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Old 5 November 2018, 17:12
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In today's current military, once actually in a unit, are maps and compasses still being used? Or is everyone using hand held GPS devices?
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Old 5 November 2018, 18:53
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In today's current military, once actually in a unit, are maps and compasses still being used? Or is everyone using hand held GPS devices?
Lord God someone say yes.
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Old 5 November 2018, 19:06
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In today's current military, once actually in a unit, are maps and compasses still being used? Or is everyone using hand held GPS devices?
I saw units in Iraq (2008) rolling out the gate with BFT & GPS, but no maps or compasses.
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Old 5 November 2018, 19:13
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Technology is a great thing -- until the batteries die.

Maps and compasses never quit and are always faithful!

Newer isn't always better.
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Old 5 November 2018, 19:22
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In today's current military, once actually in a unit, are maps and compasses still being used? Or is everyone using hand held GPS devices?

My resident grunt says yes and no. Yes, map and compass is still taught. No, it's not emphasized at the unit level.
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Old 5 November 2018, 20:07
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In 1984 when I did PLDC; the 9th ID students land nav skills were weak. They barely practiced land nav. Same thing in the reserves mostly, one unit took it seriously, but they still weren't good and this was before gps..... It was a huge culture shock transitioning from a Ranger Bn to the Army Reserve in 86, they are probably better now with all the recent experience. If I had to guess I would suspect map and compass skills would be worse now because of reliance on GPS. Now that I think about it, what about FDC? Do they still teach plotting boards or is it all computers? God I feel like a dinosaur sometimes...
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Old 5 November 2018, 20:39
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In 1984 when I did PLDC; the 9th ID students land nav skills were weak. They barely practiced land nav. Same thing in the reserves mostly, one unit took it seriously, but they still weren't good and this was before gps..... It was a huge culture shock transitioning from a Ranger Bn to the Army Reserve in 86, they are probably better now with all the recent experience. If I had to guess I would suspect map and compass skills would be worse now because of reliance on GPS. Now that I think about it, what about FDC? Do they still teach plotting boards or is it all computers? God I feel like a dinosaur sometimes...
FDC in my NG unit still used boards late 05.
Iraq 04-05 never saw a compass or map outside the wire. Not all vehicles had blue force tracker. I still have and use the GPS I bought in Mosul. Before deploying we did a joke of a course at Dix.
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Old 5 November 2018, 21:02
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I'm sure I'm not the only one here, but I still carry a Silva compass in my backpack...
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I'm sure I'm not the only one here, but I still carry a Silva compass in my backpack...
MC-2 in mine, and a wrist compass on my rearview mirror to charge in the daylight.
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This obviously isn't the place to discuss details, but it's never a good idea to rely 100% on GPS.

Especially if we get into a serious conflict with a competent adversary.
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When we crossed the border in 2003, I had a full set of maps of the 'operational area'- I still have them...
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When we crossed the border in 2003, I had a full set of maps of the 'operational area'- I still have them...
I used to have a large E&E survival map from ODS of the entire western Iraq & Saudi border. It was waterproof, folded into a US Flag distress signal. It had desert survival tips and lots of other onfo.

That was a keeper. I can't remember where or when I lost it.
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Old 9 November 2018, 08:45
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Never used GPS in my life...never got lost neither, might've been confused for a spell, but I ain't never been lost.
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Had 4th ID install FalconView on my laptop in Iraq - I'd print out strip maps of our route. Never used a compass there, GPS only. Sure as shit needed a map once though - and had one in the form of that PX cloth OIF souvenir map that was surprisingly detailed. We got stuck once on the other side of the river, and had to find a road down to Tikrit - GPS' (at that time) couldn't show you that. I guess now they have actual Topo/MGRS maps on the devices, but I'd never go out without a map.
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Old 9 November 2018, 18:23
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Let's see, things that can go wrong with a map & compass:

1. You're too stupid to use them.
2. The map gets wet and turns into mush.
3. Magnetic poles of the earth suddenly shift.

Things that can go wrong with a GPS:

(list too long to publish here)
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Old 9 November 2018, 22:06
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We were all issued GPS, and everyone also had their own set of maps. I would assume it is still the same.
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Old 10 November 2018, 11:40
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You needed a vehicle to carry all the maps issued for OIF 1- 24 map sheets...
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Old 10 November 2018, 11:48
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Both OIF 3 and 5 we used maps in Baghdad. I didn’t even know GPS was an option at the time.
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Old 10 November 2018, 12:49
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I remember GPS in DS/DS. There was one dude in the battalion entrusted with it and trained in its use. He brought it around once a week or so to confirm the position of various sites. IIRC, it took like 15 minutes to get a reading and was accurate to within 1000 meters or some such.
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Old 10 November 2018, 14:13
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Used wrist compasses and GRGs in Afghanistan all of the time. Always have a back up to GPS.
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