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Old 21 July 2018, 20:03
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Do retired Secret Service agents keep their badges?

My cousin took a friend of his to a Cubs game awhile back, he's a retired SS agent who had risen to a higher position, and when they were looking to access a part of Wrigley that was wasn't open until the first pitch (there was a rain delay on) he sought out a security guy at the park and according to my cousin identified himself as a retired agent and flashed a badge, hoping to get a little relief as far as getting to the area with restaurants, kind of a park within a park at Wrigley Field.

Do agents keep their badges, or some form of badge after retirement? I know that in many, if not most, departments that when you're done you give up your badge and, if you've made it to retirement, are issued a retired ID card of some sort.

Can any former agents or those in the know clarify this? Thought it was kind of strange that a retired agent had a badge, stranger still that he would use it for something like gaining access to a restricted area within a baseball park.
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Old 21 July 2018, 20:10
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Badges are meaningless. Lots of folks get to keep their badges or are given "retired" badges. I didn't retire, and I have badges from both of the departments I worked for in a box somewhere. IDs have meaning. Another LEO never says "Lemme see a badge."

If some dumbass security guard fell for a retired badge...well, I guess it works.
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Old 21 July 2018, 20:12
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Yeah, the credentials are what matter.
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Many agencies local, federal, everything, give out retired badges and IDs. They don't convey any actual privileges but pretty much across the board law enforcement guys help each other out when possible. We're all (hopefully) going to be retired some day. A retired ID does give you the right to carry a pistol in all fifty states under LEOSA provided you've maintained your qualifications. Thank you, George W.

Spinner, I was somewhere recently where I had to show credentials in order to get in armed. The guy escorting me said to show my badge, I said anybody can buy a badge.
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Old 22 July 2018, 07:59
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My cousin took a friend of his to a Cubs game awhile back, he's a retired SS agent who had risen to a higher position, and when they were looking to access a part of Wrigley that was wasn't open until the first pitch (there was a rain delay on) he sought out a security guy at the park and according to my cousin identified himself as a retired agent and flashed a badge, hoping to get a little relief as far as getting to the area with restaurants, kind of a park within a park at Wrigley Field.

Do agents keep their badges, or some form of badge after retirement? I know that in many, if not most, departments that when you're done you give up your badge and, if you've made it to retirement, are issued a retired ID card of some sort.

Can any former agents or those in the know clarify this? Thought it was kind of strange that a retired agent had a badge, stranger still that he would use it for something like gaining access to a restricted area within a baseball park.
Title 18 US Code Section 926c
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/926C

If you Google either “HR 218” or Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act you can read the authorization for concealed carry – and thereby the authority to retire identification/issue retired identification/badges. There are other threads on SOCNET dealing with the requirements (and liitations) on concealed carry by retired LEOs and the credentials/badges are all part of that.

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i.e.
https://www.quora.com/When-a-Special...tirement-badge

The retired creds/badge carry no authority and the retiring agent signs a statement agreeing to that.

I've heard that sometimes they help out during a traffic stop
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Old 22 July 2018, 08:53
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I will have my LEOSA ID next week.
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I have a friend who's retired FBI. He has a retiree badge - no creds. He has his old creds on a plaque with "RETIRED" punched through them. Apparently it varies from agency to agency.

For Army CI they will put your B&C (with "RETIRED" punched through the creds) in a shadow case for a couple hundred bucks, but there's no retiree badge.
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Old 22 July 2018, 16:27
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I kept all my badges and was provided a retired commission for LEOSA purposes with my total years of service.
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Old 22 July 2018, 19:07
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Same experience here...I have my old Customs badge in lucite, and its cut in half apparently. My creds are stamped with void through them. I know some folks that carry retired badges, etc.
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The Illinois state police issues a “retired “ badge and I’d card. The card is credit card sized and clearly states the name, ID # and rank of the retiree,withered retired above the rank. Each badge is the same as any ISP 6 point star and states the retired rank and ID # in the center. On the back of the I’d cards is a sticker stating the expiration of the current LEOSAqual, if the retired member qualified within the ISP system. Back to my lane.

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Old 22 July 2018, 20:17
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I've heard that sometimes they help out during a traffic stop
I don't think it helped getting into the new park area that is just outside Wrigley, according to my cousin they ran into a local sports radio personality who the retired agent knew, and that guy put in a good word for them and they were able to get a couple of sandwiches from the restaurant in there.

