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Old 9 July 2018, 22:37
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The GEMBA also only offers 20k tuition assistance for a 160k program.
JEBUS! I hope that came with free nightly massages, all the Pappy you can drink, and use of the school loaner Chiron.

Yale, Harvard, and UPenn are only marginally higher, program dependent.
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Old 16 July 2018, 09:46
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I was on another forum and ran across this about the JWMI program and what makes it different. I may have explained it before, but the difference I see is that they use actual business professionals as instructors, and they listen to the student. This is a blurb from one of the Deans and it is dead on true. They will can a professor if they don't match up with customer service (read student) reviews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDScP7ARzUs
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Old 19 October 2018, 17:31
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I believe mdwest is getting one through Oxford?
Not sure how I missed this thread before...

I picked up my MBA from Anglia Ruskin University in the UK.

It was a reasonably decent program.. Their online platform is pretty well put together, the instructors were reasonably well engaged, etc..

The primary driver for selecting ARU was pretty simple.. The dollar at the time was ridiculously strong against the pound.. ARU is a pretty good sized brick and mortar school that would be considered the equivalent of your "average" state school here in the US.. The difference is the cost was less than 1/2 of what most MBA programs I looked at here in the US cost.. and as little as 1/3 the cost of some I considered.. and the curriculum for their online program was nearly identical to the resident program.

I didnt really care where I got the degree from as long as it was a reputable school that held accreditation that would be recognized in the US.. Overall ARU was a pretty good choice for me.. Besides.. who wouldnt like to be able to claim the same alma mater as Syd Barrett and David Gilmore from Pink Floyd and Billionaire English investor Lord Ashcroft

Fast forward a few years... and I am finishing up a second online masters program with another UK university this month.. Assuming I didnt completely blow my dissertation I should be picking up an MS in Strategic Management from the University of Derby here shortly..

The motivation for selecting a school in the UK remains the same as it was the last time... equivalent quality of education that you will find in most US brick and mortar "state" schools.. for less than 1/2 the cost of the same degree if you were to pick it up from somewhere like the Univ of North Texas or Univ of Memphis, etc..
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Old 19 February 2019, 11:05
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I went through this "online MBA search" just recently. Background on me: work FT, wifey and baby, live in Europe. So, this affects my choices.

My criteria:
  1. Must be solely or mostly online - traveling outside of Norway often while working FT is not possible
  2. Classes must be mostly asynchronous (don't have to attend in real-time)
  3. Cost should be reasonable... I have 2 remaining years of Post-9/11 MGIB and would like that to cover most or all of the program
  4. Well known and accredited by leading organizations (AACSB being most important, but also ideally AMBA and EQUIS)

Initially I found all the normal top names... Indiana (Kelley), UNC (Kenan-Flagler), Carnegie Mellon (Tepper) etc. All of these were either very expensive (I don't want too much out of pocket cost) or required me to attend classes during evenings EST (which is middle of night in my timezone). So, those options were out.

I ended up narrowing down to 3 schools/programs

UMass Amherst Isenberg School of Management, Online MBA, which was my top choice for US online schools, but #3 choice overall for the following reasons (not in order):
1 - You can complete the degree at your own pace (up to 5 years)
2 - It has some decent specializations
3 - They are pretty well known (and AACSB accredited)
4 - Tuition was rather reasonable ($35K or $41K with specialisation)
5 - They have a veterans liaison for MGIB stuff
6 - ZERO in person requirement
7 - GMAT waived with work experience (10yrs, I think)
8 - Downside: No in-person networking opportunity

IE Business School, Executive MBA (in English), program is located in Madrid with a few weeks on campus or in other locations (US, Singapore, Norway, etc.) and this was my #2 for these reasons:
1 - Very well respected school in Europe (and globally)
2 - Ranked #12 in the world for Exec MBA programs by Financial Times and #1 for distance MBA
3 - Who doesn't want to study in Spain?
4 - They do a hell of a job of marketing the school and recruiting
5 - Only 3 weeks required in-person (but there are 3 other "optional" weeks for various classes or networking)
6 - Total length of 15 months
7 - Dedicated veterans office to help with MGIB
7 - Downside: Pricey at $69K

BI Norwegian Business School, Executive MBA (English), located in Oslo. This is the program I ended up choosing, primarily for networking opportunities and because I live here already. Other reasons:
1 - "Triple Crown" accredited (AACSB, AMBA and EQUIS)... only 1% of business schools achieve this.
2 - Very well known and respected locally (and also throughout Europe)
3 - Ranked #29 in the world for Executive MBA programs by Financial Times
4 - Networking opportunities
5 - Total of 8 weeks in-person first year and 6 weeks second year
6 - Offers specializations that are very interesting
7 - Price not terrible at $50K
8 - Downside: the school is approved for MGIB but my program is not (nobody has done it yet) so that puts me in the limbo for back-and-forth between VA and school for program approval. Should be not too hard to fix though. Also, goodbye vacation days.

