DoS, Or has the criteria changed from May this year to now?

Bucks32 28 September 2012 06:33

It's completely asinine that you have to fill out multiple bio's for each company for the same contract. There should be a number associated with your BIO that can be looked up to show approval. Think of the man hours and money that would save.

275RLTW 28 September 2012 11:16

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Originally Posted by Bucks32 (Post 1058198881)
It's completely asinine that you have to fill out multiple bio's for each company for the same contract. There should be a number associated with your BIO that can be looked up to show approval. Think of the man hours and money that would save.


Did you just suggest common sense whe dealing with a DoS contract?!? Blasphemey! Didn't you get the memo for the TPS reports?

LRS 28 September 2012 14:30

I was just contacted by a recruiter from academi wanting to send me to an accelerated emt-i course and deploy as pss emt-I. I just dont know if i want to be a medic but the pay is outstanding

Brew_City_Guy 28 September 2012 14:46

Job offer, good pay... Hmmmmmmm, I'm sure there are plenty of other guys that would be willing to go instead of you. Just saying.

Maximus 28 September 2012 16:25

That is all good until you need to preform those medical skills. Then it goes south very quickly. The 3 year required experience, is there for a reason.

TFS/S 28 September 2012 22:50

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Originally Posted by coloccw (Post 1058198931)
Did you just suggest common sense whe dealing with a DoS contract?!? Blasphemey! Didn't you get the memo for the TPS reports?

Hahahaha.

Anyways, I have had similar problems in the past that as my BIO went up the chain it had been altered. My last BIO for Shift Lead the dates did not correspond with the months. It had been previously approved just to be denied when I submitted it with a new company. Somewhere, some how, the months were rounded down and cut my time short. Anyone else ever experience this?

My only recommendation would be to review your BIO to make sure it fits the criteria as I know many of us submit the same BIO without even opening the .PDF and reviewing it. Then just resubmit.

TFS/S 28 September 2012 22:55

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Originally Posted by Gamed (Post 1058198090)
I am wondering if anyone has ever heard of a PSS BIO being disapproved for one company and approved for a different company for the same position? I recently had a PSS EMT bio approval through USTC then Academi put it up this spring and i was approved however when IDS submitted it last week,DoS disapproved it for lac of boots on the ground time. I am now processing the same bio for Aegis and i am wondering if i am going to get another disapproval? Has anyone ever heard of anything similar to this?

Also, in regards to Aegis and your position, I received this in a email a couple weeks ago:

"We are always looking for guys…especially EMT-I/PSS. We do give a 1k bonus for referring EMT-I/PSS."

Tripod 29 September 2012 01:04

There are 2-3 guys at State that approve ALL bios's (yep, no shit). One guy has his idea of what cuts the mustard, and the other has his. Subjectivity at it's finest.

So yes, it happens. More often than you might think. The submitted bio is not always evaluated by the same guy in the High Threat Office each time it is submitted. Crazy I know, but such is the Soap Opera we all know as "As the WPS Turns"

TFS/S 29 September 2012 12:02

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199253)
There are 2-3 guys at State that approve ALL bios's (yep, no shit). One guy has his idea of what cuts the mustard, and the other has his. Subjectivity at it's finest.

So yes, it happens. More often than you might think. The submitted bio is not always evaluated by the same guy in the High Threat Office each time it is submitted. Crazy I know, but such is the Soap Opera we all know as "As the WPS Turns"

If only DOS utilized a method that made sense...

Brew_City_Guy 29 September 2012 12:40

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199253)
There are 2-3 guys at State that approve ALL bios's (yep, no shit). One guy has his idea of what cuts the mustard, and the other has his. Subjectivity at it's finest.
"

Is this just for WPS or all DOS Bio reviews (like CJPS)?

OfficeSloth 29 September 2012 14:50

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199253)
There are 2-3 guys at State that approve ALL bios's (yep, no shit).

That is not the case.

Tripod 29 September 2012 15:35

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Originally Posted by OfficeSloth (Post 1058199463)
That is not the case.

I worked at the beginning of the year for one of the guys that worked the DoS High Threat Office (for 5 years)into 2011 and was one of three that approved bio's, as well as the guy that wrote Exhibit E. According to him (as of Feb this year) that is the case.