The town I grew up in celebrated the 100th anniversary of the formation of its PD with a big celebration in which other town's PDs patrolled here so that everybody on the department could attend the dinner and dance they held.

They issued all of the current members and many of those retired officers who are still alive commemorative badges, which kind of looked like the real thing. One of the cops in attendance that night eventually quit the force and was arrested a couple of years later in SoCal for impersonating a cop when he pulled it out at a massage parlor when he tried to get out of paying for the girls "service".

Thought that was pretty funny, and pathetic.

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Spinner, I was somewhere recently where I had to show credentials in order to get in armed. The guy escorting me said to show my badge, I said anybody can buy a badge.
There was this small town a few years back, south suburbs of Chicago, which maintained a park district (I use that term loosely) with one small tract of land not even a half acre, with a dilapidated swing set and a slide. The park district had a police department with over 150 members, all issued both badges and credentials. I know that there were a lot of Cook County badges handed out back in the day, either for straight up money or for political favors to be named later.

Always be wary of somebody flashing a badge, not because they might be a cop, but because they might not.
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Old 22 July 2018, 20:49
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They issued all of the current members and many of those retired officers who are still alive commemorative badges, which kind of looked like the real thing. One of the cops in attendance that night eventually quit the force and was arrested a couple of years later in SoCal for impersonating a cop when he pulled it out at a massage parlor when he tried to get out of paying for the girls "service".


Always be wary of somebody flashing a badge, not because they might be a cop, but because they might not.
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It is a misdemeanor, federal type to possess a fake badge.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/716

Most states also have laws with more severe penalties. Bottom line - the LEOSA provides that they can issue retirees Bs and Cs and those pass muster legal muster under both federal and state law. They grant no LE authority.
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It’s common for retirees to have badges and credentials.
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Old 23 July 2018, 19:53
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It is a misdemeanor, federal type to possess a fake badge.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/716

Most states also have laws with more severe penalties. Bottom line - the LEOSA provides that they can issue retirees Bs and Cs and those pass muster legal muster under both federal and state law. They grant no LE authority.
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Thanks for all the info, it makes more sense now.

In Illinois I'm pretty sure that carrying a fake badge constitutes a felony when used to impersonate a police officer, although just being in possession of one that signifies you are a member of a certain department or agency would also land you in hot water.

I have to figure the former cop with the commemorative badge from our local dept wound up in pretty hot water, California probably has pretty stiff penalties for impersonating a cop.

In his case, he went through an elaborate charade, saying he was at the massage parlor to perform an inspection, writing notes on a clipboard and then at some point telling the people at the parlor he had a sore shoulder and asking for a massage.

It just got weirder from there.
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Old 23 July 2018, 20:00
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In his case, he went through an elaborate charade, saying he was at the massage parlor to perform an inspection, writing notes on a clipboard and then at some point telling the people at the parlor he had a sore shoulder and asking for a massage.
A week ago I was going past one of the local "happy endings" places that were in the press's police blotter reporting, and I pulled in. My wife asked. "what are we doing here?" I asked her to go inside and tell the Mama-san I wasn't a cop. That's when the fight started. fkl
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At retirement from my federal agency, we were given a choice; be given our old creds, stamped retired and the badge with a retired scroll afixed, or have it given to us that way in a shadow box. Mine are in the shadow box, hanging on my wall. We were also issued LEOSA cards, that look kind of like military IDs in color and size. That, I carry in my wallet.
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I’m trying to get the sheriff to retire me. As a reserve deputy, I can retire, no benefits except I would have a retired LEO firearms card.kind of a weird deal here in okla. Also, there is no time limit on how long a person has been a reserve deputy/ officer, very odd. In my case I have a lot of time and experience in LE.
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Iím trying to get the sheriff to retire me. As a reserve deputy, I can retire, no benefits except I would have a retired LEO firearms card.kind of a weird deal here in okla. Also, there is no time limit on how long a person has been a reserve deputy/ officer, very odd. In my case I have a lot of time and experience in LE.
The link previously provided. In order to be covered by LEOSA you must have

(3)
(A) before such separation, served as a law enforcement officer for an aggregate of 10 years or more; or

(B) separated from service with such agency, after completing any applicable probationary period of such service, due to a service-connected disability, as determined by such agency;

It is common to require retiring officers to sign an affidavit with their agency certifying their time as a LEO and certifying that they are not under disqualifying conditions (e.g. no domestic violence injunctions, convictions, etc),
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