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Old 7 August 2019, 11:47
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Life is hard, bad shit happens, defend yourself, nobody else is responsible for you, but you.

Nothing bad that happens makes gun control acceptable. How many school children will I allow to die before I allow gun control? All of them.

None of the fuckers proposing gun control at the political level give the first fuck about dead people as people, they're tools to accomplish what they care about, which is taking guns(power) away from their political enemies. S/F....Ken M
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Old 7 August 2019, 11:50
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But what do we really want them to do? We get angry because they don’t act on the “red flags” so they propose a law allowing them to do so, and we say it violates people’s rights, because well, it does. If there wasn’t a crime that would affect his firearms ownership, then there is no failure. all that we are left with is “this is a really fucked up individual” which is not a justification to take go take someone’s guns.
I don't know Ohio Law, or Federal Law. Seems to me if 2 Spec4's could be charged with terrorism for lighting off an Arty Sim at 3AM in an empty parking lot - this loser committed some felony, somewhere? If not, yea, your right - but my lord, if there was ever a case for "creative charging" from a local DA - it's this.

"threatened to shoot up the school" - not a felony?

"she handed her phone over to authorities so they could see threats he sent her." - not a felony? (but god forbid two 16 year olds send nudes!!!! - but I digress).

"had texted her a copy of the rape list" - not a felony?


Back in the day, this fuck would have turned up in a river, c/o a brother or father of one of those girls.
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It's a conundrum, for sure.

My only hypothesis is to make shit like the response to mass shootings so unpalatable, so horrific, that people just willingly say to themselves "well, fuck that"

Target their families in the aftermath. 95% of it stops, starting tomorrow. But, that sounds an awful lot like a war which sucks, but at what point do the gloves come off?
Short of some “government knows best” liegiskation, I don’t think there is anything to do, other than make sure we do our part to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
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Old 7 August 2019, 12:04
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The dude shot his sister. You think going after the shooter's family is a deterrent? Do you think that anyone planning a mass shooting is giving fuck one about their family?
Not exactly.

Do you have a better idea? Or would it be more spitballing, as I just did?
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Old 7 August 2019, 12:06
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Short of some “government knows best” liegiskation, I don’t think there is anything to do, other than make sure we do our part to protect ourselves and our loved ones.
All I know, or think I know, is that the response to a mass shooting needs to be abhorrent, so abhorrent that the perpetrator prays every second of every day that the punishment stops, IMO that's the only reasonable option to deter these buttholes.

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Old 7 August 2019, 12:16
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Great, we want to fight and defend our rights, and to do so we use a word that will come across as bigoted and piss off more people unnecessarily.....

Tighten your shot group.
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Old 7 August 2019, 12:18
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Great, we want to fight and defend our rights, and to do so we use a word that will come across as bigoted and piss off more people unnecessarily.....

Tighten your shot group.
Sorry SB, fixed.
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Old 7 August 2019, 12:27
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I don't know Ohio Law, or Federal Law. Seems to me if 2 Spec4's could be charged with terrorism for lighting off an Arty Sim at 3AM in an empty parking lot - this loser committed some felony, somewhere? If not, yea, your right - but my lord, if there was ever a case for "creative charging" from a local DA - it's this.

"threatened to shoot up the school" - not a felony?

"she handed her phone over to authorities so they could see threats he sent her." - not a felony? (but god forbid two 16 year olds send nudes!!!! - but I digress).

"had texted her a copy of the rape list" - not a felony?


Back in the day, this fuck would have turned up in a river, c/o a brother or father of one of those girls.
I wouldn’t think a list would be a felony, and I am not very familiar with Ohio law either, but it look like the threats are only a misdemeanor. Do we start prosecuting every person that makes a threat? Didn’t Madonna threaten to blow up the White House with no consequences?
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Old 7 August 2019, 13:49
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I wouldn’t think a list would be a felony, and I am not very familiar with Ohio law either, but it look like the threats are only a misdemeanor. Do we start prosecuting every person that makes a threat? Didn’t Madonna threaten to blow up the White House with no consequences?
Didn't another pose with the decapitated head of our POTUS, with the same consequences?

Just imagine, if you will, if anyone did that to our former POTUS...

...but laws don't apply to them.
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Old 7 August 2019, 14:39
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Didn't another pose with the decapitated head of our POTUS, with the same consequences?

