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Old 6 November 2002, 00:15
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Warning: Another 18x Question

Warning: Another 18x questions follows. Read at your own discretion.

I know Iīm running a risk by asking another 18x question on the heals of TaekwonVīs spanking, but here it goes. Iīve been lurking a while, and have searched this board. If these questions have been covered, I canīt find them.

Iīm close to signing an 18x contract. My recruiter said my college experience (I have two BAs and 180+ credit hours) will let me go in as an E-4. (I take this to mean Iīll be a Corporal upon completion of OSUT. )

(I also scored in the 99th percentile for the ASVAB composite but I donīt think this has anything to do with going in at an advanced rate, does it? I donīt know my GT score.)

My question is when would I be eligible for promotion to E-5? (or to Specialist, for that matter?) To E-6? Also, I realize thereīs a difference between "eligible for promotion" and being promoted. Whatīs the most likely scenario, assuming I progress through the 18X pipeline without delays and receive good reviews?

Iīve seen the promotion rate chart on About.com. It's helpful for Average Time in Service for promotions from E-1 to E-4. However, it is vague for promotions to E-5 and above for someone that starts at E-4.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...promotion+rate


Second question. I'm fluent in Spanish, and speak just enough Portuguese to perhaps rate a blip on a proficiency exam. (Iīve spent the last five years in SA.) Does that mean Iīm destined to end up in the 7th Group, or would I be given the option of picking up another language? Would acing the DLAB increase the probabilities of being offered a chance to learn another language.(I havenīt taken the DLAB yet.)

It seems that I heard conflicting answers. I think Iīve read, though I canīt remember where, that everyone in SF goes to language school, regardless of prior language abilities. Iīve also read that you may or may not go to language school if you already speak a language that SF 'needs.ī Any clarification?

Thanks, James
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Old 6 November 2002, 00:28
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If you go in as an E4 you will go as a SPC (specialist) not a CPL. The earliest you will be eligible for promotion to E5 would be when you no longer require two waivers for promotion in the secondary zone (one for time in service and one for time in grade) have passed the promotion board and have completed PLDC. Average time for promotion would depend on the soldier. I saw guys make E5 in 24 months TIS I saw some E4's with 7 years TIS and no NJP.
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Old 6 November 2002, 00:38
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Re: Warning: Another 18x Question

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Warning: Another 18x questions follows. Read at your own discretion.

I know Iīm running a risk by asking another 18x question on the heals of TaekwonVīs spanking, but here it goes. Iīve been lurking a while, and have searched this board. If these questions have been covered, I canīt find them.

Iīm close to signing an 18x contract. My recruiter said my college experience (I have two BAs and 180+ credit hours) will let me go in as an E-4. (I take this to mean Iīll be a Corporal upon completion of OSUT. )

(I also scored in the 99th percentile for the ASVAB composite but I donīt think this has anything to do with going in at an advanced rate, does it? I donīt know my GT score.)

My question is when would I be eligible for promotion to E-5? (or to Specialist, for that matter?) To E-6? Also, I realize thereīs a difference between "eligible for promotion" and being promoted. Whatīs the most likely scenario, assuming I progress through the 18X pipeline without delays and receive good reviews?

Iīve seen the promotion rate chart on About.com. It's helpful for Average Time in Service for promotions from E-1 to E-4. However, it is vague for promotions to E-5 and above for someone that starts at E-4.

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/...promotion+rate


Second question. I'm fluent in Spanish, and speak just enough Portuguese to perhaps rate a blip on a proficiency exam. (Iīve spent the last five years in SA.) Does that mean Iīm destined to end up in the 7th Group, or would I be given the option of picking up another language? Would acing the DLAB increase the probabilities of being offered a chance to learn another language.(I havenīt taken the DLAB yet.)

It seems that I heard conflicting answers. I think Iīve read, though I canīt remember where, that everyone in SF goes to language school, regardless of prior language abilities. Iīve also read that you may or may not go to language school if you already speak a language that SF 'needs.ī Any clarification?

Thanks, James
James:

I believe that you have asked some of the best questions I have seen here.

Thanks for reading and researching before asking. You will rarely be flamed for asking an intelligent question which is not available elsewhere.

The normal 18X will be boarded for E-5 during Language School, but will not be promoted till the minimum time in service is reached, which I believe is 24 months. Not sure starting as an E-4 (BTW ,Corporal is the same grade as Specialist, E-4) will matter since the issue is the TIS.

If your ASVAB is 99%, your GT score is likely pretty high.

With the language skills you have and your time in Latin America, I am surprised that you do not seem to want to go to the 7th SFGA and use your skills in the SOUTHCOM AOR.

If your intent is to go elsewhere, I would recommend that you do not reveal your Spanish and Portugese language skills and instead rely on a good DLAB score to get you into a more difficult language.

