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Old 3 April 2018, 22:27
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I wonder if the caravan will look something like this when it hits the border

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Old 3 April 2018, 23:41
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We should meet them with buses at the border, feed them a nice lunch, and drive them to San Francisco and drop em.
...better yet, drive them all the way to Canada and call that silly TRudeaus bluff
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We can be the middle man - and Canada can treat everyone to double-double at Timmies when they cross over
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Old 4 April 2018, 00:12
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...better yet, drive them all the way to Canada and call that silly TRudeaus bluff
To those fleeing persecution, terror & war, Canadians will welcome you, regardless of your faith. Diversity is our strength #WelcomeToCanada.”

We can be the middle man - and Canada can treat everyone to double-double at Timmies when they cross over
Don't be silly. Canada enforces their immigration laws. They are quite rigid, and will deport folks in a heartbeat. Same as Mexico. And every other country in the Western Hemisphere. Except us.
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Old 4 April 2018, 07:26
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The Mexican government says they're disbanding the caravan. PSF says they're going to continue the march to the US border. This plays nicely in the administration's hands if handled correctly.

We'll know soon enough.
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Don't be silly.Canada enforces their immigration laws. They are quite rigid, and will deport folks in a heartbeat. Same as Mexico. And every other country in the Western Hemisphere. Except us.

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Old 4 April 2018, 15:31
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DHS press conference right now. Looks like NG troops getting activated and headed to the borders.

Besides the National Guard I say take active duty units and rapid delpoy them now to the border, and anywhere ships arrive. Treat gangs like Ms13 as terrorsist and go after them! If not US citizens, it is legal for military to engage is it not?
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Old 4 April 2018, 15:50
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DHS press conference right now. Looks like NG troops getting activated and headed to the borders.

Besides the National Guard I say take active duty units and rapid delpoy them now to the border, and anywhere ships arrive. Treat gangs like Ms13 as terrorsist and go after them! If not US citizens, it is legal for military to engage is it not?
That should fall under the Posse Comitatus Act, shouldn't it?
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Old 4 April 2018, 17:44
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That should fall under the Posse Comitatus Act, shouldn't it?
Outside the border or inside the answer is pretty clear, on the border I'm sure the courts will have a field day with, if they choose. Are we defending or arresting?

Same subject, different administration (2009):

https://www.aclu.org/blog/national-s...osse-comitatus

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I saw some discussion on CNN in the gym this morning regarding the president sending troops to the Mexican border. I found it interesting that while they mentioned that President Obama did the same exact thing, they said it awfully fast. Almost like they wanted credit for acknowledging it, but were hoping the casual viewer might miss it.
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If not US citizens, it is legal for military to engage is it not?
It was legal when Blackjack Pershing did it in 1916-1917; should still be legal now. Just a matter of having the cajones. Pretty sure anything the President does to repel foreign invaders is legal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Villa_Expedition
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So... what's the point of putting troops on the border when you are not giving them ammunition?

Do they still have the sharp pointy things to put on their rifles in case they come across some armed border jumpers?

Anyone else carry some loose rounds in their pockets when placed in a position where you might need them, and not issued them?

The border should be turned into a giant live fire training range...
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So... what's the point of putting troops on the border when you are not giving them ammunition?

Do they still have the sharp pointy things to put on their rifles in case they come across some armed border jumpers?

Anyone else carry some loose rounds in their pockets when placed in a position where you might need them, and not issued them?

The border should be turned into a giant live fire training range...
I always had loose rounds in my pocket.
This invasion should be treated as a clear and present danger and dealt with accordingly.
Mexico IMO is an enemy of the United States and needs to be treated as such.
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Old 5 April 2018, 09:14
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The Texas Governor put the National Guard along the border not too long ago.
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Old 5 April 2018, 09:37
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That should fall under the Posse Comitatus Act, shouldn't it?
Straight off of the ACLU website.......

