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Old 5 April 2018, 11:19
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Both Bush and Obama did this. Posse Comitatus is for citizens and domestic issues. The caravan is not comprised of citizens, despite their statements.
Yep. Posse Comitatus is protection for citizens and legal immigrants in the interior of the US. Prevention of foreigners from illegally crossing our borders is a matter of National Security.
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Old 5 April 2018, 11:25
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The liberals I work with are going absolutely nuts over this issue. I find the fact that we have a President willing to safeguard our sovereignty as a nation refreshing.
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Old 5 April 2018, 11:27
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Old 5 April 2018, 11:48
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The liberals I work with are going absolutely nuts over this issue. I find the fact that we have a President willing to safeguard our sovereignty as a nation refreshing.
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Old 5 April 2018, 12:02
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Aside from anything else, isn't one of the duties of the military to secure our national borders? Isn't that one of the most basic reasons we have military forces? I don't understand how someone gets "law enforcement duty" and Posse Comitatus out of "secure our border."
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Old 5 April 2018, 12:04
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Oregon governor (d), says she will refuse to send NG troops to the boarder ....Cali can't be far behind. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

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Old 5 April 2018, 12:10
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Oregon governor (d), says she will refuse to send NG troops to the boarder ....Cali can't be far behind. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

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That’s going to get interesting when/if POTUS punishes the state by withdrawing funds or what every else he can do.
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Old 5 April 2018, 12:11
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refuse to send NG troops to the boarder
Easy enough to fix. Even though the NG falls under the governor, their funding is almost all federal. No prob, don't want to send troops for a federal callup, fine. Figure out how you're going to fund your state militia. And oh, yeah, we'll be along here shortly to pick up all our gear that you're borrowing.
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Old 5 April 2018, 12:48
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President Trump “has an unsecured android and the twitter app” and is willing to use them.
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Old 5 April 2018, 13:16
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Oregon governor (d), says she will refuse to send NG troops to the boarder ....Cali can't be far behind. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

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Well then just redirect the border to which POTUS said he was sending troops, and set up on the Arizona, Nevada and Idaho borders. If Cali, Oregon and Washington want to be Sanctuary states, so be it.
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Old 5 April 2018, 13:22
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I admit to thinking that the border states would provide the national guard troops to patrol the border within the state's boundaries, possibly coordinated by a federal task force or command. I would think it gets legally dicey if non-border states provide troops to border states as that would be a form federal call-up.
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Old 5 April 2018, 13:23
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Well then just redirect the border to which POTUS said he was sending troops, and set up on the Arizona, Nevada and Idaho borders. If Cali, Oregon and Washington want to be Sanctuary states, so be it.
As long as those states secure their borders with the sanctuary states....:)
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Old 5 April 2018, 13:34
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How about asking for paid volunteers of the NG from other states?

The NG and State Militia are two separate entities... So, instead of calling out the NG in those states, call the Militia out, and pay them the NG salary... I'm sure they could find plenty of people... even NG members who actually WANT to help.
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I say;
  • Don't use the NG in the States that claim "Sanctuary Status"
  • Send active duty & reserve troops to sure-up the border along AZ, NM & TX. Additionally, place limited troops (garrisons) along:AZ-CA, NV-CA, ID-OR & ID-WA borders.
  • The Sanctuary States can feel free to use what is left of their NG troops and equipment, after POTUS recalls their federal funding, to try to salvage what is left of their Germany/France/Sweden-post-Syrian-refugee-crisis-like situation.
  • AD & Res Troops are authorized to go "Weapons Free" on any Central American/Mexican gang hoards attempting to siege the castle.
  • When the entire west coast is in flames from the MX to Canadian borders, we'll "Take off and nuke it from orbit."
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Old 5 April 2018, 14:04
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Old 5 April 2018, 14:14
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LOL printed and posted anonymously in the break room.
Awaiting the "triggered response" from the snowflakes. LOL.
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Old 5 April 2018, 14:31
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[QUOTE=19MIKE;1058716339]Oregon governor (d), says she will refuse to send NG troops to the boarder ....Cali can't be far behind. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...an-border.html

Screw them Liberal Governor's. Let POTUS just order their NG Units to Title 10
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Old 5 April 2018, 15:10
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I admit to thinking that the border states would provide the national guard troops to patrol the border within the state's boundaries, possibly coordinated by a federal task force or command. I would think it gets legally dicey if non-border states provide troops to border states as that would be a form federal call-up.
I think POTUS has the power to Federalize and mobilize the NG of any State as he sees fit. I don't think there is anything legally dicey at all. The NG have been working on the southern border for many years. That's the thing about setting precedents. It was just fine when Obama did it because he could do no wrong and they knew it was mainly just for show anyway. Trying to stop Trump in court on this one is now a waste of time. As long as SECDEF is on board and Trump pulls troops from States where the Governor is behind him, this train is leaving the station.
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Old 5 April 2018, 15:15
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Furthermore, his use of Title 32 instead of Title 10 is genius. He is making the Governors pick a side. They will answer for which side they pick in the midterms. Either way he will get the troops he needs, but he will also be able to point out which States (and which party) refused to help secure the border come NOV.
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Old 5 April 2018, 15:16
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A governor cannot prevent a lawful mobilization of the Guard (see 1990 US Supreme Court ruling in Perpich v. Department of Defense, 496 U.S. 334).
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