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Old 13 June 2016, 07:33
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Unless the terrorist was a master shooter, he would have had to change mags at least twice. That's two missed opportunities to have stopped him..

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I have to agree.

Rest In Peace, to the fallen, and a speedy recovery to those still hanging on. I don't care what your lifestyle choice, no one deserves to die at the hands of these troglodytes. This should be a wake up call for ALL Americans, and the rest of the civilized world for that matter.
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Old 13 June 2016, 07:42
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I have to agree.

Rest In Peace, to the fallen, and a speedy recovery to those still hanging on. I don't care what your lifestyle choice, no one deserves to die at the hands of these troglodytes. This should be a wake up call for ALL Americans, and the rest of the civilized world for that matter.
There is another side to what i wrote; we don't yet know how many victims tied from the terrorist shooting, the police shooting or getting trampled.

Regardless, the bastard was in there for 3 hours. ..
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Old 13 June 2016, 07:55
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Tel Aviv Municipality had all it's external lights changing from the Israeli Flag, to US Flag to rainbow colors as a sign of solidarity to the victims, survivors, Orlando and USA.

RIP to the victims.

https://www[dot]facebook.com/ynetnews/videos/10154369478825572/
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Old 13 June 2016, 07:58
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Tel Aviv Municipality had all it's external lights changing from the Israeli Flag, to US Flag to rainbow colors as a sign of solidarity to the victims, survivors, Orlando and USA.

RIP to the victims.

https://www[dot]facebook.com/ynetnews/videos/10154369478825572/
Thanks for posting Hoepoe, that is a nice tribute.
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Old 13 June 2016, 08:19
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If you have been thinking about getting an AR do it. If you have been thinking about getting a second one, or one for the wife, do it.

I see a storm a brewin'. The day might be close where the only place to see an AR is either in your gun case or the SPECOPS museum. No sarcasm intended.
That's what they said about Newtown, and I did take the opportunity to purchase a SCAR-17, that quadrupled in value within a few days. If anything was going to precipitate a banning of semiautos, it was a class full of 5 year olds shot execution style rather than a terrorist attack against gays.

Bottom line, unless Hillary wins and along with Trump's defeat comes a wave election that sweeps the GOP from both houses of congress, there is going to be no legislation of any significance concerning guns.

But I'd say that this incident makes it more likely that Trump wins.
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Old 13 June 2016, 08:43
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I don't have much to say about this. My thoughts and prayers are out to the victims. I used to be a jokester homophobe - made lots of fun of fags to prop up my own weak (at the time) self-esteem. Deep down though, I never really gave a shit if someone was a peter puffer or carpet muncher. As I've matured through the years, my views have changed significantly. I spend quite a bit of time with lesbian couples. They are my Wife's coworkers. I enjoy the hell out of them. All were devastated yesterday. I feel very sorry for them.

Islam needs to get their people in check and jump all over the radical elements of their religion. A very public reformation should be the order of the day. Oh, and fuck all the Sunni Wahhabists. Fuck Saudi Arabia for nurturing the Sect. They need to die.

I did make an ammo run yesterday. I'm going to make it a habit to increase my stores monthly until I run out of space to store it securely.
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Old 13 June 2016, 08:51
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I'm reading and listening to news today and the FBI seems to be in the crosshairs. They interviewed him three times during two investigations (as far as I can tell) and found no reason to place him on a terrorist watch list. I'm certain many Muslim men have been investigated based on various accusations or tips.

Based on limited information I'm wondering why the FBI is being taken to task. Did they drop the ball? Did this guy show himself to be a threat to Americans?

I'm not understanding the press. They seem to support letting more Muslim refugees into America. They seem to want Utopia here with regards to Muslims, and expect perfect execution of identifying who are the threats coming in, but yet don't understand why we can't find all the threats that are currently here now. In other words let's add more possible threats for an already overburdened Federal LEO workload?
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Old 13 June 2016, 09:03
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I'm reading and listening to news today and the FBI seems to be in the crosshairs. They interviewed him three times during two investigations (as far as I can tell) and found no reason to place him on a terrorist watch list. I'm certain many Muslim men have been investigated based on various accusations or tips.

