SOCNET

Go Back   SOCNET: The Special Operations Community Network > General Topics > Terrorism and Asymmetric Warfare

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28 February 2002, 07:43
Daredevil Daredevil is offline
Crimson Guard
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,115
US Extremist groups coming under increased scrutiny

U.S. Extremists, Terror Groups Eyed

02/28/2002 6:07 AM EST

By JOHN SOLOMON


WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. authorities are monitoring a growing number of contacts between American extremists and foreign terrorist groups to make sure the two don't begin collaborating on attacks, government officials say.

The officials caution there is no evidence to date that American extremists have been collaborating on any specific operations with European, Mideast or Asian terrorists.

But they said they have evidence that neo-Nazis, white supremacists and Black Muslim factions have reached out to foreign terrorists whose similar hatred for Israel and the U.S. government might make them natural allies.

"On the international terrorism front, we see people here and overseas communicating mainly via the Internet and talking back and forth and communicating that way," Dale Watson, the FBI's assistant director for counterterrorism, said recently.


U.S. concerns about collaboration follows evidence from Europe detailing how al-Qaida, the terror group headed by Osama bin Laden, and terrorists in the Middle East have been able to recruit like-minded citizens from France, Germany, Spain and Italy, officials said.

Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge is aware there are contacts between American extremists and foreigners and backs the FBI's stepped up efforts, a spokesman said Wednesday.

"It certainly is an area he is concerned about, and he is continuing to monitor these contacts," spokesman Gordon Johndroe said.

The FBI is "going to investigate and follow any information that we have on any individuals or groups that may wish to cause harm to the United States, regardless of whether they are domestic or international," he said.

For years, U.S. authorities have monitored efforts by neo-Nazis to stay in touch with like-minded groups in Germany and Western Europe. The FBI says the contacts are expanding beyond that universe.

"We do see some interaction and communications between groups," Watson told the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this month. "With the explosion of the Internet we certainly see white supremacist groups in contact with people in Europe, particularly in Germany."

"We see more and more of that. That is a real growth area, and we'll see more of that," he told senators.

The FBI official also raised concerns that Americans and foreigners might be beginning to use code words to disguise communications. "There are a lot of indicators and key things we look at, as well as the intelligence community, about codes, et cetera," Watson said.

Officials and outside experts also are watching overtures by U.S. extremists to befriend Arab and Asian groups such as Hezbollah in Lebanon, al-Qaida in the Mideast and Europe or abu Sayyaf in the Philippines.

For instance, several anti-Israel Americans planned to meet in Lebanon last year for a major gathering of people who believe the World War II Holocaust did not occur. The Lebanese government forced the organizers, including a California group, to abandon the plans.

A smaller but similar gathering was held later last year in Amman, Jordan.

Such meetings allow Americans to befriend Arab extremists by focusing on a common hatred of Jews, one expert said.

"That kind of event is where you make those contacts where the serious players are coming together. And it was on the Arab's home turf," said Mark Potok, a spokesman for the Southern Poverty Law Center that tracks American extremist groups.

In the aftermath of Sept. 11, some American white supremacists have written pieces aimed at Middle Eastern or Muslim audiences that blame the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon on U.S. politicians and Israel.

"The real reason we have suffered the terrorism of the WTC attack is shockingly simple," former Klu Klux Klan leader David Duke wrote in one such piece. "Too many American politicians have treasonously betrayed the American people by blindly supporting the leading terrorist nation on earth: Israel."

Duke's articles on his Web site are now translated into Arabic and have appeared in Mideast and Muslim publications since Sept. 11.

A leading anti-Jewish advocate in Switzerland who has traveled to the United States was placed by on a U.S. list of foreigners whose assets should be frozen for aiding bin Laden's terrorist network.

Albert Huber, a former Swiss journalist who converted to Islam, has been quoted in news stories as acknowledging he met at Islamic meetings with members of bin Laden's network and visited the United States. But he denies ever aiding terrorism.

U.S. authorities also are watching to ensure extremist black Muslims, some of whom surfaced in earlier terrorism cases, don't become more activist.

One Muslim from New York, Clement Rodney Hampton-el, is serving a lengthy prison sentence for his involvement in a failed plot to blow up the United Nations and other New York landmarks in the 1990s. He previously fought with Muslim rebels in Afghanistan.

One of the groups being watched in the United States is al-Fuqra, a splinter sect of black Muslims that authorities have linked to several crimes over the past decade from Colorado to New York.

A week after the Sept. 11 attacks, authorities charged three alleged al-Fuqra members living in a secluded trailer park near Roanoke, Va., with weapons and ammunition violations.