Just imagine, if you will, if anyone did that to our former POTUS...

...but laws don't apply to them.
Exactly. Of course if either of them actually did manage to kill POTUS, then people would say they should have acted on the threat. And I can understand that, but it has to be within the law, we can’t just have government going around taking guns from people because they decided on their own it’s the right thing to do.

What’s much crazier to me is that someone can shoot up a school and kill 5 people, and be free less than 10 years later, only to kill again. But once again, that’s how the law is written. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/07/30/1998-arkansas-school-shooter-dies-head-car-crash-police-say/1864734001/
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It's a conundrum, for sure.

My only hypothesis is to make shit like the response to mass shootings so unpalatable, so horrific, that people just willingly say to themselves "well, fuck that"

Target their families in the aftermath. 95% of it stops, starting tomorrow. But, that sounds an awful lot like a war which sucks, but at what point do the gloves come off?
If a cop has a bad shoot do we target their family?
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If a cop has a bad shoot do we target their family?
Pretty sure that's nothing new.
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I wouldn’t think a list would be a felony, and I am not very familiar with Ohio law either, but it look like the threats are only a misdemeanor. Do we start prosecuting every person that makes a threat? Didn’t Madonna threaten to blow up the White House with no consequences?
Again, maybe FuKing can join, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat
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If a cop has a bad shoot do we target their family?



"We" dont - you know the 'royal we' but the media targets them - hell the media targets them when they have GOOD shoot
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I don't know Ohio Law, or Federal Law. Seems to me if 2 Spec4's could be charged with terrorism for lighting off an Arty Sim at 3AM in an empty parking lot - this loser committed some felony, somewhere? If not, yea, your right - but my lord, if there was ever a case for "creative charging" from a local DA - it's this.

"threatened to shoot up the school" - not a felony?

"she handed her phone over to authorities so they could see threats he sent her." - not a felony? (but god forbid two 16 year olds send nudes!!!! - but I digress).


"had texted her a copy of the rape list" - not a felony?


Back in the day, this fuck would have turned up in a river, c/o a brother or father of one of those girls.
In Georgia its called Terroristic Threats and Acts. It is a state charge, and believe me. the local 5.0 WILL charge you with it.
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Looks like it is being confirmed the shooter was a member of Antifa.
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Old 8 August 2019, 08:24
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Looks like it is being confirmed the shooter was a member of Antifa.
I saw this as well. I wonder if this will be the event that gets them designated as a terrorist organization.
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Old 8 August 2019, 08:28
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I saw this as well. I wonder if this will be the event that gets them designated as a terrorist organization.
But, but, but Trump is encouraging white nationalist racist bigoted movement and empowering the KKK and neo-Nazis!

It is the NRA’s fault!
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Old 8 August 2019, 10:36
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If a cop has a bad shoot do we target their family?
I categorise a bad shoot and a mass shooting as apples and oranges, but no and you're right. Point taken.
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Old 8 August 2019, 10:58
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Again, maybe FuKing can join, but:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terroristic_threat
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I don't like where this whole process has gone.
It used to be someone could shoot of their mouth about blowing up work, or say "I'd like to eff her" and life went on.
Threats made coupled with an apparent ability, that caused fear of imminent harm in others were always actionable as crimes.
Attempts, where one could show a criminal intent and steps towards completion of that act were always actionable.
Conspiracy, where two or more persons shared a plan to commit a crime and one of them performed an overt act towards the crime, were always actionable.
But communicating, attempts and conspiracy law morphed especially in the AA/EEO arena where making a victim uncomfortable became administratively actionable. Then adding an element of "hate" to enhance criminal sanctions came in. It is to the point I don't recognize much of what all is going on.
I am pissed at a report this morning that the FBI monitoring social media notified local law enforcement of a potential threat. The FBI is not supposed to be monitoring people without a specific predicate - and they don't have plenary police power - our federal government is of limited jurisdiction. In my way of thinking, state and local law enforcement is where this "lead" should have come from. In small states lacking resources, the federal government's role is to give the state/locality a grant. Don't get me wrong, if the FBI wants to track terrorist cells made of up persons tied to foreign governments, fine, but we seem to have forgotten how we got in trouble monitoring the anti-war movement in the late 60s and the controls put in place after the Church Commission.
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