OfficeSloth 29 September 2012 16:58

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199479)
I worked at the beginning of the year for one of the guys that worked the DoS High Threat Office (for 5 years)into 2011 and was one of three that approved bio's, as well as the guy that wrote Exhibit E. According to him (as of Feb this year) that is the case.

That's awesome.

However, it still does not change the fact that your information is wrong.

Tripod 29 September 2012 17:10

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Originally Posted by OfficeSloth (Post 1058199511)
That's awesome.

However, it still does not change the fact that your information is wrong.

Then enlighten us.

TFS/S 29 September 2012 18:59

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199515)
Then enlighten us.

More information on how this process works inside of DOS the better. I am clueless. Which way is it?

MopyMerc:( 29 September 2012 23:20

Hmmm...
 
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Originally Posted by Bucks32 (Post 1058198881)
It's completely asinine that you have to fill out multiple bio's for each company for the same contract. There should be a number associated with your BIO that can be looked up to show approval. Think of the man hours and money that would save.

Ugh, you are so right!!!

If only there were some sort of unique number associated with each one of us as individuals (given to many of us at birth, perhaps) that could be used to uniquely identify each BIO approval. Then, in the future, to look up past BIO approvals, we would just have to enter this unique number to find all the BIOs in a database.

This number could even be, say, 9 digits long.

If only...

;)

jomini 29 September 2012 23:46

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Originally Posted by MopyMerc:( (Post 1058199604)
Ugh, you are so right!!!

If only there were some sort of unique number associated with each one of us as individuals (given to many of us at birth, perhaps) that could be used to uniquely identify each BIO approval. Then, in the future, to look up past BIO approvals, we would just have to enter this unique number to find all the BIOs in a database.

This number could even be, say, 9 digits long.

If only...

;)

I see what you did there.

OfficeSloth 30 September 2012 01:06

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Originally Posted by Tripod (Post 1058199515)
Then enlighten us.

This is not a debate.

As was stated previously, "This is SOCNET, not I heard it from a budnet."

The information you are presenting is wrong. There are numerous people within HTP who review bios. In fact there are a good deal more people than just the 2-3 you propose.

Tripod 30 September 2012 11:27

So as not to confuse any of you who rely on good up to date gouge in pursuit of employment, my info is 7 months old, and in the rapidly changing world of WPS it is outdated. Sometimes I lose track of how long I've been out of the loop.

My apologies for having confused the issue.

Gsniper 30 September 2012 11:35

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"This is SOCNET, not I heard it from a budnet."
While this axiom generally holds true, when you "heard it from a bud" what was doing it at DOS last week, it could be classified as pretty good information.

Tripod may be a bit outdated, but I can verify that at the time he is referring to, there were very few dudes doing all the bios. As for now, I've been out of the WPS net for 5 months (thank god), so things could and probably have changed a bit.

bmbsqd 30 September 2012 11:40

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Originally Posted by Maximus (Post 1058199094)
That is all good until you need to preform those medical skills. Then it goes south very quickly. The 3 year required experience, is there for a reason.

+1! I'm just glad to see these BIOs are being taken seriously. Back in the day companies were putting anyone with a first aid kit on a PSD team as the team medic. Let's not forget the famous poser who was the "medic" on the Aegis PSD team when two Columbian bled out because he clearly didn't learn how to stop the bleeding while deserting from the FFL! :mad:

Good on them for checking resumes and histories!

Bgatewood89 13 January 2020 01:58

DOS WPS BIOS APPROVAL TIMELINE
 
ok i'm a newbie to the DOS WPS Program,QUESTION........ i'm currently in the hiring process i was informed that the hiring company will be sending my BIOS to the DOS for approval. Anyone know approximate turn around for approval now days? Reading some past post seem heavy few years back. Trying to get an idea for 2020.

275RLTW 13 January 2020 03:07

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Originally Posted by Bgatewood89 (Post 1058837000)
ok i'm a newbie to the DOS WPS Program,QUESTION........ i'm currently in the hiring process i was informed that the hiring company will be sending my BIOS to the DOS for approval. Anyone know approximate turn around for approval now days? Reading some past post seem heavy few years back. Trying to get an idea for 2020.

Sounds like a great question for your recruiter.

