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Old 19 October 2018, 06:17
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Vietnam vet headed to prison for old M14 purchase

https://www.foxnews.com/us/vietnam-w...wsScV4toeCjXA4

Anybody know what to make of this?

I'm a little dubious of his credentials. He claims a POW, yet doesn't show up on any searches, on the POW Network site, or as a VC escapee. I'm still trying to get past that part.

The other part of the story that I haven't found yet is why the ATF got him for a 30+ year old weapon purchase.
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Old 19 October 2018, 06:40
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Anybody know what to make of this?
Unlawful Possession of:

1) Unregistered Machine Gun
2) Firearm with defaced/removed serial number
3) Stolen US Government Property


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The other part of the story that I haven't found yet is why the ATF got him for a 30+ year old weapon purchase.
I know what you mean, but they didn't get him for a 30 years old weapon purchase. They got him for the above three offenses in the present day.
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Old 19 October 2018, 07:10
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I would think he maybe posted something about it on social media and that brought it to the attention of the Feds.
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Old 19 October 2018, 09:52
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I would think he maybe posted something about it on social media and that brought it to the attention of the Feds.
Interesting comment below the article.....

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Old 19 October 2018, 09:56
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3) Stolen US Government Property
That's the only one I see as a crime, unless I continue to misread the Constitution.
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Old 19 October 2018, 10:16
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The other part of the story that I haven't found yet is why the ATF got him for a 30+ year old weapon purchase.
ATF's paperwork is 30+ years behind, according to some national TV newsblather a couple of weeks ago.
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Old 19 October 2018, 11:46
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ATF's paperwork is 30+ years behind, according to some national TV newsblather a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah, I don't know about that.....the data base is/was not 100% accurate might be a better way of saying that. One problem was that for years (especially back in the 90's) ATF employee's were instructed to testify in court that it was, when they knew very well it was not. They got burned numerous times when people who had been charged were able to produce ATF paperwork (Form 4 or whatever) that ATF did not themselves have on file. IIRC there was at least one case where a disgruntled ATF employee had destroyed some records but a lot of it was error inherent to maintaining a large data base going back decades composed entirely of paper.

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That's the only one I see as a crime, unless I continue to misread the Constitution.
It's enough....
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Old 19 October 2018, 11:52
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Actual Court Documents

Always a good idea to go to the actual court documents rather than rely on new broadcasts.

Attached is the actual indictment, as well as a copy of the judgment of the court pursuant to a plea agreement.

Highlights:

1 - He was not found guilty of possession of the fully automatic M14 as alleged in Count One.
Nor was he found guilty of possession of a firearm with an obliterated serial number as alleged in Count Three.
He pled guilty and was found guilty only to the charge embraced in
Count Two: Possession of a Firearm while an Unlawful User of a Controlled Substance*.
Counts One and Three were dismissed in settlement.

*News reports state that he was also discovered to be in possession of cocaine and marihuana.

2 - After his arrest, he was the subject of a detention hearing.
For reasons filed under seal, he was ordered into pretrial confinement.

3 - For reasons filed under seal, he was subjected to a mental examination to see if he was
even competent to stand trial. (He was).

4 - There was only his (self-serving) statement that he bought the M14 "at a gun show 30 years ago."

More likely: He smuggled it back from Viet Nam after grinding out the serial
number so as to make it untraceable.

Interestingly, the court documents refer to the M14 as "unknown manufacturer," while the rest of his weapon
collection -- also seized and forfeited -- is identified by make, model and serial number.
The military full auto M14 was made by Springfield Armory, Winchester, Harrington and Richardson, and Thompson-Ramo-Wooldridge.
So it seems that not only was the serial number obliterated, so was other identification markings such as manufacturer.
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Old 19 October 2018, 13:33
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Old 19 October 2018, 14:17
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A thread over on CMP indicates both Pick & Shackleford
have extensive criminal backgrounds.
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Old 19 October 2018, 16:30
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Count Two: Possession of a Firearm while an Unlawful User of a Controlled Substance*.

*News reports state that he was also discovered to be in possession of cocaine and marijuana.

Being a Vietnam vet means little when you are stupid enough to mix weapons with dope.
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Being a Vietnam vet means little when you are stupid enough to mix weapons with dope.
Yeah, that's where my sympathy and caring ended...
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Old 19 October 2018, 17:41
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I am getting tired of these MSM Articles stating a "Vietnam Vet, A Gulf War Vet" or what ever has been arrested for whatever. A lot of people have served in the military over the years. Not all of them are good people, some are Dickweeds. Thankfully 99% of us are normal, law abiding citizens. Well most of us, excluding all the Yankee fans of course.
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Old 19 October 2018, 17:49
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A thread over on CMP indicates both Pick & Shackleford
have extensive criminal backgrounds.
Link to that thread? I tried searching http://forums.thecmp.org for "Alfred Pick" or Shackleford with no luck.
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Old 19 October 2018, 19:01
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Many wise people on here.

Anybody have thoughts on the POW issue? Methinks he's full of shit.
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IIRC there was at least one case where a disgruntled ATF employee had destroyed some records but a lot of it was error inherent to maintaining a large data base going back decades composed entirely of paper.



It's enough....
That was what the national "Investigative Reporter" lady had her feathers all in a ruffle about. She focused and harped on that particular point of argument so long that you'd think it was the trial of the Rosenbergs, and the reason it stuck in this stroke-be-riddled brain of mine. Wish I could remember the news program...I want to say "60 Minutes", but can't swear to it.
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Being a Vietnam vet means little when you are stupid enough to mix weapons with dope.
Yeah, f@@k him.
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Being a Vietnam vet means little when you are stupid enough to mix weapons with dope.
That's not exactly true. What it means is that you'll make national news, and be used by the verminous shitlib propaganda machine to subvert the rights and privileges of actual Americans. S/F....Ken M
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