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Old 17 October 2016, 09:47
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Law Enforcement Recruiting Numbers Down Nationwide

This was a topic of conversation recently with a friend who is the director of a local police academy. I usually call him throughout the various BLET schools he runs and ask if there are any good candidates in the bunch. My recent phone call to him, was one of panic. We have an unusual number of open slots to fill immediately and a review of my applicant pool does not aid in relieving this burden. A year ago, one opening would generate around 70-90 applications within a given quarter. Now, we are lucky to see maybe five. I did an analysis on the numbers and it shows a decline in applications of nearly 92%. The director is reporting the same. Any given school, especially the full time day school, would attract somewhere between 70-120 applications, and they would normally accept around 30-60 of them. Upon graduation, there would be about 12-30 depending on the quality of candidates. A recent school, only received 16 applications of which, only eight were qualified to sit for the school, based on their background. I am hearing the same reports from surrounding agencies and schools. We are all fighting to death over one qualified applicant if we should find him or her or hear about one.

Which has led to many openings across the state, and nation for law enforcement officers. This is not just your local agencies, this includes state investigative agencies, and even federal agencies. Suddenly, it seems many agencies and organizations are "hiring". What use to be a "retirement" job here to work for the DMV- license and theft bureau, now they suddenly need cops, and have been running a posting on the state portal for over three months. The same with ALE, SHP, et cetera.

I am seeing some articles posted about this, and the problem is even greater impacting cities such as Chicago, New York City, et cetera. Obviously we can see the trend of anti-law enforcement, but the question is... will we recover from this? And how can we recover most expediently? What is the solution? Turnover rates are through the roof suddenly, recruiting numbers are down, no one wants to be a cop anymore. The good ones are leaving, and the older guys are retiring. Which leaves many agencies in a place to promote "all they have left"... which are often not the most suitable applicants for any leadership role. It is a bit concerning, and it makes me ponder on where we are going now.

Some of the recent "applicants" I have reviewed are people that there is no possible way to certify with the state requirements, nor would you want to under any circumstance. What do we do now?

Below, some other coverage about this;

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=96570

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/02...p-climate.html

http://www.redstate.com/kimberly_ros...it-to-be-good/

And the more or less...useless "media" source on their hopes for a free society.... They too have taken notice;

http://www.copblock.org/139498/polic...ee-society-up/
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Old 17 October 2016, 10:06
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No big surprises here. The profession is being actively vilified by politicians, media, special interest groups, and the general public. What do you do now??? Not your problem. Yes, it's your responsibility to figure out, but it's not your problem. The American public gets to own that problem.
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Old 17 October 2016, 10:16
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I wouldn't join today under the circumstances that we are experiencing. My son is doing it and I tried everything under the sun to talk him out of it, but couldn't do so.
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Old 17 October 2016, 10:26
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^Unfortunately your son has a good role model, and a father he looks up to, that he is trying to emulate. Hats off to your son, as he sounds like a man of honor, wanting to make a difference.
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Old 17 October 2016, 10:48
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Tulsa PD is seeing something of a different view, even after the Crutcher shooting.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/crime...40be33ec8.html
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Old 17 October 2016, 13:41
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Same in California generally speaking. Now retired, I teach in the academy to both cadets and to in-service folks for perishable skills (force options).

California LE is under attack both externally with all that we see, and internally, with liberal socialist progressives passing one law after another to address "LE problems". Up on the hit list for review now........law that you cannot fire your weapon until a suspect weapon is actually seen. Essentially saying the suspect gets the first shot.
Next good idea they have is no more weapon lights, since we're having these shootings where cops went to use their weapon mounted light and shot somebody......not........but someone had a good idea so pass a new law. Lastly, the retirement system is under attack again. They want to again reduce retirement benefits, and this time they want to reduce benefits for guys CURRENTLY WORKING and not yet retired. So those benefits you were banking and planning on for retirement....yeah.....those get reduced. This coupled with the already now reduced benefits and age bump up they just did.
So, if you have have a brain, what benefit do you see going into LE now?
Nobody likes you right now, your own govt is against you and will either cut your pay and retirement and/or prosecute you for political reasons, and suspects have green lights to kill you or attack you.
Sounds like great career field huh.
I tell the cadets to think long and hard about what they are getting into
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Old 17 October 2016, 14:22
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Old 17 October 2016, 15:11
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If people are dissuaded from a law enforcement career by the current environment we're probably better off without them. It should be a calling, not just a career. I liken it to people not wanting to join the military because of the current POTUS. Things go in cycles and the pendulum will swing back again. Policing may not be as easy or fun as it was even ten years ago but a bad day of being a cop beats a good day as an accountant. I'm typing this parked on a hill looking down at the school I went to for accounting before dropping out to be a cop. Zero regrets at all and never a second thought.
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Old 17 October 2016, 15:13
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There ya go, lashing out at accountants. Accountantphobe.

