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Old 20 June 2019, 09:46
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State of the Gun Industry

So I have been reading how Remington is going to do layoffs and HK is hurting for money. What can be done to increase sales? I don't know what the train of thought is in these boardrooms? IMO if you don't embrace civilian sales a company won't survive.

If I was running Remington I'd set out to De-Fudd it. I would ramp up production of the ACR and the caliber kits and flood the market. And price them to compete with mid-grade ARs. QC would also be pushed hard to get the reputation back. I believe in giving folks what they want.

HK really needs to ramp up production in the US to get around German Arms regulations. I would make MP-7, UMP pistols with braces as I feel they would sell well if the MSRP is kept resonable. Discontinue the HK2000 line and build a USP or HK 10mm. Make a semi-auto G36 as I feel the tac crowd would buy them up. I also feel their piston uppers are way overpriced for what you get. Last but not least bring back the P7.
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Old 20 June 2019, 10:12
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Smith and Wesson stock is way, way down. I bought a bunch before the election and took a serious ass kicking on it.
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Old 20 June 2019, 16:19
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HK can suck a dick, that's Germany's problem.

Remington needs to die too, it was the company of farmer guns, and it's back to it's historical level of quality, only now run by money grubbing whores. It's the "legalized" version of a mafia bust out. They can be an example of how not to do things, pour encourager les autres.

You want a rifle, you used to buy a Winchester; now, there's nice choices like Bergara, Winchester, Nosler, Ruger or any number of custom and semi-custom choices. CZ used to be an excellent choice, but now they've gone to this push feed faggotry, except for their serious line of legacy 550 based stuff.

S&W would be smart(so not likely) to make a quality version of the Keltec 2000 sub-gun thing, in real calibers, ie 10mm and 45ACP. SIG has been making wonderfully innovative stuff, just their QC has been all over the place. That takedown Ruger carbine was 80% there.

Basically I support smaller companies run by gun people, not soulless corporate whores. You want people who are invested in the industry, not soulless, globohomo hacks who will just go on to selling porn or opiates to children or "retire" to LBFM's and coke in Costa Rica. S/F....Ken M
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Old 20 June 2019, 17:09
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Remington keeps trying to make 64 different product lines that nobody wants to buy. Sort of like a restaurant with a 26 page menu....they're not very good or innovative with any of it.

HK can die a slow and painful corporate death for all I care. Their casual disregard for their US customers, to include US LE agencies, has helped sink their US business. My agency and team will never consider them again given their past performance with us.
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Old 20 June 2019, 17:35
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Stick to what you know and are good at (i.e the marlin 336, ruger 10/22, rem700, glock19, etc. have stood the test of time and will continue to sell for decades to come if you will keep quality control at the forefront of your operation).. Instead of trying to sell 300 things, none of which are worth the shit.. pick 10 or less less things.. and do them well..

If you havent already jumped in on the "entry" level bolt rifle market with a GOOD product.. you better fix that shit fast.. ruger americans and savage axis have taken a huge piece of the market space and for good reasons why...

diversify into similar, but different products to help weather the storm of the volatile firearms industry.. firearms always do well when there is a D in the white house and suffer when an R holds the POTUS position..

Olin, the owner of Winchester has been taking a beating on both guns and ammo for a few years citing a both a decline in sales and an increase in materials costs... They have a reasonable solution in place though... they have been making good money with the epoxy, copper, brass, and vinyl companies they own.. (they use products made by these companies in their gun and ammo manufacturing businesses.. but also sell the products to other companies that purchase epoxy, copper, brass, and vinyl for a variety of things)..
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Old 20 June 2019, 17:58
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The older I get the more I like Ruger.

I would love a Savage bolt gun but those Glock-like triggers turn me off.

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Old 20 June 2019, 19:39
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The accu trigger savage makes is a good piece of kit. For a stock trigger they're nice.
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Old 20 June 2019, 19:56
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The accu trigger savage makes is a good piece of kit. For a stock trigger they're nice.
So I have heard but I just don’t like it.

I recently bought a Remington 7LS and the stock trigger will outshoot me and it is still adjustable.

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Old 20 June 2019, 19:58
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RUGER - Yas!

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The older I get the more I like Ruger.


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I LOVE my LCR in 9... Great pocket piece for an old guy, for sure!
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Old 20 June 2019, 19:59
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Everybody has their own preference. I have a 110 and a MK2 both with accu trigger and like them.

I hate to see Remington going to shit. I spent a good part of my life carrying an M24.
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Old 20 June 2019, 20:05
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Everybody has their own preference. I have a 110 and a MK2 both with accu trigger and like them.

I hate to see Remington going to shit. I spent a good part of my life carrying an M24.
I looked hard at the 110 Hog Hunter but ended up with my Model 7.

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Old 20 June 2019, 20:15
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Is the firearms industry in the US suffering a bad case of indigestion?