Based on limited information I'm wondering why the FBI is being taken to task. Did they drop the ball? Did this guy show himself to be a threat to Americans?

I'm not understanding the press. They seem to support letting more Muslim refugees into America. They seem to want Utopia here with regards to Muslims, and expect perfect execution of identifying who are the threats coming in, but yet don't understand why we can't find all the threats that are currently here now. In other words let's add more possible threats for an already overburdened Federal LEO workload?

The most informative description of those FBI inquiries is in this article....if accurate....LINK

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The gunman was a security guard with a company called G4S. In a 2012 newsletter, the firm identified him as working in West Palm Beach.

In a statement sent Sunday to the Palm Beach Post, the security company confirmed that he had been an employee since September 2007.

He was a 'known quantity' to the FBI and was investigated twice before the mass shooting.

The FBI said Mateen, who had no criminal history, was first interviewed in 2013 after he made 'inflammatory remarks' to a colleague.

'The FBI first became aware of Mateen in 2013 as he made inflammatory comments to coworkers, alleging possible terrorist ties,' Hopper said during a press conference. 'The FBI thoroughly investigated the matter including interviews of witnesses, physical surveillance and records checks.

'In the course of the investigation, Mateen was interviewed twice.

'Ultimately we were unable to verify the substance of his comments, and the investigation was closed.'

In 2014, Mateen came to the FBI's attention again and agents interviewed him about a potential connection he may have had with American suicide bomber Moner Abu Salha, who lived about 30 minutes away in Vero Beach, Florida.

'We determined that contact was minimal and didn't to constitute a substantive relationship or threat at that that time,' Hopper said.

In addition, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms said that Mateen purchased two weapons legally within the last week.

'He is not a prohibitive person so he can legally walk into a gun dealership,' the representative from the ATF said. 'He did so within the last week or so.'

Mateen had a Statewide Firearms License and was trained in firearms, according to Fox News.

The FBI believe Mateen, who was shot dead by officers, may have 'leanings to radical Islamic terrorism'.
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Old 13 June 2016, 09:05
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I'm not understanding the press. They seem to support letting more Muslim refugees into America. They seem to want Utopia here with regards to Muslims, and expect perfect execution of identifying who are the threats coming in, but yet don't understand why we can't find all the threats that are currently here now. In other words let's add more possible threats for an already overburdened Federal LEO workload?
Until the West understand the Arab and Muslim culture and mindset, it (West) will be like a mouse on a wheel and will continue to lose the war with the extremists.
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Old 13 June 2016, 09:11
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I'm reading and listening to news today and the FBI seems to be in the crosshairs. They interviewed him three times during two investigations (as far as I can tell) and found no reason to place him on a terrorist watch list. I'm certain many Muslim men have been investigated based on various accusations or tips.

Based on limited information I'm wondering why the FBI is being taken to task. Did they drop the ball? Did this guy show himself to be a threat to Americans?

I'm not understanding the press. They seem to support letting more Muslim refugees into America. They seem to want Utopia here with regards to Muslims, and expect perfect execution of identifying who are the threats coming in, but yet don't understand why we can't find all the threats that are currently here now. In other words let's add more possible threats for an already overburdened Federal LEO workload?
The press doesn't understand or care about the "lone-wolf". They always want to put the blame on someone other than the fact the person was a bad apple that decided to lash out on whatever group for whatever reason. Then again, some bleeding hearts want people to be locked-up based on suspicious activity...and if it isn't done and the subject lashes out...then "they told you so" becomes the mantra of the sheep.
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Old 13 June 2016, 09:47
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Until the West understand the Arab and Muslim culture and mindset, it (West) will be like a mouse on a wheel and will continue to lose the war with the extremists.
Winna Winna chicken dinner right there.