So, anyway, I found both UMass Isenberg and IE to be top choices for anyone else considering the need for an online MBA that does not require you to be "in class" at specific times, accepted by MGIB and are well known schools.

Hope that helps anyone else considering the same.
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Old 19 February 2019, 11:51
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One thing I found interesting is to see that JW mentioned he would send someone in his family to HBS rather than sending them through his own course.
While NOT an MBA.. Harvard does offer a Masters Degree in Management online through the Harvard Extension School..

Getting in is actually very easy.. just sign up and take a class... pass 3x classes and maintain a 3.0.... and youre in (no GMAT, GRE, etc.. required and no one cares what your undergrad GPA was or where you obtained it..

The cost isnt too crazy either.. the program is 12 classes.. each class is $2750.. so total tuition is $33K...

If I could go back and do it all over again, I think this might have been the path I would have taken..

Now that I have finished up at Univ of Derby, I am thinking about enrolling in one of the Harvard Extension School Graduate Certificate programs..

I figure my firm offers a tuition reimbursement program that exceeds the cost of a grad class through the extension school.. I can take 1 class a year for the next 3 years at no real cost to me.. and add "Haaaavard" to the resume (albeit the "light" version).. so.. why not?
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While NOT an MBA.. Harvard does offer a Masters Degree in Management online through the Harvard Extension School..

Getting in is actually very easy.. just sign up and take a class... pass 3x classes and maintain a 3.0.... and youre in (no GMAT, GRE, etc.. required and no one cares what your undergrad GPA was or where you obtained it..

The cost isnt too crazy either.. the program is 12 classes.. each class is $2750.. so total tuition is $33K...

If I could go back and do it all over again, I think this might have been the path I would have taken..

Now that I have finished up at Univ of Derby, I am thinking about enrolling in one of the Harvard Extension School Graduate Certificate programs..

I figure my firm offers a tuition reimbursement program that exceeds the cost of a grad class through the extension school.. I can take 1 class a year for the next 3 years at no real cost to me.. and add "Haaaavard" to the resume (albeit the "light" version).. so.. why not?
I think Iím going to live your dream. I (my GF really) has dove in and done the leg work (see, Iím already a good CEO) and there are a couple of different routes to completing this Masters. Iím about 2 weeks away from pulling the trigger on it. Thanks for the heads up MDWest.
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Thats very cool... report back after you have taken a class or two and let us know what your thoughts are...

I got very close to pulling the trigger on a class at HES this summer.. but, they have a pretty strict policy on not missing ANY sessions during the summer semester because the schedule is so compressed (just 7 weeks per class).. I got in touch with the professor thats teaching the class I wanted to take, and she told me she could be flexible with me if I let her know in advance what days I would be missing.. but advised that the schools answer to my question ("can I miss a class or two?") was a pretty firm "NO!".. so she would breaking the rules for me if she allowed me to make up work or do work in advance..

I know I'll be OCONUS for about 10 days right in the middle of when the class is being taught and where Im going, internet connectivity will be limited...

So I opted to do something else this summer...But I am still very interested.. and may enroll in a class in the fall semester or spring of 2020...
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While NOT an MBA.. Harvard does offer a Masters Degree in Management online through the Harvard Extension School......."Haaaavard" to the resume (albeit the "light" version).. so.. why not?

"Harvard" and "Harvard Extension School" are completely differently viewed and it's considered a massive omission to say you went to the first, instead of accurately to the second.

There's plenty of literature to back that up.

Interestingly to me, it's the Harvard boatshoe and popped salmon polo graduates who insist on it. Since their parents paid for them to get it, I mean "attend", it makes sense.

The HES alum have been pissed off about this for years. In turn they're trying to establish the brand of HES as being MORE prestigious since they tend to be working adults, with families, who already have jobs.

All this to say - if you go to HES, put that on your LinkedIn and resume.
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"Harvard" and "Harvard Extension School" are completely differently viewed and it's considered a massive omission to say you went to the first, instead of accurately to the second.
I've seen a few people try to do the same with UMUC. They'll tell you they went to University of Maryland, and you of course assume they mean UM College Park (the flagship UM school). But when you dig down, you find out they went to UMUC. Nothing wrong with UMUC, but it isn't UM College Park.
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All this to say - if you go to HES, put that on your LinkedIn and resume.
Completely agree.. Lots of controversy surrounding this..

Far better to just state what the degree is and which college the degree was granted from (HES)...

Fellow Harvard grads MAY thumb their nose (some do.. others dont from what I can tell)... but those that are not Harvard grads likely dont care.. HES is one of the 12 degree granting colleges at Harvard University.. Its just not Harvard Business School, Harvard College, Harvard Kennedy School, etc..
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Completely agree.. Lots of controversy surrounding this..

Far better to just state what the degree is and which college the degree was granted from (HES)...