Al-Fuqra was founded in New York city 20 years ago by a Pakistani cleric. The group "seeks to purify Islam through violence," according to a 1998 State Department report.
__________________
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Thus Spake Zarathustra - Frederich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 1 March 2002, 00:28
Am_Patriot
Visitor
 
Posts: n/a
An interesting article. It prompted me to do a search of the Southern Poverty Law Center.
I went to their link http://www.tolerance.org/ and did my own search of their articles. I used words like,
Right Wing
Left wing
Patriot

The results are eye opening. No Bias here!

No offence intended.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 1 March 2002, 08:08
Daredevil Daredevil is offline
Crimson Guard
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1,115
Not offended in any way.

I'd read a book called "Gathering Storm" talking about Right Wing Militias by Morris Dees, who was one of the founders of the Southern Poverty Law Center. It was very clear where he stood in the spectrum.

One of my favorite quotes was his referring to the Carter administration as an Oasis in a desert.
__________________
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." Thus Spake Zarathustra - Frederich Nietzsche
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 1 March 2002, 10:43
Chris Mac Chris Mac is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A-Co 1/75
Posts: 126
What about right wing fundamentalists here in the US?

I've had a run in or two with people that could fall into this group and they seemed every bit as angry at "Big Brother". To them, the government was just "a pawn in the one world order scheme" so they didn't/shouldn't obey their laws, and they then took it as far as to say anyone with the government was against them and therefore was a traitor to the constitution and God. Now, I doubt they would have the balls or the resources to act out attacks on the scale that those other groups have, however the fact remains that they are still there. Having said all that, to let you know I do have some experience in this area, what are your opinions on the subject of right wing fundamentalists?

Just trying to learn.
__________________
--Chris Mac

Aco 1/75 2004-present
Class 09-04
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 2 March 2002, 04:01
Am_Patriot
Visitor
 
Posts: n/a
Chris, No offense intended, but the phrase"right wing fundamentalists" is so vague that a definition is impossable, not to mention that it is a phrase perpetuated by the media to illicit a negitive conditioned response.
While you may not recognize a move towords a global government, it is a reality. One need only look at the environmental movement for proof. Try your own search of the U.N. and NGO's (non-govermental organizations)
99.9% of NGO's are socialist organizations, like PETA.
PETA is a sponser of ALF and ELF, recently listed by the F.B.I. as the most active domestic terrorist organization, above the actions of the K.K.K. and Arian Nation... I hope this link still works.
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/02/13/arjj021302.htm Or you can read a report here, http://www.fbi.gov/congress/congress01/freeh051001.htm

I guess it comes down to your defination of right wing fundamentalists and If you recognize the terrorist organizations on the left.
Beware of media bias and disinformation.

While there is little proof at this point of a connection between PETA and ELF and ALF, I can offer this, http://www.activistcash.com/
People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals


Black Eye
According to a July 26, 2000, Associated Press story, out of the 2,103 animals that PETA “rescued” during 1999, a whopping 1,325 of them were euthanized (put to sleep) anyway. Considering the organization’s budget during that same year (over $17 million), its cash reserves at the time (over $4 million), and its history of rushing to the defense of even the scrawniest laboratory rat when TV cameras are rolling, it’s shocking that the group would sentence all of those cats and dogs to the needle.

While PETA and the other groups condemn scientific research involving animals (90 percent of which are rodents, according to Americans for Medical Progress, a pro-research foundation), they spend a pittance on animal shelters. Eleven million animals are destroyed annually for lack of facilities. Yet PETA spent less than $3,955 of its $12 million in fiscal year 1995 and $6,100 of its $10.9 million in fiscal 1996 for shelter programs, according to its nonprofit tax forms filed with the IRS.

In contrast, PETA sent $70,500 in 1995 to Rodney Coronado, a convicted arsonist and avowed member of the domestic-terrorist group called the Animal Liberation Front. Coronado served a five-year federal prison sentence for a 1992 animal-rights-related firebombing at Michigan State University.

Unapologetic about its ties to domestic terrorism, PETA also made a cash donation in 2001 to the North American Earth Liberation Front, a group that the FBI has called a domestic terrorist organization.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 2 March 2002, 10:03
Chris Mac Chris Mac is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A-Co 1/75
Posts: 126
Thank You

Ok Patriot, thanks for the information. Like I said in my post I am just trying to learn. Those sites were interesting.
__________________
--Chris Mac

Aco 1/75 2004-present
Class 09-04
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 2 March 2002, 23:22
Am_Patriot
Visitor
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Thank You