Like sitting around with your pants unbuttoned on Thanksgiving after Dinner #3?

2008-2016 had a lot of highly politicized panic buying didn't it?
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Old 20 June 2019, 20:17
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For 8 years Americans bought guns that they couldn’t afford, and now the company’s that didn’t prepare for the change are feeling the effects.

Simply put, if you’re going to make garbage don’t make expensive garbage when there is a good market for cheap garbage. If you’re going to make good guns then don’t price yourself above the competition if you don’t have something to set yourself apart from it.

Remington could probably solve some of their issues by not going dealer direct.
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Old 20 June 2019, 20:42
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Stick to what you know and are good at (i.e the marlin 336, ruger 10/22, rem700, glock19, etc. have stood the test of time and will continue to sell for decades to come if you will keep quality control at the forefront of your operation).. Instead of trying to sell 300 things, none of which are worth the shit.. pick 10 or less less things.. and do them well..

If you havent already jumped in on the "entry" level bolt rifle market with a GOOD product.. you better fix that shit fast.. ruger americans and savage axis have taken a huge piece of the market space and for good reasons why...

diversify into similar, but different products to help weather the storm of the volatile firearms industry.. firearms always do well when there is a D in the white house and suffer when an R holds the POTUS position..

Olin, the owner of Winchester has been taking a beating on both guns and ammo for a few years citing a both a decline in sales and an increase in materials costs... They have a reasonable solution in place though... they have been making good money with the epoxy, copper, brass, and vinyl companies they own.. (they use products made by these companies in their gun and ammo manufacturing businesses.. but also sell the products to other companies that purchase epoxy, copper, brass, and vinyl for a variety of things)..
What is amazing is that the basic concept you outline is taught in most business classes, and studied. One of the first corporate companies I worked for gave me a book I was required read on that very subject, exploring the failures of New Coke (don’t recall the name of the book). Yet, so many in corporate leadership complexity forget/ ignore something that is taught and so simple.

Simplify, reduce waste, Quality Control, less diversity, traditions.
Pretty simple concepts.
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Old 20 June 2019, 21:18
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It's just like the .mil in OIF, doing the proven true things is just not "innovative" enough. Better to throw the book away and make shit up on the fly.

It's hubris, and it's exacerbated by grad school cunts with degrees in fake bullshit where there's no hard physical reality. Your marketing bullshit means fuckall when you can't hold a +/- .0005 tolerance on a part. S/F....Ken M
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Old 20 June 2019, 21:25
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Meanwhile, Ruger is kicking some innovative ass. Their line of 1911's are well made at a great price point. new revolvers in 45 ACP and 10mm, not to mention their pistol caliber carbine and affordable precision rifles. I own a few Rugers, but they stick out to me as being able to penetrate existing markets while setting the trend in others.

I also like that many of the manufacturers are moving out of the states that hate their products. I just read that Weatherby is moving to Wyoming.
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I just read that Weatherby is moving to Wyoming.
Yep.. They announced the move about 6-7 months ago...

Grand Opening for their new facility in Wyoming was last week (June 13th)..

Never been a fan of Mr. Weatherby's crazy fast cartridges.. But I've always liked their rifles..

Im half tempted to buy a left handed MKV for no other reason than to tell them in my own way "thank you" for leaving California...

What I found interesting about the whole thing was Weatherby cited their inability to GROW during this down turned market period as being tied to operating in California (high cost of wages, high cost of facilities, high taxes, etc).. and let people know in advance they were moving.. but they didnt know where... but they werent happy being stagnant.. they intend on getting bigger, despite the current firearms climate

California made no attempt to retain them...

The Governor of Wyoming however personally courted Weatherby (made personal phone calls, etc)... and then sent an entourage to Weatherby to further encourage them to make Wyoming their new home..

All for a little business that only maintains about a $5M annual payroll and has about 70 full time employees.. (its not like Wyoming is moving some industrial giant to Sheridan.. Weatherby will impact the local economy.. but not all that much in the grand scheme of things..)..

Weatherby is a great example of a company thats actually doing well during this time period..

They make 5 firearms (lots and lots of variations of those 5 guns.. but everything ultimately is one of five barreled actions)... and outsource the manufacture of 4 of them (Fausti makes their shotguns.. and Howa makes one of their rifles).. They own an ammo company that loads their proprietary cartridges.. and they are known worldwide for their quality and while it is a small group, the league of their dedicated fans/customers are fiercely loyal.. They are willing to make big changes and take big risks (moving a factory that has been successful for more than 30 years at its current location).. and they try new/innovative things all the time.. but quickly drop the things that fail or are unsuccessful.. and push things that are successful incredibly hard...
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Old 21 June 2019, 09:08
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Makes me want to buy a Weatherby now also...... just because.
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Makes me want to buy a Weatherby now also...... just because.
Me too.
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