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Old 23 January 2014, 20:15
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Sooner or later some Arab nutjob will manage to set off some sort of Nuclear explosion. It's just a matter of time.
Probably, but about as likely as any of the other folks who would do so.

Thus far, these groups have been pretty successful waging ground wars. To the point that the world has had to change how we fight, utilizing small units far more efficiently than before the recent wars. While it may seem like a waste right now, we've focused on fighting and rebuilding as we go. We've yet to show the long term resolve for success, but we're seeing a new method of war which minimizes loss of human life. Not only within our ownforces, but by killing more willing enemy and less collateral damage loss of life. When you compare a much larger "battlefield" to the likes of WWI/WWII, to the death toll on combatants of all origin and those trapped in the crossfire, we've made pretty big gains.

I don't believe we'll see a nuclear attack on the western world from an organized Arab "terror" network anytime soon, not before we see one from NK or another opposing nation state. Too many working parts, too difficult with a high risk of failure. They're more likely to use such a device within their own AO, and that would be counter productive. These networks thrive on imposing their will, law, and enforcement on their more passive neighbors. What's the point of being king if you have no kingdom to rule.

As far as any of these bad guys using force to impose their will, we might benefit from allowing it to happen in a contained environment. While the Taliban was known for their brutality and human rights violations, they did bring an era of "peace" to a country that had been a free fire for a long time. If their ways were too rogue for the local population, the locals would have removed them.

I'm sure I worded a few of my points poorly and will be labeled a moron...such is the ways of the internet and forum communication.
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Old 23 January 2014, 21:03
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I don't want to sound like the PC police or a spokesman for the Obama Admin.. Nor do I want to sound lecturing or condescending..

However, we are not at war with the Arab world and it is not at war with us. We are at war with radical Muslims.

There are many radical Muslims who are not in Arab countries.

There are many countries that are not a threat to us or are our allies in the Arab world..

Don't ever call a Iranian an Arab.. Arabs from Jordon and Egypt etc look down on the Gulf Arabs or Bedouins etc.. There are many divides.

There are Christian Arabs, Jewish Arabs, The Druise etc..

Just saying... I think saying Dem Arabs going to Nuke us one dem days is a little of the mark.

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Old 25 January 2014, 11:14
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I stand corrected. "Radical Islamist".
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Old 10 February 2014, 21:54
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. Because you're trying to nuke an idea out of existance.
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As long as we could wipe out the communist progressives at the same time, I'm game. Considering the combined track record of totalitarian socialist regimes and Islamist terrorists, I think a bit of collateral damage might be worth it when balanced off against not having those groups around to threaten peaceable people with mass murder anymore. Besides, mushroom clouds are pretty from a long ways off upwind, especially when the strontium-90 starts making fluorescent green lightning bolts.
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Old 10 February 2014, 22:42
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I'm not sure if this warrants its own thread or not, but I ran across this article.

US suspect possibly targeted for drone attack

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WASHINGTON (AP) — An American citizen who is a member of al-Qaida is actively planning attacks against Americans overseas, U.S. officials say, and the Obama administration is wrestling with whether to kill him with a drone strike and how to do so legally under its new stricter targeting policy issued last year.

The CIA drones watching him cannot strike because he's a U.S. citizen and the Justice Department must build a case against him, a task it hasn't completed.

Four U.S. officials said the American suspected terrorist is in a country that refuses U.S. military action on its soil and that has proved unable to go after him. And President Barack Obama's new policy says American suspected terrorists overseas can only be killed by the military, not the CIA, creating a policy conundrum for the White House.
I'm mixed up on this one. On one hand, if he is guilty, then he doesn't need to be polluting our atmosphere with his breath. On the other, does this mean it's alright to forego the legal process that is a given right to citizens if they are considered combatants? Where do we draw the line?
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On one hand, if he is guilty,...
Show me the trial, even in absentia, where he was found guilty? This will be Alwaki II, and I can't wait for the thread.

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This will be Alwaki II, and I can't wait for the thread.
I thought the same thing's as I was reading the articles about it yesterday.
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Old 11 February 2014, 18:48
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Show me the trial, even in absentia, where he was found guilty? This will be Alwaki II, and I can't wait for the thread.
I think that was improper wording on my part. Responsible would be more appropriate, but even if that is the case he is still an American citizen, presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and is afforded legal rights, which apparently this admin doesn't give a fuck about.
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To talk a little bit about the AQ issues again, my current thesis is that contrary to our perspective being very US focused, what we are seeing throughout the Middle East and in the Muslim world is the equivalent of an Islamic 30 Years War in which the West, including the US, are large, but marginal players.

I believe that the seeds for the conflict we are seeing today we sown in the years following the break up of the Ottoman Empire, to include a great deal of the Islamist thought and writing, the drawing of many of the borders in the ME and ultimately the creation of the State of Israel. That was the first phase.

As has been discussed often on SOCNET, terrorism is a tactic, so organizations who use terrorism, are simply utilizing a tactic to achieve their goals. I think over the last 13 years, it is becoming clear to those who are the masterminds/organizers/financiers that attacks on the US ultimately don't move the ball down the field and are changing their focus to take advantage of localized conflicts arising, partly, out of the Arab Spring movements.

So my conclusion is that after two decades of conflict, transnational Islamic terrorism has taken a beating and is a minimized threat. However, terrorism (including the AQ franchise) local to flashpoints in the ME and Islamic world are increased and concentrated.

I think the notion of seeing a nuclear attack is pretty slim, but far more likely in Mumbai or Tashkent than in Washington or London.
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Old 27 February 2014, 15:52
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Responsible would be more appropriate, but even if that is the case he is still an American citizen, presumed innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, and is afforded legal rights, which apparently this admin doesn't give a fuck about.
Two words: Due Process.


Without it, what makes this or ANY POTUS better than the thugs we spend so much in lives and treasure to remove?
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Is there much information about Awlaki in the public domain? He is mentioned at length in Scahill's book "Dirty Wars" but from everything I have read on herer Scahill's journalistic objectivity is questionable.

In regards to the unnamed American on the kill list (Adam Ghanna?) even if he was indicted what would be the next course of action? From reading the article I would guess the country in question would be Pakistan or Yemen. I guess an assault could be possible such as the recent op in Somalia. The intelligence gained from a high ranking AQ member could be a treasure trove.
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Old 11 March 2014, 20:50
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Two words: Due Process. Without it, what makes this or ANY POTUS better than the thugs we spend so much in lives and treasure to remove?
Yup, POTUS has gone Lincoln on us.
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