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Old 12 January 2019, 16:40
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Old 12 January 2019, 17:00
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I get just as much insight from the newly proclaimed Christian as I do from a PhD from Southeastern Baptist Seminary.
So you are saying that a pastor which has dedicated his life to the study of the Bible, studies the fathers of the church, studies the original languages of the Bible, and is being held responsible for those under him, will show you the same things as a brand new Christian?
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Old 12 January 2019, 17:29
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Let's dont make this a Theological pissing contest. That's why folks say never discuss religion and politics. The thread author noted some do's & don'ts to keep it interesting and share views. Not challenge them.
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Old 12 January 2019, 17:34
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15 minute time limit - tops. Get your point across, some key points and be done with it. Longer than that, people loose interest and minds start to wonder.

Unfortunately, have not been to church in almost 4 years and doubtful wil return.
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I find Theology in general fascinating. I'm a non-denominational protestant. Bible school, Church camp all of that. Baptized in early teens. Whenever I travelled...like food I tried to interest myself in everything about the culture including religion. There's no argument from me about your God. Tell me all about him...I'll sit around the hookah and listen to you all day. Just dont try to convert me.

I don't worship at a Church. In fact, I cant remember last time I was in one. I would probably suffer from spontaneous human combustion if I entered the doors. I know that's wrong but in reality kinda how I feel . I don't feel comfortable there as I don't in a lot of public/other areas.

The outdoors and seeing Gods majestic work has always been my Church. Like Tom T. Hall sang; Me & Jesus got our own thing going. Me & Jesus got it all worked out.
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I dont believe church is a requirement for being saved, 1RS, and I believe the verse pretty clearly supports that belief.

I also believe the denominations are simply division in the church. We all must remember we worship the same Biblical Creator.

Another shout out to HDLS for sacking up and starting this discussion.
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Old 12 January 2019, 17:50
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Please put this into the "Humor" thread.
Fairy tales for adults.
At the age of 15 I tossed up becoming a padre in the paras or being a tooth arm.
Decided on the latter.
Please, please, please, let's leave the proselytizing and angst off of what is probably the best, most knowledgeable and resected forum on the net.
No disrespect intended to the faithful.
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Old 12 January 2019, 17:57
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Please put this into the "Humor" thread.
Fairy tales for adults...

...No disrespect intended to the faithful...
Either you didn't read the first post or, if you did, you chose not to honor HDLS's request:

"I'll ask upfront that this thread exists to respectfully discuss any sort of Christian topics. The thread is not to debate or opine about the existence/non-existence of God, flying spaghetti monster, Odin, et al. Please start a separate thread if that is your preference. Thank you."

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Old 12 January 2019, 18:10
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Alistair Begg is good for me, also Raul Reese(believe he is a Vietnam Vet), but my favorite is the late David Wilkerson, a fire and brimstone guy. Dont like the televangelists. However I also like to listen to debates between Christians and athiests if there is no name calling and is respectful. Other points of view make me question some tenants of my faith. Always learning. YMMV. Interesting thread Gents!
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:26
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My wife and I and our kids are all pretty devout Christians, following the we are. We don't go to any brick-and-mortar church anymore. After reading the Bible several times and doing some independent research that is not the model that we choose to follow. We, all of us, all Christians are "The Church", and it's funny how the Bible does not mention 11-12 on Sundays, Wednesday evening meals, any of that.

We Believe and the home Church concept, but we get our spiritual and Christian guidance from a variety of other believers. I get just as much insight from the newly proclaimed Christian as I do from a PhD from Southeastern Baptist Seminary.

I love discussing Christianity, religion, the Bible, especially from a historical perspective.
I believe Sunday came from the Roman, Constatine--Sunday became a day to worship both the Christian God and the Sun God...all because he painted a cross on his shield and won a major battle. IIRC
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:29
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Religion emphasizes dogma while spirituality emphasizes wisdom...
Many of our problems start when folks let religion get in front of their faith.

Just a closer walk... without the ritual and dogma. He died for me. I need no intercessor.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:34
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Many of our problems start when folks let religion get in front of their faith.

Just a closer walk... without the ritual and dogma. He died for me. I need no intercessor.
Exactly.

No doctrine should surpass or usurp one's personal relationship with Christ.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:43
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Like a couple of you have mentioned...if I stepped into a church it would probably collapse on my head.
That being said, I was raised a RC. I have since come to dislike (for lack of a better word) organized religion. I am a believer in the Old Stories, past that I have no beliefs. I only believe in what I can directly control, and while I consider myself a spiritual being, I would not say I am any sort of "believer". I have faith in those who choose to live a good life and try to serve their fellow humanity in some way. I do find the topic fascinating, though. I will discuss religion with anyone who is rational enough to have a cogent discuss on the subject.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:50
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I have discovered an App and podcast called The Daily Audio Bible and listen to that every day. Brian does a great job narrating and providing limited commentary and there is a world wide body of folks who listen and call in to pray for one another.


I became a Christian "on the road to the motor pool" in Fort Lewis, WA back in 1987. Literally.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:54
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Same, spot on actually.

I consider myself spiritual but not religious. And yes I am aware of how lame it sounds.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:57
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So you are saying that a pastor which has dedicated his life to the study of the Bible, studies the fathers of the church, studies the original languages of the Bible, and is being held responsible for those under him, will show you the same things as a brand new Christian?
I said "insight". It's amazing who you can learn from if you open your mind, I've learned from people here reading this thread. Some things I agree with, some things I don't, some things provoke you to think more, do more research, it's all good.
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Old 12 January 2019, 18:59
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Old 12 January 2019, 19:07
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Bishop Fulton J Sheen. His presentations are on youtube. I was too young to follow him when he was active, but a friend had me watch a couple, and he is the real deal.
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Old 12 January 2019, 19:53
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Hey. Don't you judge me.
That's funny because I just looked above the headboard! There are 6. Though cool...they don't work for crap.

I'm having difficulty not using profanity. I think I'll just read from here out.
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Old 12 January 2019, 20:18
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anybody remember Lester Roloff?
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Old 12 January 2019, 20:46
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I read a lot of John MacArthur. His biblical commentaries are fantastic, and he's got several different daily devotionals on his website, gracetoyou.org

He's ruffled some feathers in the past with some of his views, but he does a great job of really digging into the Bible and I tend to learn a lot when I read his commentaries.
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