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Old 4 August 2019, 14:51
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Old 4 August 2019, 17:00
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Is "The Manifesto" which came from 8chan real? There is already proof of fake pics, etc. making it's way around the internet.
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Old 4 August 2019, 17:12
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Through the tragedy one soldier, PFC Glendon Oakley Jr., stands tall.

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At first, Army Pfc. Glendon Oakley Jr. was completely unaware of the chaos unfolding just around the corner. Then he pulled his gun.

A 22-year-old Army automated logistics specialist assigned to the 504th Composite Supply Company, 142nd Combat Support Sustainment Battalion, 1st Armored Division Sustainment Brigade at Fort Bliss, Texas, Oakley had been shopping at a sporting goods store inside the Cielo Vista Mall in El Paso when a young child burst into the store shouting about an active shooter at the nearby Walmart.

"The guy at the register and I sort of looked at each other," Oakley told Task & Purpose in a phone interview on Saturday. "He's a little kid ... are you going to believe him?"

The threat was very real. At least 20 people were killed and dozens more wounded when a gunman opened fire at the Walmart, sending terrified bystanders fleeing through the neighboring mall.

When Oakley exited the store minutes later and headed to the neighboring Footlocker, he finally heard the sound of gunfire echoing across the mall. He immediately pulled the Glock 9mm he occasionally carries under Texas's concealed carry laws.

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While he had just returned from an incident-free deployment to Kuwait, this was not his first firefight.

Oakley had been home from Kuwait for just about four months when he found himself brandishing his Glock stuck in the Cielo Vista Mall Footlocker. A handful of employees had initially brought down the store's metal security gate, but they had decided to make a run for the mall exits. Oakley followed, an impromptu rear guard for the group.

The group quickly stumbled upon a group of a dozen children clustered in one of the mall's open play areas, screaming for their parents. Oakley says he tried to get fleeing bystanders to help, but none would stop.

"I didn't even think. I just grabbed as many kids as I could and ran five stores down to the exit," he said. "We got there and ran into a whole batch of police pointing their guns at us. I wasn't focused on myself, and I wasn't focused on my surroundings ... I was just focused on those kids."
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Old 4 August 2019, 17:19
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Blaming video games for mass shootings is like stating Dungeons & Dragons leads to Devil Worship. It's silly.
Apples and Oranges. Devil worship was a made up panic in the 1980s. These mass shootings arent imaginary. There is a direct correlation between these fucks and these games. They all play them, and this guy even referenced them in his manifesto, as did the Christchurch shooter. They call it "getting the high score"

The games now are so realistic they desensitize people to violence to an unreal degree, as do all these movies and TV shows with violence on the level that would get an X rating when I was a kid. Not much to stop an unstable kid who doesn't believe in hell to mow down tons of people like it is a game.

We've always had the guns, we didn't start having the massacres until we permitted our culture to become degenerate in numerous ways.
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Old 4 August 2019, 18:51
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Blaming video games for mass shootings is like stating Dungeons & Dragons leads to Devil Worship. It's silly.
Mako6 can fend for himself, but I didn't read that he was blaming video games for mass shooting. I think he was stating there is a link between the two along with a laundry list of other factors.
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Old 4 August 2019, 19:24
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There is a direct correlation between these fucks and these games. They all play them, and this guy even referenced them in his manifesto, as did the Christchurch shooter. They call it "getting the high score"

The games now are so realistic they desensitize people to violence to an unreal degree, as do all these movies and TV shows with violence on the level that would get an X rating when I was a kid. Not much to stop an unstable kid who doesn't believe in hell to mow down tons of people like it is a game.

We've always had the guns, we didn't start having the massacres until we permitted our culture to become degenerate in numerous ways.
Lots of people play those games and then do NOT go out and commit violence.

Violence and parasitic behaviour has been around since the dawn of humanity. Blaming video games is shallow thinking. Bit like blaming firearms...
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Old 4 August 2019, 19:48
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"Blaming video games is shallow thinking."

The problem comes in when the individuals who are fucked in the head cannot separate the 'game' from reality. Just like the gun, it is not the games fault, it falls on the individual and more than likely those around that person who knew they were fucked up.

David Berkowitz blamed shit on a dog, Hinckley blamed Jodie Foster - I'm sure we can all agree that the dog and Jodie really had no influence other than the focal point of some deranged bastards fantasy.
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Old 4 August 2019, 20:00
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"Blaming video games is shallow thinking."

The problem comes in when the individuals who are fucked in the head cannot separate the 'game' from reality. Just like the gun, it is not the games fault, it falls on the individual and more than likely those around that person who knew they were fucked up.

David Berkowitz blamed shit on a dog, Hinckley blamed Jodie Foster - I'm sure we can all agree that the dog and Jodie really had no influence other than the focal point of some deranged bastards fantasy.
I've been playing games in some form or another since NES, still do!

Never wanted to shoot anyone, and it never diminished my appreciation for the finality of death, it was just a game as it should wholeheartedly be.

I feel it's disheartening and unfair to victims to give these fucking scum any sort of out or excuse, whether it be video games or any other reason.
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Old 4 August 2019, 21:53
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Lots of people play those games and then do NOT go out and commit violence.

Violence and parasitic behaviour has been around since the dawn of humanity. Blaming video games is shallow thinking. Bit like blaming firearms...
It’s not blame, and it’s not just video games. It’s desensitization and normalization- in normal, average people (or what that usec to mean) that will cause a cultural shift to where things that were once taboo, frowned upon or decidedly abnormal become routine. Which leads people to look for the next taboo and push what had become “normal” to the limits.

In people who are unstable or who have, because of the degradation of societal norms become the equivalent it leads them to thinking the way to solve their problems is to emulate what they see/hear/experience on a regular basis. Leading to these situations.