I've had many people at home ask me what it's like culturally and when you give them your viewpoint there are looks of confusion. They expect everyone to be like themselves. Show weakness and become prey.
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Old 13 June 2016, 09:55
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Tel Aviv Municipality had all it's external lights changing from the Israeli Flag, to US Flag to rainbow colors as a sign of solidarity to the victims, survivors, Orlando and USA.

RIP to the victims.

https://www[dot]facebook.com/ynetnews/videos/10154369478825572/
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:21
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I think that because Radicalized Islamic Terrorists find homosexuality so abhorrent they will continue to attack the LGBT community. They see it as a direct attack on the depravity of the west. Then they see the response it gets from our media. They see the political opportunists dividing the country even further. Win-win in the minds of the attackers.

I find this ironic on two fronts.

1) The LGBTXYZ community is made up of some of the most left wing radical fanatics in this country who are first in line (behind CAIR) to make excuses for the terrorists and who have been the driving force behind the changes in this country that allow shit like this to happen in the first place. This terrorist probably just killed some of his/their biggest supporters and apologists.

2) They hate homosexuality so much, yet they have no problem fucking little boys for entertainment. Having ripped many many phones of those captured or killed, I can tell you that almost every single one of their phones had porn on them. And not your typical youporn stuff, I'm talking child porn, gay porn, beastiality, Bi-sexual shit etc. Motherfuckers are the definition of Hypocrisy.

So yeah, lots of irony in this whole shitshow.
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:22
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:31
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Based on limited information I'm wondering why the FBI is being taken to task. Did they drop the ball? Did this guy show himself to be a threat to Americans?
The FBI does not work well with locals. They swoop in for interviews, don't tell you ahead of time, and swoop out. They don't request assistance, nor ask for input.

Locals have the scoop. And I'm not talking just local Detectives. I am talking local beat cops. That is who the FBI needs to be dealing with.

That said, this guy apparently was interviewed 3 times as part of two separate investigations. It was just reported on Fox Business that he has made multiple trips to the ME in the last few years. This, along with his online rants should have made him more of a investigative target. However, there are only so many FEEBS.
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:38
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You ppl that don't understand why the press and other shitlibs aren't coming out for stopping/slowing the Islamic invasion; why can't you see that these fucks have never cared about facts or logic, it's always, always about pushing the agenda. Facts be damned. Arguing with them is pointless waste of time. They have no integrity, you can't convince them. They zealots, might as well try and convince a Muslim fanatic to convert to Christianity. S/F....Ken M
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:45
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The FBI does not work well with locals. They swoop in for interviews, don't tell you ahead of time, and swoop out. They don't request assistance, nor ask for input.

Locals have the scoop. And I'm not talking just local Detectives. I am talking local beat cops. That is who the FBI needs to be dealing with.

That said, this guy apparently was interviewed 3 times as part of two separate investigations. It was just reported on Fox Business that he has made multiple trips to the ME in the last few years. This, along with his online rants should have made him more of a investigative target. However, there are only so many FEEBS.
But what could they have done? Barred travel? Ok. What else? What in our constitution allows the .gov to lock someone up (legally) for some online rants and/or take their guns for excercising their 1A right?
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My thoughts exactly.
Why? Not why do you agree, why the rolly eyes?
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Old 13 June 2016, 10:55
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Why? Not why do you agree, why the rolly eyes?
From my perspective, it's so what? It's like people changing their profile pictures on social media to be tinted with the French flag following the attacks in France as a sign of solidarity. It doesn't bring anyone who was killed back, and it doesn't do anything to address the problem or stop it from happening again.
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I find this ironic on two fronts.

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So yeah, lots of irony in this whole shitshow.
Pretty much. I'm about done trying to figure out why the left wing can't/won't see this.
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