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Old 15 August 2019, 10:59
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Icon5 Gen. Norton Schwartz

Anybody work with him when he was with AFSOC? Looks like he had a solid career in the military. He will likely have some influence on my work, which is why I'm asking.
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Old 15 August 2019, 11:20
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I can tell you that he was a very unpopular USAF Chief of Staff.

He was the master of queep, cared more about spit and polish than the mission. Too many things to list (or even remember at this point), but "Blues Monday" was probably the most memorable and hated directive.
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Old 15 August 2019, 11:33
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Skeletor? What did he accomplish in office, let’s see...Blues Mondays. Yep that’s it.
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Old 15 August 2019, 17:51
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Failed the Army's height & weight standards. Oh wait. He was a General. Nevermind.
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Old 15 August 2019, 18:21
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Failed the Army's height & weight standards. Oh wait. He was a General. Nevermind.
Too skinny? Guy couldn’t weigh more than a buck thirty five.
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Old 15 August 2019, 18:50
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Failed the Army's height & weight standards. Oh wait. He was a General. Nevermind.
Any chance you're thinking of ol' Stormin' Norman?
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Old 15 August 2019, 18:53
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Failed the Army's height & weight standards. Oh wait. He was a General. Nevermind.
Never mind - Gray Rhyno beat me to the punch....
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Old 15 August 2019, 22:58
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Can't vouch for him at big blue Air Force, but Norty Schwartz was popular within the SOF community and at AFSOC. For 1 riser, here's the difference. As for blues Mondays... today at SOCOM there is Navy Khaki Thursdays, Marine Corps Charlies Fridays, And Air Force flight suits any day of the week. I wear Hawaiian shirts every day, so I'm good.
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Old 16 August 2019, 01:03
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Appreciate it. I couldn't find my glasses for hours. Seriously.

The General looks like a runner.
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Old 16 August 2019, 01:09
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I've heard the same praise from AFSOC buddies. Underwhelming as COS IMO but then again so were a few others who were supposed to be rock stars, including Gen Welsh. Much better than McPeak.
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Old 16 August 2019, 07:00
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Can't vouch for him at big blue Air Force, but Norty Schwartz was popular within the SOF community and at AFSOC. For 1 riser, here's the difference. As for blues Mondays... today at SOCOM there is Navy Khaki Thursdays, Marine Corps Charlies Fridays, And Air Force flight suits any day of the week. I wear Hawaiian shirts every day, so I'm good.
Read his bio, first Herc driver to be CoS.
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My wing CC at Hurlburt, loved him.
He replaced a fired CoS, so the fighter/bomber mafia was pissed off.
Your pissed off about Blue Monday? Be glad you didn't work for me.
He took shit because Rumsfeld was SecDef when he was a MG, and Congress had a bone to pick. He was saddled with Gates as a SecDef (one of the worst ever).
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Old 19 August 2019, 04:52
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Read his bio, first Herc driver to be CoS.

Known him for a long time. What's your point?
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Old 19 August 2019, 05:42
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Known him for a long time. What's your point?
Truncated my point, I meant I read his bio and was surprised to see he was a C-130 pilot.
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Old 19 August 2019, 10:20
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I agree with SN, a lot of his problems were political both internal and external. IIRC Light Attack/Light Reconnaissance died under his tenure, for a few reasons and he was stuck with overseeing the closure of the F-22 order which was contentious and a mistake in retrospect. Although at the time, I personally didn't like what the spending was, I also didn't have any faith the F-35 program was going to deliver any savings or be delivered on time.

I know several former Talon and Gunship pilots that were just excited to see an AFSOC pilot make it as far as he did. Some of these same people didn't consider General Holland to really be AFSOC.
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Old 19 August 2019, 14:16
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Truncated my point, I meant I read his bio and was surprised to see he was a C-130 pilot.

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