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Old 26 July 2017, 13:09
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So that 2-1/2 hours we spent on trangender sensitivity training last month was an even better use of my training time than I expected.
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Old 26 July 2017, 13:17
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So, this "former SEAL Team 6 member" turned transgender - is he/she legit??? http://reverepress.com/news/trans-na...im-not-worthy/

If not, someone needs to inform the mainstream media because they are champion him/her all over the place:

https://www.bing.com/search?q=former...&setlang=en-US

edited to say: I don't care for me personally - more than anyone else if it is true, he/she has earned the right to be a unicorn if they want. My point to someone was, "even if it is true, they did not come out while on the SEAL team, they led their life on the teams as a male and didn't disrupt the teams".

Love how they are spinning this in the article:

Beck was instrumental in SEAL Team 6’s eventual killing of Osama bin Laden.


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Old 26 July 2017, 13:21
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Not my quote but Certainly my view on the subject.

"Paying for transition-related surgeries for military service members and their families is beyond comprehensible.

Perhaps they have forgotten that our military was forged to be the world’s strongest fighting force, not a government-funded, politically correct, medical sex change clinic for people with gender dysphoria.

Gender dysphoria, the common diagnosis for one who feels at odds with his or her birth gender, develops from prolonged anxiety and depression. People are not born that way.

The “proof” for a diagnosis of gender dysphoria is having strongly held feelings—but feelings can and often do change over time.

The military is expected to prepare its members in warfare: to kill, destroy, and break our enemies. The most important factors in preparing a strong military are not hormone therapy, surgical sex changes, or politically correct education.

We need psychologically fit, emotionally sound, highly trained troops to protect our nation from its enemies.

While countless homeless vets are currently sleeping under cardboard boxes, or waiting for life-saving care from the Department of Veterans Affairs, we learn that transgender military recruits now qualify for preferential coverage for sex change procedures that are scientifically unproven and extremely costly. "
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Old 26 July 2017, 13:43
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Big suprise... McCain is slamming POTUS decisions.
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Old 26 July 2017, 13:44
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Great decision. I agree: the shit will hit the fan. However, I think that with even the slightest move for implementation this will be in court (in a state where the usual cast of characters sit on the bench) with a stay issued fully knowing they have no right even issue it. Another court fight.
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Old 26 July 2017, 13:57
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The money cost is an absurd reason.

Trump believes the military can not burden the costs of their medical care?

Hey... I think there are plenty of reasons to oppose transgender soldiers in the ranks, so don't assume that because I lean left i think that transgender would work.

But I believe griping about treatment costs is the least of the reasons.
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Old 26 July 2017, 13:59
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:02
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The money cost is an absurd reason.



But I believe griping about treatment costs is the least of the reasons.
There are good other reasons.

However, could you imagine people joining with one of their primary reasons being so they could get the military to pay for their transition?
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:03
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I am sure we will be hearing from the 9th CCoA soon.
I don't think they have any impact. Why did they not weigh in when gays could not serve or even DA/DT?

At some point in time, The President has to have more clout than some cuck with a law degree.
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:06
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The money cost is an absurd reason.

Trump believes the military can not burden the costs of their medical care?

Hey... I think there are plenty of reasons to oppose transgender soldiers in the ranks, so don't assume that because I lean left i think that transgender would work.

But I believe griping about treatment costs is the least of the reasons.
As usual, you only quote half the truth. What about the "Disruption" part? Did VJ send a note warning against that part?


Disruption. A good word to summarize the impact of the constituents of the Isle of Misfit Toys who just this year found out that they are in fact different, fat, ugly, lazy and overwhelmingly mediocre.
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:15
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Hell, as far as being deployable or non-deployable. I was deemed non-deployable when I inprocessed at 7th GP in the early 80's due to my wisdom teeth not having been extracted yet. In fact, they hadn't even completely broken through yet.
So, we waited a couple months and then the doc. went in and got them.
So putting it in perspective.......Non deloyable for still having my wisdom teeth which, understandably can really be an issue down range should there be a problem with them.
Fast forward 30+ yrs. and some experts state that deployment status is not effected by someone/something while they wait for their new shwantz or their newly fabricated sausage wallet to heal. Just WTF !
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:16
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BLUF.