You let on that you are fluent in Spanish and or Port, and it happens that 7th SFGA is short of whatever MOS you may have when you graduate Phase IV, it is highly likely that you would be tested on your languages and sent to 7th SFGA after completing SERE.

One of the other Groups needs someone with your MOS and you are not known to be a Spanish speaker, you may very well be sent to learn another language before SERE and assignment to another Group.

Hope this helps. Good luck!

TR
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Old 6 November 2002, 02:22
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that is my advice as well

although i have a soft spot in my heart for the 7SFGA, if you do not wish to go there, then definitely do not let on that you speak Spanish or Portuguese.

Lobby for whatever other language you prefer (or the Army chooses for you). I would definitely make it a good long hard one (stop it, Reaper), and then test out of all your languages towards the end of DLI.

In other words, one of the final things you do at DLI is get a rating. You can test in other languages at the same time, and get rated in those other languages. There is nothing wrong with having multiple languages on your records (in fact, it is pretty studly), and assuming that your new language is scarce in the ranks, there is little risk that you will be yanked to 7th GRP.

if you are in doubt, and you really prefer to never return back down South to where the chicas await, then don't say anything about Romance languages, and don'tget rated in them.
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Old 6 November 2002, 04:53
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Thats a pretty heavy resume to begin with.It seems like the 18x program is really attracting some high grade people (along with others who may not be as serious). Kind of reminds me of a passage in Danger Close, where Yon talks of one of his fellow recruits, and how among other things, ran at night, while reading a book, during infantry school to get in some extra PT. These would be the kind of guys I would forsee finishing the pipeline, which is great. Maybe I'm totally off, but it doesn't really seem like the type of program that will let the less qualified slip through, so I don't really understand why a lot of guys don't give it much credit.
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Old 6 November 2002, 07:23
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Just a quick question concerning the Portuguese language. Doesnt Africa also have some Portguese speaking countries? So 3rd Group would also need someones with this language too right?
Personally I think any SF Group would be great to be a part of, except for Det-K, but thats just because I am in Korea right now.
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Old 6 November 2002, 10:40
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correcta-mundo

Portuguese is spoken in the former African colonies of Portugal, in Brazil, as well as, dare I say it, in Portugal itself.
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Old 6 November 2002, 22:54
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Many thanks for the replies and advice, the Reaper, BrewMonkey and Magician.

I might have trouble concealing the Spanish; one of the degrees is in Spanish. Although for all I know, what my degrees are in may not go on my file, or at least may be buried so deeply in a file that no one will notice.

I have nothing against the 7th SFGA, of course, and would gladly serve in it. Itīs just after this much time here, I would like to know other parts of the world. Furthermore, Iīd like to milk the SF training for all its worth and let the Army teach me a more 'exoticīlanguage that I otherwise wouldnīt be exposed to.

Again, much obliged.

James
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Old 7 November 2002, 01:49
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Doesn't matter what we attract, it's what we graduate and send to the teams.

Will some of the 18x graduates be sent directly to "A teams?"
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Old 7 November 2002, 01:52
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Will some of the 18x graduates be sent directly to "A teams?"
Where do you think we should be sending them?
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Old 7 November 2002, 02:04
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I was thinking the support teams, I understand that was the common practice when there was a similar program in the 80s. But then again, my knowledge is from books and yours is the real deal. Wasn't trying to correct you.
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Old 7 November 2002, 04:25
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Don't bother replying to that one Reaper, way to far down the line to worry about stuff like that. Anyway, from reading other posts you've made I get the impression, although I couldn't find one that directly confirmed, that you are involved in the pipeline at some level. Whatever the case I did have a question that I feel is legit, however it may not be a good one to post about. Since you seem to be the source of wisdom and patience around here, is it cool to PM you?
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Old 7 November 2002, 12:53
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Since you seem to be the source of wisdom and patience around here, is it cool to PM you?
There's a grand load of gurus here, Reaper just happens to be answering more at the moment (I never thought about it, but it seems your impression indicates that that is the case).

Actually, I think it was a good question. I take it from the response that they are all sent to the A-Teams though, please correct me if that is not right.

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Old 7 November 2002, 23:11
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I can't believe I hadn't noticed Reaper's location till just now, oh well, disregard that question too.
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Old 8 November 2002, 00:07
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Don't bother replying to that one Reaper, way to far down the line to worry about stuff like that. Anyway, from reading other posts you've made I get the impression, although I couldn't find one that directly confirmed, that you are involved in the pipeline at some level. Whatever the case I did have a question that I feel is legit, however it may not be a good one to post about. Since you seem to be the source of wisdom and patience around here, is it cool to PM you?
Why not? Everyone else does.

Please check to ensure that the answer to your question is not easily available elsewhere.

Then fire away!
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Old 8 November 2002, 03:21
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Thanks. PM on the way.
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