Quote:
Originally posted by Chris Mac
Ok Patriot, thanks for the information. Like I said in my post I am just trying to learn. Those sites were interesting.
Any time Chris,
I spent many hours researching the environmental movement, NGO's and the U.N. Via the internet. I have posted most of the results at the forum at NewsMax.com.
Check out these links,

http://www.earthliberationfront.com/main.shtml

http://www.animalliberationfront.com/

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/asp/form.asp and from here,

http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/asp...kw=&NGOID=1258

Who is Earth Justice?

http://www.earthjustice.org/

Guess who was the law firm in the Klamath farmers VS Sucker fish?

http://www.earthjustice.org/accompli...lay.html?ID=81

I can continue to connect the dots anytime you wish on any topic from "Global Warming" to "Gun Control"....
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 3 March 2002, 14:14
Chris Mac Chris Mac is offline
BTDT
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: A-Co 1/75
Posts: 126
Wow

Those sites are definitely... different from my normal everyday readings. The ALF site in particular had some interesting links to say the least. Thanks for the info once again. Wierd to see it from their point of view.
__________________
--Chris Mac

Aco 1/75 2004-present
Class 09-04
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 17 December 2003, 12:07
Spanky Squarepants
Visitor
 
Posts: n/a
I realize this thread is a little old, but I just had the "pleasure" of attending a class that was sponsered by the Gulf States Regional Community Policing Institute. Normally, GSRCPI does interesting programs. This one was billed as a 'hate groups in your area' presentation, so imagine my surprise when an SPLC rep walks out and procedes to lecture on the history of white racism in America. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone else was familiar with the SPLC and most of the audience seemed to accept what was put forth as solemn truth. The SPLC has gotten recognition from FLETC, and is being sponsored by GSRCPI and, unfortunately, this is giving them a veil of legitimacy that they do not deserve.

Spanky
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 19 December 2003, 20:00
1026 1026 is offline
Authorized Personnel
 
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 1,197
Quote:
The SPLC has gotten recognition from FLETC, and is being sponsored by GSRCPI and, unfortunately, this is giving them a veil of legitimacy that they do not deserve
Agreed. Morris Dees and company are just another leftist outfit. They preach gun control and were also involved in the Chief Justice Moore affair. Having them teach cops isn't much different than having the Black Panthers or CAIR do it, IMHO.

Under SPLC's guidelines, damn near everyone on these forums is a right-wing extremist.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 3 March 2004, 19:26
IrishEKU IrishEKU is offline
A general PITA
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Legion Fitness
Posts: 950
Interesting Article on ELF

Belive it or not I just read, yes 2LT's can read, an interesting article in the March issue of MAXIM on the ELF titled, The Summer of Fire. Now I am a supporter of Tread Lightly a Off Highway Vehicle org but these nutcases are quickly becomeing more militant. In the escalation of the fires attributed to the ELF, the FBI is concerned they may go the way of the Army of God and start targeting people, not just Hummer dealer's, logging companies and ski resorts. Others mentioned along with the AOG were, the Creativity Movement, the National Alliance and small wonder Aryan Nations. It will be a happy day when Richard Butler finally goes the way of the do-do, but he's haning on like Castro.

Teaser:
Quote:
APPETITE FOR DESTRUCTION
SUMMER OF FIRE

The Earth Liberation Front isn’t your everyday group of tree-huggers. These ecoterrorists are fueled by fire, and they’re prepared to save the planet, even if that means burning it to the ground. Maxim takes you inside the war being fought in your own backyard.
I recomend the read, informative.

One more thing, the girl pic's are worth the price.:D
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 16 March 2004, 22:27
vermin vermin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Toronto, Canada
Posts: 14
Hello

As this is my first post on SOCNET please excuse me if I break any rules or guidelines. Unintentional if I do...

Having read through this post I would like to add that I have heard various "fringe groups" speak publicly ( before they go off and have a 10,000 person march and do all kinds of damage to property and such)!

Most of the time the spokespeople for these groups have little or no idea what they're talking about. The common element in these "public talks" seems to me to be a vague sense of "destroy and tear down society".

Pure, unadulturated garbage, in my opinion. All they do is damage what is good and moral in this world.

As an aside the groups that I'm talking about specifically are
-OCAP ( The Onario Coalition Against Poverty)
-Elf ( We all know that one)
-Greenpeace
-FAN (The Forest Action Network)
I won't bore you all with the whole list, but there are lots and the members seem to be somewhat interchangeable.

Also when it was my actual job to study these groups in detail I came across adverts for training camps where they teach (anti police and military) tactics specifically designed to allow them to resist police and other law enforcement with greater effect.

I know your terror groups down south are far worse than the majority of what we have in Canada but it is all domestic terrorism and, if left unchecked, will effect us all.

Cheers

Vermin
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Our new posting rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:02.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Socnet.com All Rights Reserved
© SOCNET 1996-2020