The military is about closing with the enemy and killing them or supporting those who do. It's not to be fair, it's not to experiment with the social tenants of the day, it's not about making sure everybody can play who wants to.
It's not a game, it's an honor that not everyone is capable of performing. The sooner pols, the public, etc, etc, etc figure that out, the better.
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:20
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Maybe we can hear/read about this for a while instead of Russia for a few weeks. This should stoke some new fires and give those that like to complain for the sake of complaining some new fodder to chew on.
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:22
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So that 2-1/2 hours we spent on trangender sensitivity training last month was an even better use of my training time than I expected.
You are a better man for it... or woman, you decide
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:29
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Just curious but for that Trans medical expenses did that cover boob jobs for the men that want to look more like women or any surgeries for that matter? Or is it just counseling and hormone therapy?
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:37
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The "LGB" has not been banned from the military the "T" has. Taxpayers should not have to foot the bill for the TRANSformation!
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:40
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There are good other reasons.

However, could you imagine people joining with one of their primary reasons being so they could get the military to pay for their transition?
Why not?
Many people join to get the military to pay for their college... or a life long pension with healthcare.
I don't care if a soldier gets a surgery, so long as he puts in the years to earn it.

BUT...
I do oppose transgender in the military for other reasons.
In the civilian world, if a guy wants to be a girl and a girl wants to be a guy... fine, whatever.
To each, his/her own.

but the military is not the place for that.
Straight men and gay men working and living side by side is a tough adjustment for some... particularly when it comes to billeting.
But mixing sexes, and pretending that you aren't, is going too far, in my opinion.

there is a difference between saying three of those men in the men's barracks are gay... and saying those three men in the women's barracks are not really men because they believe otherwise, so let's all play along.


As a separate and personal point...
if i am ever arrested and convicted of a serious crime and sent to prison, I will absolutely be identifying as a woman to go to the woman's prison... keeping my junk intact.
I've seen enough women's prison movies in the 70's and early 80's to know that is the place to be.
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:51
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if i am ever arrested and convicted of a serious crime and sent to prison, I will absolutely be identifying as a woman to go to the woman's prison... keeping my junk intact.
I've seen enough women's prison movies in the 70's and early 80's to know that is the place to be.
Now that's funny right there! And good advice....
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Old 26 July 2017, 14:56
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I could give a shit whether anyone's feelings are hurt by this, nor about the outrage that is resulting. My question for all things is "Does it increase, decrease, or make no change in the combat readiness of the military?" A former dude who is now a woman, who entered the military after transitioning, and is now a PAC clerk with 82d Finance Battalion isn't going to affect combat effectiveness. If the best PAC clerk around he/she may even increase it. Since it's a mixed gender unit it doesn't matter there, either. Hell as with some chicks unless she tells you she used to have a peen you wouldn't really know.

But my 21 year old 11-bang-bang who decides he wants to be a woman does negatively impact combat effectiveness. It disrupts the team. The cost, sure, is negligible. The military spends more for Viagra than it would changing dicks to tits. But it greatly impacts morale and teamwork. And now I have one less body, my Brigade hasn't been accepting females yet so I am logistically impaired, my focus is now on transitioning this person to another unit that can house him in chick barracks and so on and so forth on down the line. Oh and we're deploying to the 'stan next month on top of it. Big fucking impact on combat effectiveness.

So yeah, if Mattis says this is good for the military, I get the sense he's actually looked at the issue in depth.

But for the POTUS to tweet this out in the manner he did, instead of having a measured press conference with the top military Brass there? It says to me one thing: What else is happening today that they're trying to distract from.

Tweeting out a huge policy shift like he did is gayer than a tranny orgy.
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BUT...
I do oppose transgender in the military for other reasons.
In the civilian world, if a guy wants to be a girl and a girl wants to be a guy... fine, whatever.
To each, his/her own.

but the military is not the place for that.
Exactly. We've all seen the problems that can cause...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTYpPUj3qr8

In all seriousness, this will be a media "lightning rod" for the left, and as KidA pointed out, a huge distraction. The policy could have been implemented with a more serious detailed explanation than a tweet.

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