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Old 31 October 2010, 17:22
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Parts of a printer which was contained in a package intercepted by Dubai security officials. The US-bound parcel contained a bomb hidden in a printer and bore the hallmarks of al-Qaida, Dubai police said
Dude,

You rarely post a comment, just a reprinting of what we can find in the news (and usually more info if we look ourselves)n my question is if these pics you posted have a particular point you think important.

Personally, I don't see anything that should really get people's BP up - - the badguys are hiding explosives in "stuff" -- not any new revelations going on here....
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Old 31 October 2010, 17:59
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While hiding explosives in stuf is not new, I'm interested in the pics.
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Old 31 October 2010, 18:06
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My theory is that they were waiting for the packages to be delivered, then detonate. They could track where their packages were by going to the FEDEX and UPS websites, insert their tracking numbers and know where they were in transit and then they even send an e-mail notification that they were delivered.
I think it's pretty clear that they had definite targets at the destination cities, including Chicago, so using UPS or one of the other package service companies in order to better track the package sounds very plausible.

More than likely, once they knew the package had arrived in the US and been scanned and was awaiting delivery, they would have had somebody staking out the target, waiting to make the call from their cell phone.

Just another example of using our own society and technology to attack us.
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Another theory is they were targeting UPS and FedEx ... the addresses were 8 ys old .. and the authorities were supposedly tipped off by the Saudi's in advance of the package getting to London .. and they still missed it in Germany ..

Maybe its a test run or diversion ..

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/1...ail-bombs.html

.. and the coed cleared ..

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/10...senger-planes/

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Old 31 October 2010, 18:37
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Who is going to refuse a $500 multifunction hp printer? That is the part that interests me, the delivery of technology in an economy where most folks are not budgeting for new laserjets.
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Old 1 November 2010, 18:08
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Another theory is they were targeting UPS and FedEx ... the addresses were 8 ys old .. and the authorities were supposedly tipped off by the Saudi's in advance of the package getting to London .. and they still missed it in Germany ..
The address in Chicago, for a Jewish organization, was very real and was occupied. I'm pretty sure they were looking to get the explosives to a final destination.

As for turning down packages from companies or places that you didn't order anything from, that's probably a good idea. The unabomber was able to hit a couple of targets just by shipping through the postal service.

There probably should be some sort of vetting process at both the points of origin and destination to determine that the packages are legitimate and secure. But that would add costs and eat up time, so that probably isn't going to happen.
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Some of the addresses were old, so other theories came forth .. and there's speculation this may be tied to the UPS crash in Dubai on Sept 3rd ..

http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20101...6b40f5e43c7499


"Like the Bojinka plot, the latest AQAP parcel-bomb operation may have included a proof-of-mission trial run. There was a crash of a UPS flight in Dubai on Sept. 3 that stands out as suspicious, given the circumstances surrounding the crash and in light of these recently recovered IEDs. UAE authorities said Nov. 1 that there was no sign of an explosion in that accident, although the damage done as a result of the crash and subsequent fire may have made it difficult to uncover such evidence. Undoubtedly, U.S. and UAE authorities will be taking another careful look at the incident in light of the Oct. 29 case. Other recent cargo-aircraft accidents in the region will likely be re-examined as well.

Also like the 1995 Bangkok plot, this recent attempt may have been thwarted by an insider. There have been several recent defections of AQAP personnel to law enforcement authorities, such as Jabir Jubran al-Fayfi, who recently turned himself in to Saudi authorities (although AQAP claims he was arrested in Yemen). If al-Fayfi did indeed surrender, he might be cooperating with the Saudis and may have been able to provide the actionable intelligence authorities used to identify and thwart this plot, though it is unlikely that he provided the exact tracking numbers, as noted in some media reports, since the packages were shipped after he surrendered. If the Saudis did indeed provide the exact tracking numbers to their American counterparts, the intelligence had to have come from another source.

In the end, this AQAP attack failed to achieve its immediate objective of destroying aircraft. The planners of the attack probably hoped that the parcels would be shipped on passenger aircraft, and it appears that they were aboard passenger aircraft for at least some of their journey. However, like the failed assassination of Prince Mohammed bin Nayef and the Christmas Day attack, this attempt was successful only in its secondary objective, which was to generate global media coverage and sow fear in the West. Given the low cost and low risk associated with such an attack, this is quite an accomplishment — although the failed attack will certainly cause the U.S. government to turn up the heat on Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh to do something about AQAP. Saleh has long played a delicate balancing act of using the jihadists as allies against his enemies in the country’s north and south and has resisted launching an all-out offensive against AQAP. The U.S. government may also expand its unilateral operations against the group."



Read more: Al Qaeda Unlucky Again in Cargo Bombing Attempt | STRATFOR

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Old 2 November 2010, 15:30
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It's possible it could be a combination, in the end anything they can do to damage, disrupt or kill is considered a success.

The thing is, even if you're shipping via UPS of FedEx, you don't know exactly which flight it's going on, and bringing down a cargo plane doesn't have quite the impact as bringing down a passenger jet. I treated every flight I worked with the same diligence, but you can't help but realize there is more at stake in preparing cargo for shipment on a passenger flight vs. shipment on a freighter with 3 crew members aboard.

And you can never be sure, if you're shipping through a forwader, which type of flight your parcel is going on.
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AQAP released a special issue of Inspire Magazine devoted to this plot.

http://publicintelligence.net/inspir...special-issue/
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