My wife's an accountant and I ask her frequently how she stands it.
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There ya go, lashing out at accountants. Accountantphobe.

My wife's an accountant and I ask her frequently how she stands it.
I assume she drinks? On a weekly if not daily basis I think about how miserable I'd have been in that career.
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Old 17 October 2016, 15:24
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She seems to like it, but she also seems to like me, so she's obviously a tad off center.
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I assume she drinks? On a weekly if not daily basis I think about how miserable I'd have been in that career.
.....as you are driving your new Porsche.
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Old 17 October 2016, 15:49
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I know cops are passionate about being cops, but as an outsider I can see how it is a tough sale these days.
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Old 17 October 2016, 16:13
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Saw a new billboard go up advertising for the State Police yesterday (SW Florida). Corrections Officers are always in demand.
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All of the above and we have current LEO's for other agencies who cannot pass our background when they want to get hired, and we really try and cater to the lowest denominator.
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Old 17 October 2016, 18:18
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I was at the NC State Fair Saturday. There were booths recruiting for the Wake County Sheriff's Department and NC Hwy Patrol. Those guys were hands on hips looking around and talking to each other.

I believe the SHP is actively recruiting Spanish speakers, so said a 20yo carpenter waiting to turn 21 and apply...
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A recent school, only received 16 applications of which, only eight were qualified to sit for the school, based on their background.
Out of curiosity, may I ask what aspect of the background process keeps people out?
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Old 17 October 2016, 20:56
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One problem, in many states (such as Indiana) you have to be under 35 years old. There are a lot of mature men, many military veterans and military retirees for instance, between the ages of 35 and 45, that many departments may be missing out on. Men that bring some experience, calmness and maturity into the fold. If the pool of people they can recruit from increases, it may help.

Call me crazy, but a 41 year old military veteran may have some real advantages on the street over that of a 22 year old straight out of college.
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Call me crazy, but a 41 year old military veteran may have some real advantages on the street over that of a 22 year old straight out of college.
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California LE is under attack both externally with all that we see, and internally, with liberal socialist progressives passing one law after another to address "LE problems". Up on the hit list for review now........law that you cannot fire your weapon until a suspect weapon is actually seen. Essentially saying the suspect gets the first shot.....// Lastly, the retirement system is under attack again. They want to again reduce retirement benefits, and this time they want to reduce benefits for guys CURRENTLY WORKING and not yet retired. So those benefits you were banking and planning on for retirement....yeah.....those get reduced. This coupled with the already now reduced benefits and age bump up they just did.
So, if you have have a brain, what benefit do you see going into LE now? Nobody likes you right now, your own govt is against you and will either cut your pay and retirement and/or prosecute you for political reasons, and suspects have green lights to kill you or attack you. Sounds like great career field huh.
I tell the cadets to think long and hard about what they are getting into
Yeah, this sounds insane!!!! I have a buddy of mine out in San Jose who keeps trying to sweet talk the benefits and pay out that way....then I did a cost of living analysis coupled with child care expenses for my two, and well...just to be able to live in a decent place...NOPE...the numbers aren't adding up! I certainly hope your own retirement wasn't effected in all of this. I think about how much I contribute every single month into my own in hopes that one day I can actually rest easy....my husband and I joke we may both be pushing shopping carts despite a potential LE retirement and an 18 series retirement..hmmmmm sounds shitty. I am sure you can also ascertain the "type" of kids coming into your schools now. My buddy complains that the few applicants they get, are your typical millennial's and either lazy, unmotivated, cry babies, scared, afraid, and/or all of the above. So sad, but the same can be said for military and many other professions. I sound like my father now...... ugh.

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What do you do now??? Not your problem. Yes, it's your responsibility to figure out, but it's not your problem. The American public gets to own that problem.
I like you Gavin... LOL.
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