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Old 10 November 2018, 14:59
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Both OIF 3 and 5 we used maps in Baghdad. I didn’t even know GPS was an option at the time.
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Old 12 November 2018, 12:06
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A little off topic but relevant I think. I was pretty good at running land nav when I was in. I guess I have a natural ability to orient myself, or so I was told.

One of the things I did when I FTO'd guys at my PD was not allow them to use GPS. I gave them a street directory/map, and handful of summonses to serve, and off we went. If we went to a hot call I would give directions.

They need to be able to find their way around a beat without fumbling for their iPhone.
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Old 12 November 2018, 13:06
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Old 12 November 2018, 13:09
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I still carry maps with me especially on my bike. I stop and do a map check and off until I need to recheck and off again. Dang gps has lead me off the wrong route tooooo many times. Still keep a compass in my go bag also.
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Old 13 November 2018, 00:07
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A little off topic but relevant I think. I was pretty good at running land nav when I was in. I guess I have a natural ability to orient myself, or so I was told.

One of the things I did when I FTO'd guys at my PD was not allow them to use GPS.
I gave them a street directory/map, and handful of summonses to serve, and off we went. If we went to a hot call I would give directions.

They need to be able to find their way around a beat without fumbling for their iPhone.
Lol. I encountered a police officer a few months ago, and he was alongside a busy interstate and still didn’t know which way was north.
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Old 13 November 2018, 09:18
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I saw units in Iraq (2008) rolling out the gate with BFT & GPS, but no maps or compasses.
We used both. Only problem was a lot of times the maps/intel weren't up to date.
We left Ramadi one time, and my navigator and I had gone over a route according to the maps we had. As we're 1/2 way through a clover leaf to get on an ASR, we stop. I radio him and ask what's going on and he says, "There's no road Chief." What? Yeah, the road is just gone. Apparently the maps the 2 shop had given us were from 2003/04, this was 2007. That road had long been blown up.
Backing 7 JERRV/MTVR gun trucks back up a ramp in the dark outside of Ramadi, wasn't the funnest thing I had ever done over there, lol
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Old 13 November 2018, 10:49
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As we're 1/2 way through a clover leaf to get on an ASR...Backing 7 JERRV/MTVR gun trucks back up a ramp in the dark outside of Ramadi, wasn't the funnest thing I had ever done over there, lol
We never used the cloverleafs in Al Anbar; we would just cut cross country. Too many IEDs on the on/off ramps.
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Old 13 November 2018, 11:20
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We never used the cloverleafs in Al Anbar; we would just cut cross country. Too many IEDs on the on/off ramps.
Yeah, but those stupid JERRVs were so freaking heavy, once they went off road, they would get stuck a lot if it wasn't hard packed. I hated those things for mobility
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Old 20 December 2018, 09:56
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Some of the groups I support still request actual maps, both digital and hard copy, mission set depending.
Most of my request come from ODAs or MARSOC teams. Don't really see as many requests from the Navy or USAF.

On the support side of the house, when I met with some of my Army counterparts they spoke of some cool initiatives where they're talking about combining 35G with the cartography MOS to create a more well rounded Geospatial analyst.
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Old 20 December 2018, 12:36
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That would be a cool MOS.
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Old 20 December 2018, 16:17
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PLGR...interesting!

We (2/27 Inf, 7th ID) ended up at Tocumen (by way of Torrillos/Rio
Hato/Chorrera/Patilla) with a tasking to check remote areas up by
David for PDF hold outs.

Existing map data for that area was apparently sparse, and one
afternoon a captain from "Space Command" walked into our TOC
with a "SLGR"--guess it was predecessor of the PLGR. Looked
about size and shape of an early (say 1200 baud days) Hayes
modem. Display gave only a grid. Can't recall what it ran on...
MG803's, maybe.
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Old 21 December 2018, 18:01
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That would be a cool MOS.
Yes it would. I wonder if they make them retrace Lewis & Clark's steps with nothing but an 1800 calorie per day diet and living off of catnaps? All the while using a sketch paper and pencil.
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Old 21 December 2018, 18:18
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PLGR...interesting!

We (2/27 Inf, 7th ID) ended up at Tocumen (by way of Torrillos/Rio
Hato/Chorrera/Patilla) with a tasking to check remote areas up by
David for PDF hold outs.

Existing map data for that area was apparently sparse, and one
afternoon a captain from "Space Command" walked into our TOC
with a "SLGR"--guess it was predecessor of the PLGR. Looked
about size and shape of an early (say 1200 baud days) Hayes
modem. Display gave only a grid. Can't recall what it ran on...
MG803's, maybe.
I have a story I will spare everyone featuring a PLGR and an M113 at NTC before the turn of the century. The best use of that thing was to knock on the track driver's helmet to shout "WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING?" With the antenna extended it would just reach.
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Old 21 December 2018, 18:21
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I have a story I will spare everyone featuring a PLGR and an M113 at NTC before the turn of the century. The best use of that thing was to knock on the track driver's helmet to shout "WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GOING?" With the antenna extended it would just reach.
I was in a Mech unit about 2 1/2 years. As TC I pointed the .50 cal where I wanted to go.
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Old 21 December 2018, 18:43
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I was in a Mech unit about 2 1/2 years. As TC I pointed the .50 cal where I wanted to go.
I couldn't convince them to give the Air Force guy a .50 for some reason.
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Old 21 December 2018, 23:06
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Does anyone even know what a Polar Plot is these days or do they still teach it? One thing the tour as an RI in the mtns did was hone my navigation skills.
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Old 21 December 2018, 23:08
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Does anyone even know what a Polar Plot is these days or do they still teach it? One thing the tour as an RI in the mtns did was hone my navigation skills.
The USMC JTAC program was teaching polar plot calls for fire in 2007-2008.
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Old 21 December 2018, 23:14
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Good. You sometimes have to go back to the basics & not rely on technology.
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Old 21 December 2018, 23:16
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Good. You sometimes have to go back to the basics & not rely on technology sometimes.
Yep...I like to refer to the basics as the "foundation."

Without it, the "tech" junk has no base to hold it up. When the technical starts to break down, the base remains.
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