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Old 9 July 2018, 10:20
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Guess where the majority of Masters and PhD students in STEM program come from? Overseas. Now head over to the Gender studies or Pyscology or social programs, all Americans.
I've also noticed here that the Summer school session is a lot of Indians, Arabs and Orientals and very very few "white" American types...
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Old 9 July 2018, 10:43
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I've also noticed here that the Summer school session is a lot of Indians, Arabs and Orientals and very very few "white" American types...
Well, that maybe has more to do with having to get summer jobs to help pay for college or doing summer internships. Havevteo of my students, both American engineering students off doing engineering internships for the summer. Partially for experience and partially for money.

Many of the international students very wealthy or on scholorships or working as TA/FA. In my town if you see a nice car - Mercedes, Audi, mclaren (yes, several I see in a daily basis), Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin (seen several of those also) it is almost always an international student.

When I was a student at Purdue over 20 years ago, the Chinese and Indian students would be sharing a beat up ten year old Honda or Toyota. Now the number of international students has doubled and they are all driving luxury cars, wearing luxury high end watches. Just from this observation alone makes me see we are now on the losing side.
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Old 9 July 2018, 10:44
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There is not just some random USAID guy handing out free money, that could instead be used in the USA.
Yep, no such thing as a free lunch outside the country. We reserve the free lunches for domestic parasites.
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Old 9 July 2018, 10:52
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As an Appalachain American, and old, I vividly remember my grandparents talking about working on the CCC and WPA programs. Though large and inefficient, at least the poor were doing SOMETHING besides sitting on the couch and spitting out kids at the cyclic rate for us to support.

While not quite conscription, I believe our citizenry should be doing something for us if they've got their hand in our wallet.
I grew up on a small dairy farm in Minnesota. My father told me that he would have been drafted, but he enlisted because he was told that if you enlisted you might have a bit more choice over what you do in the military.

He had grown up on a farm and drove a milk truck. The Army, after basic training at Fort Lost In The Woods MO, taught him to drive an Army truck.

After the end of World War II, he was in the CCC in northern Minnesota. He said it was somewhat similar to being in the Army because they had surplus trucks and uniforms.
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Old 9 July 2018, 10:55
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Yup...both Sherando Lakes and the Blue Ridge Parkway around my place was built by the old CCC. Hardass men who worked instead of waiting for a handout, and learned a trade in the process. Bringing back something like the CCC isn't gonna happen in today's arena...not yet.
A state park near my house has an old lodge built by the CCC that has been preserved. It also has an exhibit and a lot of photos from the construction.

Somethings i didn't know about the CCC:

It was only open to unmarried men between 17-25 (i.e., draft age males). The camps were run by Army officers. Once the war started, CCC veterans were automatically made NCOs upon induction.

It seems that even back then, the Roosevelt administration was very subtly making preparations for the war to come.
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Old 9 July 2018, 10:58
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The domestic Free Shit™ comes with the implicit agreement that the recipients keep voting (D), in the case of the r-selected individuals. Corporate welfare (in all it's forms) is handed out to the (R) donors/voters.
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Old 9 July 2018, 11:00
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I would rather my tax dollars go to some of the down trodden people I have seen outside the USA, than many I have seen here. Why should I support the baby's momma with 5 kids from 4 different fathers (yes, I see that here all the time), who has never ever done anything productive - yet has had so many opportunities- and is living better in her subsidized apartment than most do in rural third world countries.

Where as in places like Honduras, Nepal, Cambodia just to name a few places if you are born poor - well you are basically SOL, unless a miracle orvdome foreign aid program/charity. In one part of Cambodia I worked only about 1/3 of the kids even get a chance to go to school. Here in America, free public education to all. So yeah, if I ever win thevpower ball lottery - I am starting up an NGO targeting medical, educational, and developmental Issues overseas not here in America.

Maybe I sound harsh, but the majority of poverty cases I see here in the USA is due to people bringing it on themselves (or inheriting it from thier crack head/gangbanger/lazy parents). In America you have opportunities.
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People that are busy doing shit don't have time to rebel against their masters. Idle hands are the Devil's Plaything, so to speak. During the Depression why would you rebel against a govt that was rapidly curtailing liberties if you depended on them for your daily ration of bread? No time to ask questions regarding the gold confiscations or other "why do we put up with the banking shitheads?" hard questions if you're busy building dumb shit for Uncle Sugar out in the boonies. The CCC and other programs were a tool for control, nothing more. Roosevelt was a fucking socialist commie fuckhead, like his buddy Uncle Joe in the USSR.
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Old 9 July 2018, 11:36
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Just a question what if President Trump did something just like that, Put people to work fixing our roads, cleaning up our rivers banks. Pay them a going wage for the job. I know the Unions would cause all kinds of trouble.


Would you call president Trump a fucking socialist commie fuck head.?

Just because he got people to work an fixed things.
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Maybe I sound harsh, but the majority of poverty cases I see here in the USA is due to people bringing it on themselves (or inheriting it from thier crack head/gangbanger/lazy parents). In America you have opportunities.
I think we have a real problem in the US at about the 6th grade to 9th grade years in getting kids to pay attention in school and accept education as something beneficial...