Fellow Harvard grads MAY thumb their nose (some do.. others dont from what I can tell)... but those that are not Harvard grads likely dont care.. HES is one of the 12 degree granting colleges at Harvard University.. Its just not Harvard Business School, Harvard College, Harvard Kennedy School, etc..
I've been eyeing that program for a year now. Of course I need still finish my final three for the undergrad (anyone up for an A&P class?) and then work my first three class to be admitted into the HES Management program...or do CORe...so that'll hopefully be sometime in the fall/winter of this year.

The only thing I'm not stoked on is the time I'll need to spend in Cambridge. I assume that it'll be worth it though in terms of connecting with classmates.

But $30k for a HES Graduate degree is an incredible deal.
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Summer semester down at HES. A few observations:

-the cost is... slightly more than advertised. Summer school was about $3200 a class. Add to that I’m no math genius so I’ll have to take a refresher Econ class so that adds time and money.

-the instruction is pretty damn good.

-according to my class mates one of the classes I took was one of the hardest they said they’ve been in and I’m pretty sure I got an A in it.

-I also took accounting and it kicked my ass. Taking two classes during the summer that both required a lot of work was a lesson learned. For accounting specifically by the time I finished a module it was time to move to the next (1 a week), so there was no time to ingest the info. Had I just done that class or taken it over a traditional semester I’d have been fine. If I don’t get a B in that class then I have to either switch programs or there may be another class I can take, TBD until final grades are posted.

So after one semester I think the instruction is great and I’ve learned a lot in just one class alone. I’m paying out of pocket until I figure out the VA. So if anyone is interested expect the price to increase if you’re deficient in any subjects you may need revisit, but IME, for me personally, it’s a great learning environment.
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My wife is a Type AAA personality who refuses to cater to slackers. Thus, she let those teammates know if they didn't carry their weight, which led to some interesting situations.
My wife is the same way. She despised being put into teams for her Bachelors for Marketing. When she went to Kent State online for her Masters in PR, she chose her teams.. Graduated 4.0 GPA
She uses her Marketing and PR for Real Estate now... She relocates Mercedes Benz people from Germany to SC for approximately 3 year tours into Executive rental homes, property manager and buys and sells homes as a Realtor. Her networking is key to her success..
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I also took accounting and it kicked my ass. Taking two classes during the summer that both required a lot of work was a lesson learned. For accounting specifically by the time I finished a module it was time to move to the next (1 a week), so there was no time to ingest the info. Had I just done that class or taken it over a traditional semester Iíd have been fine. If I donít get a B in that class then I have to either switch programs or there may be another class I can take, TBD until final grades are posted.
Accounting is one of those subjects where you either get it or you don't. I'm on the don't get it side and I've held the CFE cert since 2005. Whenever one my cases is heavy on the accounting, I bring in the experts.
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It's funny, I'm terrible at math and hate it but accounting was pretty easy for me. It just makes sense.
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Summer semester down at HES.
Awesome!

I initially enrolled in a "Business Communications" class at HES this summer, but ended up taking a similar class through eCornell instead (would have preferred HES, but couldnt make the schedule work with my summer work related travel)..

RE the accounting class... Im married to a senior executive level accountant thats been wearing green eyeshades and bean counting for almost 30 years.. She's coached, counseled, and trained me more hours than I can remember... and I still barely passed my accounting class in B school..

All I have retained after all of these years is.. debits on the left.. credits on the right..
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HM, Congrats! And good luck on the remainder.

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I also took accounting and it kicked my ass.
D/C ADE LER This guy is a bit of a weirdo, but he sure makes accounting easy to understand. Watch through his series and you'll be set. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pTU4gwmcMs

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Iím paying out of pocket until I figure out the VA...
I went through many calls to get my program approved properly and everything sorted, but it was well worth it. Got the full length of course covered, plus full BAH. Before, my school was approved but not the program since nobody had done it. Call the 800 number and chat with the folks... take notes, do exactly as they say and you'll be golden.

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My take way from her experience was to pick your teammates, if you have a choice, very carefully. My wife is a Type AAA personality who refuses to cater to slackers. Thus, she let those teammates know if they didn't carry their weight, which led to some interesting situations.
^ This x1000. We don't get to pick teammates, except for consultancy. I was hard on the team during projects and folks thought I was a big meanie. Cost me a letter grade in the peer evals even though I did the majority of the work. I was furious... but see that it is a direct reflection of local work culture. "Don't hurt anyones feelings".
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Accounting is one of those subjects where you either get it or you don't. I'm on the don't get it side and I've held the CFE cert since 2005. Whenever one my cases is heavy on the accounting, I bring in the experts.
MBA Accounting isn't too bad if you can manage the basics of Excel, and know how to input cell formulas. I didn't know excel the first time around.
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Welp, even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days, I got a B in accounting and can continue on I really didnít think of pull that one off. I should go buy a lottery ticket.
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Welp, even the sun shines on a dogs ass some days, I got a B in accounting and can continue on I really didnít think of pull that one off. I should go buy a lottery ticket.
Congratulations!
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