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Old 23 December 2019, 12:48
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Outing/confirming 10th Grp SF

I have an acquaintance who knows someone claiming to be SF, 10th Group, 1983-85 at Ft. Devins. He is trying to figure out if the guy is legit before making his next move. This guy is making life tough for a for-real vet with some PTSD. I have a name, but no batt/ODA #. My buddy does say, this guy has no idea what Robin Sage is/was.

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Old 23 December 2019, 13:43
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If the guy has no idea about Robin Sage, he is full of sh#t. On the other hand, he could have been an nqp support guy assigned to 10SFG(A).
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Old 23 December 2019, 15:20
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Guys who graduated the Q course and donít know what Robin Sage is: ZERO.
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Old 23 December 2019, 15:47
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When did they change the name to Robin Sage though? Was not it called something different in the ‘60s and ‘70s?

I am guessing your subject was maybe in 10th, but in a support role /MOS.

To make it complicated, throughout the ‘80s and until fall of 1992, Group support personnel wore the Green Beret with full flash same as all SF qualified 18 series. The only thing that differentiated (starting though in around 1984 IIRC was SF qualified had the Special Forces Tab). Fall of 1992, the support non-SF qualified personnel switched to Maroon berets.
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Old 23 December 2019, 19:25
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Bill Senn is on it. At first blush looks fake.
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Old 23 December 2019, 23:27
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Guys who graduated the Q course and don’t know what Robin Sage is: ZERO.

Back when I was in Phase III in 1978 they didn't make a big deal out of calling it Robin Sage. I'm pretty sure all the instructors just called the exercise the Final FTX or somesuch.


We still heard the name Robin Sage though, but we associated it with the SF Officer Course.


And I was stationed at Devens in 3rd Bn from 1978-1985 so PM me.
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Old 24 December 2019, 08:46
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I seem to recall it was called Gobblers Woods in 1970, SFOC. Long time ago, so I could be wrong.
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Old 24 December 2019, 09:08
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Names and dates are a little mushy in the 60's and 70's between the O Couse and Enlisted.

You had Cherokee Trail, Gobbler Woods and Robin Sage but by 1974 when I went through the enlisted course the FTX was Robin Sage. You might have had old timers calling it by the old names.

Ever since the Captain Kate episode and the O & E courses were combined the FTX has been known as Robin Sage.

I wear a hat with the Pineland Flag on it most of the time. Every now and then I get a "Pineland, I've been there."

I'll bet most can't remember what the Pineland Flag looks like.
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Old 24 December 2019, 10:00
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Old 26 December 2019, 14:24
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1. Phase III FTX was exclusively called ROBIN SAGE circa 1980 and later. If he only spent (apparently) one 83-85 enlistment w/ 10th at Devens... he went through RS... and nothing else.

2. Have your friend ask this guy the name of the annual "big overseas UW exercise"... and the specific location he deployed to for participation in same. Should roll off his lips with ease.

3. Ask him what his MOS was back in 1983. If he answers 18-anything, he's probably full of it.

4. Try and get him to conversationally volunteer his ODA number (along with company & battalion) for back in 1983. A very specific numeric for that time frame.
One that us old timers can immediately validate (or call BS on).

Use elicitation technique, not interrogation. If he's real, the correct answers will flow easily & naturally. If not, he'll hem his tale up with contradictory lies.
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