When I was growing up (I’m only 36) the way to solve a problem was a fist fight...to even think of a gun would have been insane. To think that shooting up a crowd of people because you were an unhappy teen would have been unspeakable.

Yet here we are- our society had been desensitized and degraded to where these freaks see nothing wrong with their actions. But nobody’s wants to talk about that.
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Old 4 August 2019, 22:44
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I've been playing those games for years. I've never committed a mass shooting.

SSRIs, a seemingly endless amount of political pressure in calling certain groups "pieces of shit" or "I hate XXXX-people", economic pressure, broken homes, failing communities, academic pressure, sexual selection issues becoming more and more extreme as a result of tinderella-ing, disenfranchisement at seemingly nearly every single level, then the idea planted into the heads of young men by the media sensationalizing all these shootings.

In the end, you got a lot of pissed off young people with mental issues who are being told (emotionally) that the best way to solve your problem is to kill as many people as you can. So even though mass-shootings are ridiculously rare --- they are absolute media GOLD because they contain all the stuff stupid people get hooked on: emotion, hysteria, political points, social media re-tweetability, etc. Plus that forced narrative plays right into the hands of the politicians and their agenda.
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Old 5 August 2019, 00:03
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From the ramblings posted here, the shooter appears to have been navel-gazing for a long time, internalizing ideas and taking them past their logical extreme, then adopting for himself the image of a lone hero who would go out in a blaze of glory and fame or the much-admired savior figure of a bunch of appreciative xenophobes, tree-huggers, racists and anti-capitalists. That casts a pretty wide net into copycat land.

The shock and drama surrounding these events is justified, but consider: on the day those folks got shot in Ohio, how many were being shot in Chicago? On the day those folks were shot in El Paso, how many were being shot just across the river in Juarez? As tragic as both events were, they are being stage managed at the expense of other events specifically to create the emotional reaction desired by the MSM at a useful point in time for political agendas, with no crisis being allowed to go to waste.
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Old 5 August 2019, 00:06
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When I was growing up (I’m only 36) the way to solve a problem was a fist fight...to even think of a gun would have been insane. To think that shooting up a crowd of people because you were an unhappy teen would have been unspeakable.

Yet here we are- our society had been desensitized and degraded to where these freaks see nothing wrong with their actions. But nobody’s wants to talk about that.
I think the trap is thinking that "unspeakable" violence is a new thing. It isn't. It's been around for millennia.

It's been around a hell of a lot longer than firearms have existed. The media though...hasn't.

IMHO, the media have a lot more responsibility for these activities than any other aspect of life, (with maybe the sole exception being inappropriate medication).
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I've been playing those games for years. I've never committed a mass shooting.

SSRIs, a seemingly endless amount of political pressure in calling certain groups "pieces of shit" or "I hate XXXX-people", economic pressure, broken homes, failing communities, academic pressure, sexual selection issues becoming more and more extreme as a result of tinderella-ing, disenfranchisement at seemingly nearly every single level, then the idea planted into the heads of young men by the media sensationalizing all these shootings.

In the end, you got a lot of pissed off young people with mental issues who are being told (emotionally) that the best way to solve your problem is to kill as many people as you can. So even though mass-shootings are ridiculously rare --- they are absolute media GOLD because they contain all the stuff stupid people get hooked on: emotion, hysteria, political points, social media re-tweetability, etc. Plus that forced narrative plays right into the hands of the politicians and their agenda.
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Old 5 August 2019, 08:03
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The media makes so much money off of these shootings. Breathless reporting, regurgitating the same old lines. The politicians release the same prepared statements. It is all so predictable and played out. Nothing they say or do is about saving lives. They want control in every aspect of our existence.
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The Father = No Father. You read about the kids' Father?

Video games, bullying by family or outsiders, many many things hit-on the youngest of minds. And usually it explodes when they are vulnerable, in those hormone bursting years.

As has been said here many times. It does start in the home.
Probably starts and ends in the home with the right home environment.
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The Father = No Father. You read about the kids' Father?

Video games, bullying by family or outsiders, many many things hit-on the youngest of minds. And usually it explodes when they are vulnerable, in those hormone bursting years.

As has been said here many times. It does start in the home.
Probably starts and ends in the home with the right home environment.
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Don't forget his "Call of Duty" reference, which he abbreviates COD.

We have an entire generation of idiots raised without God or moral boundaries who have rehearsed slaughtering human beings over and over, day after day, on their X-Box, through first-person shooters, who we then feed amphetamines and SSRIs to to treat their natural lack of focus and agitation in class. I'm surprised more of the, don't do this, tbh.
That about sums it up...
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Not sure. In this case I think it's ->*because if I don't, I'm a douche*

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Don't forget his "Call of Duty" reference, which he abbreviates COD.

We have an entire generation of idiots raised without God or moral boundaries who have rehearsed slaughtering human beings over and over, day after day, on their X-Box, through first-person shooters, who we then feed amphetamines and SSRIs to to treat their natural lack of focus and agitation in class. I'm surprised more of the, don't do this, tbh.
The problem with blaming the games is that far magnitudes of order more people play first person shooters that never commit a violent act.
The video game is a weak scapegoat.
It is more probable that people with violent fantasies are attracted to violent video games rather than the games being a cause.

I do agree that being raised in an environment without little to no discipline and a lack of a moral compass is more of a contributor.
Most of these shootings are being committed by young men with no coping skills and they are having temper tantrums with guns.

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The problem with blaming the games is that far magnitudes of order more people play first person shooters that never commit a violent act.
The video game a weak scapegoat.
It is more probable that people with violent fantasies are attracted to violent video games rather than the games being a cause.
Right - every time I see a house on fire, I see Fire Trucks... Fire Trucks cause house fires.
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