It seems that sometime between 6th and 9th grade kids take two different tracks: Learning, reading, paying attention or "school sucks man, reading is for nerds" and instead trying to be the "cool guy"

Went back to my HS reunion 2 years ago and almost to the person the people who were in their 40s and still dirt poor, broke, 6 kids, etc, etc are the exact same people who thought "school sucks" and either quit, or barely graduated...but boy were they the "cool guy" in school...
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When I was a student at Purdue over 20 years ago, the Chinese and Indian students would be sharing a beat up ten year old Honda or Toyota. Now the number of international students has doubled and they are all driving luxury cars, wearing luxury high end watches. Just from this observation alone makes me see we are now on the losing side.
Several years ago my wife and I hosted a Chinese physician who came to our area for a couple months for some fellowship at a local hospital. She said our 1,200 square foot house would house several Chinese families. She made us laugh when she asked where the other families were; when were they coming home.

She was very critical of American culture, said the poorest people here have much more than some of the middle class in her city in China. She was most surprised of the sheer volume of food and enormity of our portion sizes at meals.
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Old 9 July 2018, 14:11
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I think we have a real problem in the US at about the 6th grade to 9th grade years in getting kids to pay attention in school and accept education as something beneficial...

It seems that sometime between 6th and 9th grade kids take two different tracks: Learning, reading, paying attention or "school sucks man, reading is for nerds" and instead trying to be the "cool guy"

Went back to my HS reunion 2 years ago and almost to the person the people who were in their 40s and still dirt poor, broke, 6 kids, etc, etc are the exact same people who thought "school sucks" and either quit, or barely graduated...but boy were they the "cool guy" in school...
Yep...and as long as we - as a nation - continue to feed, clothe, provide a phone, etc., to the lazy, non-hackers...we will continue to have those types of people. Full-time pathetics keep us broke as a nation while the workers who get a penance from the social security have to barely squeak by.
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I think we have a real problem in the US at about the 6th grade to 9th grade years in getting kids to pay attention in school and accept education as something beneficial....
If what is being taught is beneficial, a lot of it is not.

I learned more about geography and world events from reading SOF, Gung-Ho etc. Public education needs a major overhaul IMO.


There should be a class called "Life Skills" which covers credit cards, how to write a check etc. Really wish there was something like that when I was a kid.
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It seems that sometime between 6th and 9th grade kids take two different tracks: Learning, reading, paying attention or "school sucks man, reading is for nerds" and instead trying to be the "cool guy"
I didn't pull my head out of my ass until about 11th grade. 6-10 we're pretty much lost development unless you count sports and watching my friends roll joints. I think anything under the age of 21 can be overcome easily enough if someone is able to realize the path to nowhere they're on. I was just able to do so at 17, and enlisted in the army to get myself into a better set of conditions knowing the work that it would take.
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Old 9 July 2018, 16:07
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If what is being taught is beneficial, a lot of it is not.

I learned more about geography and world events from reading SOF, Gung-Ho etc. Public education needs a major overhaul IMO.


There should be a class called "Life Skills" which covers credit cards, how to write a check etc. Really wish there was something like that when I was a kid.
My kids had to take an "Economics and Personal Finance" class that covered mortgages, credit cards, car loans, etc. They tried to treat it like a blow off class ... I'm like "this is probably the most valuable damn class you'll get in high school.
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Old 9 July 2018, 16:34
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Yep...and as long as we - as a nation - continue to feed, clothe, provide a phone, etc., to the lazy, non-hackers...we will continue to have those types of people. Full-time pathetics keep us broke as a nation while the workers who get a penance from the social security have to barely squeak by.
It is pretty obvious to all but the Democrats that LBJ's Great Society programs have failed us. I have pity for these people more so than someone 1000's of miles away. The Feds have created generational welfare recipients. They've given young black Women a free, albeit poor ride. We are not doing them an favors by giving them a check once a month and a phone. The whole program needs to be blown up.

That's where I'd like to see money spent. Fixing the problem. Fixing our problems with rural families too. Its not just blacks that live a ghetto existence. We need better schools, better infrastructure, and better forms of public assistance and mental health programs.

Give me some good reasons why we should pay for another Country's poor? Because we feel sorry for them? We have our own problems.
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Give me some good reasons why we should pay for another Country's poor? Because we feel sorry for them? We have our own problems.
I agree...we shouldn't pay for anyone's poor masses until ours are taken care of. With that said, I don't want our "lazy" to be paid...you don't work - you don't get any benefits. People are lazy.

I was in line the other day at a store and I heard one woman telling another how she was ripping the system by explaining how she uses the "foster care" system as her income and savings plan while explaining the different methods she uses to defraud the food stamp system. Those clowns have no intention on ever doing anything other than being pathetic mooches which in no way benefit society.

The percentage of people that *truly* need welfare is staggeringly low compared to the numbers that are receiving it.
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Old 9 July 2018, 17:20
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Welfare ensures that r-selected individuals are successful (genetically), while the K-selected people are having to spend more and more effort to reproduce. It's basically the entire premise behind idiocracy. Artificial selection.

Welfare recipients have massive amounts of offspring (welfare system rewards high birthrates) and pass on their learned survival strategies (welfare fraud, SSDI fraud, etc) to those offspring.......who go on to have more of their own. And the cycle continues.

Meanwhile, K-selected individuals, who bust their ass to "play by the rules" and wait to have kids until they have the requisite resources to properly raise their offspring are finding it so insanely difficult to reach those thresholds (college, debt, savings, salary, house, etc) that they are often too old to have relatively safe pregnancies.....or simply just do not have any children at all.
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