National Guard, who are not governed by Posse Comitatus unless called to federal service

And according to the Rand site.....
KEY EXCEPTIONS TO THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT
A summary of key exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act follows:
3

• National Guard forces operating under the state authority of Title
32 (i.e., under state rather than federal service) are exempt from
Posse Comitatus Act restrictions.
• Pursuant to the presidential power to quell domestic violence,
federal troops are expressly exempt from the prohibitions of
Posse Comitatus Act, and this exemption applies equally to
active-duty military and federalized National Guard troops.
4

• Aerial photographic and visual search and surveillance by military
personnel were found not to violate the Posse Comitatus
Act.
• Congress created a “drug exception” to the Posse Comitatus Act.
Under recent legislation, the Congress authorized the Secretary
of Defense to make available any military equipment and personnel
necessary for operation of said equipment for law
enforcement purposes. Thus, the Army can provide equipment,

training, and expert military advice to civilian law enforcement
agencies as part of the total effort in the “war on drugs.”
• Use of a member of the Judge Advocate Corps as a special assistant
prosecutor, while retaining his dual role in participating in
the investigation, presentation to the grand jury, and prosecution,
did not violate Posse Comitatus Act.
• The Coast Guard is exempt from Posse Comitatus Act during
peacetime.
• Although brought under the Act through DoD regulation,
described above, the Navy may assist the Coast Guard in pursuit,
search, and seizure of vessels suspected of involvement in drug
trafficking.
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As I understand it the Marine Corps does not fall
Under this? So deploy the Marines to the border?
Also is a gray area as stated not used domestically. Could the border be considered a international border? As long as keep within a presribedcatea say within 5 miles of the border ? I am sure a President Trump has his people and thecAttorney General looking hard at the legality and loopholes.

Does not apply to the Coast Guard. Too bad cannot increase funding for the Coast Guard and create several Coast Guard infranty/border patrol regiments.
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Old 5 April 2018, 09:49
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I always had loose rounds in my pocket.
This invasion should be treated as a clear and present danger and dealt with accordingly.
Mexico IMO is an enemy of the United States and needs to be treated as such.
This. More of a threat , this and the close to 100,000 gang members in Chicago and the heroin/opiade crisis, than Iraq, Syria, Afghan are to our safety, security, freedoms.
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Old 5 April 2018, 09:56
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I also see it as an invasion being aided by foreign governments. Treat it as such.
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Straight off of the ACLU website.......

National Guard, who are not governed by Posse Comitatus unless called to federal service

And according to the Rand site.....
KEY EXCEPTIONS TO THE POSSE COMITATUS ACT
A summary of key exceptions to the Posse Comitatus Act follows:
3

• National Guard forces operating under the state authority of Title
32 (i.e., under state rather than federal service) are exempt from
Posse Comitatus Act restrictions.
• Pursuant to the presidential power to quell domestic violence,
federal troops are expressly exempt from the prohibitions of
Posse Comitatus Act, and this exemption applies equally to
active-duty military and federalized National Guard troops.
4

• Aerial photographic and visual search and surveillance by military
personnel were found not to violate the Posse Comitatus
Act.
• Congress created a “drug exception” to the Posse Comitatus Act.
Under recent legislation, the Congress authorized the Secretary
of Defense to make available any military equipment and personnel
necessary for operation of said equipment for law
enforcement purposes. Thus, the Army can provide equipment,

training, and expert military advice to civilian law enforcement
agencies as part of the total effort in the “war on drugs.”
• Use of a member of the Judge Advocate Corps as a special assistant
prosecutor, while retaining his dual role in participating in
the investigation, presentation to the grand jury, and prosecution,
did not violate Posse Comitatus Act.
• The Coast Guard is exempt from Posse Comitatus Act during
peacetime.
• Although brought under the Act through DoD regulation,
described above, the Navy may assist the Coast Guard in pursuit,
search, and seizure of vessels suspected of involvement in drug
trafficking.
Both Bush and Obama did this. Posse Comitatus is for citizens and domestic issues. The caravan is not comprised of citizens, despite their statements.
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