Bgatewood89 13 January 2020 03:47

Exactly I’ve ask 4 different recuriters all of them gave me different answers .
Recuriter A: 3-4 weeks
Recuriter B: 1-5 months surely he’s super new had to be ref to clearance.
Recuriter C:days
Recuriter D not allow to say
So many different answers some of my buddies down range say days just wondering why some many different answers . Guess only way is to chill and wait !

Bgatewood89 13 January 2020 03:48

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Originally Posted by 275RLTW (Post 1058837002)
Sounds like a great question for your recruiter.


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Exactly I’ve ask 4 different recuriters all of them gave me different answers .
Recuriter A: 3-4 weeks
Recuriter B: 1-5 months surely he’s super new had to be ref to clearance.
Recuriter C:days
Recuriter D not allow to say
So many different answers some of my buddies down range say days just wondering why some many different answers . Guess only way is to chill and wait !

275RLTW 13 January 2020 05:19

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Originally Posted by Bgatewood89 (Post 1058837003)
Guess only way is to chill and wait !

There’s you go. You figured it out. (Not being sarcastic. That IS the answer.)

Silverbullet 13 January 2020 09:17

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Originally Posted by Bgatewood89 (Post 1058837000)
ok i'm a newbie to the DOS WPS Program,QUESTION........ i'm currently in the hiring process i was informed that the hiring company will be sending my BIOS to the DOS for approval. Anyone know approximate turn around for approval now days? Reading some past post seem heavy few years back. Trying to get an idea for 2020.

Based on your profile, how do you even qualify or did they do away with mil/ LE experience requirement?

Jong 13 January 2020 10:20

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Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 1058837027)
Based on your profile, how do you even qualify or did they do away with mil/ LE experience requirement?

DOS requirements just state it has to be protective security and doesn't limit it to LE/mil experience.

Experience may be gained in the employ of any national, state, provincial, local, or commercial entities providing armed high threat protective services that require skills similar to those identified in the required training course

275RLTW 13 January 2020 10:23

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Originally Posted by Jong (Post 1058837039)
DOS requirements just state it has to be protective security and doesn't limit it to LE/mil experience.

Experience may be gained in the employ of any national, state, provincial, local, or commercial entities providing armed high threat protective services that require skills similar to those identified in the required training course

“High threat”

Silverbullet 13 January 2020 10:31

In other words, heartbeat and a passport....

Jong 13 January 2020 10:32

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Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 1058837042)
In other words, heartbeat and a passport....

Yep! Seen way too many of those!

firstshirt 13 January 2020 11:48

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Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 1058837027)
Based on your profile, how do you even qualify or did they do away with mil/ LE experience requirement?

I just want to know what it takes to be a considered a high network individual....

Purgatory 13 January 2020 13:49

knew a dude once that got on a PSD gig (non WPS, Balad) because he was a bouncer in Vegas (state licensed) .... showed up with a plastic walmart bag as a carry on and ZERO kit, and ZERO skills ... on my current job my Brit and Aussie friends laugh at our (US) 12 page CVs (BIOS).. but I guess that is the only way to sift through the BS.. the more they write the easier it is to call BS...

good luck with your BIO

Purgatory 13 January 2020 13:51

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Originally Posted by firstshirt (Post 1058837050)
high network individual....

I'm a high networking MoFO

Bgatewood89 14 January 2020 06:24

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Originally Posted by Purgatory (Post 1058837061)
knew a dude once that got on a PSD gig (non WPS, Balad) because he was a bouncer in Vegas (state licensed) .... showed up with a plastic walmart bag as a carry on and ZERO kit, and ZERO skills ... on my current job my Brit and Aussie friends laugh at our (US) 12 page CVs (BIOS).. but I guess that is the only way to sift through the BS.. the more they write the easier it is to call BS...

good luck with your BIO

Appreciate it I also use to work for the DOD never did any low level security such as bouncer stuff But I’ll keep you posted on the DOS approval!

Bgatewood89 14 January 2020 06:36

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Originally Posted by firstshirt (Post 1058837050)
I just want to know what it takes to be a considered a high network individual....

Billions and billions of dollars and a lot of power .

Bgatewood89 14 January 2020 06:43

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Originally Posted by Silverbullet (Post 1058837027)
Based on your profile, how do you even qualify or did they do away with mil/ LE experience requirement?

5.5 years protective detail for a high ranking political figure.


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