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Old 24 October 2011, 19:43
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HSI 1811 Lateral Job Announcement

All,

Homeland Security Investigations is looking to steal some current 1811's from other agencies. If you are a current 1811 (Criminal Investigator) with another agency and looking to make a switch the announcement is at:

http://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/301400600

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Old 24 October 2011, 22:56
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Old 24 October 2011, 23:49
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Best line I ever heard on the job, "We already have an alarm company..."

second best, "You go ask him...what the hell are ICE POLICE...You go ask him...not me..." (walked in to a store to buy water after a warrant with my raid shirt on...oops)
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Old 25 October 2011, 10:18
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Old 26 October 2011, 12:18
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An HSI Agent flies with me a lot. New badges are hideous.
They're ten times better than our original ICE badges which just said "ICE" across the top. I got tired of explaining why "Immigration" was involved in child pornography investigations.

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Old 3 January 2012, 10:44
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You guys must be working in handcuffs (metaphorically), it must be frustrating?. Over 6,000 Agents, I can't even imagine that. And Nevada is so overrun you can't effectively live there without speaking Spanish. When I was a Customs Special Agent, though we didn't directly do much with illegal aliens (dare I call them MOD EDIT), I don't even remember having more than 1,500-1,600 Customs Agents. Border Patrol about 1,200-1,400 during my tenure. Where might one find images of your badges (including the original), out of curiosity?

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Old 3 January 2012, 10:54
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When I was a Customs Special Agent, though we didn't directly do much with illegal aliens (dare I call them MOD EDIT.)
Huh?
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Old 3 January 2012, 11:18
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Huh?
As in MOD EDIT. Not a good word to use, generally speaking.
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Old 3 January 2012, 11:49
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As in MOD EDIT. Not a good word to use, generally speaking.
I understand both the letter and spirit of what he meant...especially within the context of his career path
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As in MOD EDIT. Not a good word to use, generally speaking.

Heh, My thoughts exactly.
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Old 3 January 2012, 13:27
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Just an FYI

"Wets" is not derogatory. The "illegal immigrants" refer to themselves as "Mojados" which in English translates to "wets". And yes that is how they are referred to everyday on the US/MEX border. Nobody down there is offended so you shouldnt be either.
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Old 3 January 2012, 13:37
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Just an FYI

"Wets" is not derogatory. The "illegal immigrants" refer to themselves as "Mojados" which in English translates to "wets". And yes that is how they are referred to everyday on the US/MEX border. Nobody down there is offended so you shouldnt be either.
Good to know, thank you for the clarification.
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Old 3 January 2012, 13:56
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The last thing that I could ever be accused of is political correctness, but if anyone ever referred to me as a "wet back" they would be picking up their eyeballs with broken fingers.

I do not have Mod powers in this forum or I would edit the term out of the post. Racial terminology of this kind should have no place here.

ETA: Surprisingly enough, I DO have Mod powers in this forum. I have cleaned up the posts without presuming to step on an Admin's posts. He is entitled to his opinions. As am I.
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Old 3 January 2012, 14:04
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The last thing that I could ever be accused of is political correctness, but if anyone ever referred to me as a "wet back" they would be picking up their eyeballs with broken fingers.

I do not have Mod powers in this forum or I would edit the term out of the post. Racial terminology of this kind should have no place here.


To clarify, Im in no way advocating the use of the term. Just explaining to those who havent BTDT on the US/MEX border that it is a commonly used term by the illegals themselves as well as USBP/USCS etc...nobody down there finds it offensive that I ever saw in four years. If you still find the term offensive in that context I will edit it out.

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Old 3 January 2012, 14:33
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In all seriousness, I think that the term is part of the local law enforcement culture down there, and I also think that the illegals themselves have historically used the term as slang. If I had to guess, I would bet that the LEO's picked it up from the illegals.

For Mexicans, however, it is a term that is racist, it is classist, and no Mexican of means would ever describe himself that way, or permit others to refer to himself in that fashion. I say this, of course, as a Spaniard, who by dint of European blood could never be described as a Mexican, nor as mojado.

But this is the thing. Anyone who has spent any time in cultures South of the border realizes that they are profoundly racist. "Indios" and "negros" carry a burden that the Spanish elites do not.

I guess that my point is that the term is racist, at least to a particular population. Whether we should care about their feelings is another question, as is whether racially loaded terminology has any place here.

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Old 3 January 2012, 14:42
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In all seriousness, I think that the term is part of the local law enforcement culture down there, and I also think that the illegals themselves have historically used the term as slang. If I had to guess, I would bet that the LEO's picked it up from the illegals.


Exactly. When I was in the USBP I was referred to as a Gringo by illegals more times than I can count. I never took offense. They never took offense to "Mojado". 99% of the time the relationship was very friendly. Most of us spent quite a bit of money taking the "mojados" through a drive-thru and buying them food because they hadnt eaten in a couple of days after their own people stole all of their money.

But yeah, in another time and place I agree that it would probably be taken as a racial comment. Point taken. I will delete all of this if you say the word.
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Old 3 January 2012, 14:50
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Sharky,

If I may add: there is a difference in connotation between "mojado" and "wetbacks" from the lingustic perspective.

As you have correctly stated, mojado is a slang word that was historically introduced by the aliens (specifically the ones who entered via Rio Grande). Illegal aliens will not take offense at this word because it is their term that they use to describe themselves.

ETA: "Wetbacks" did not have a pejorative meaning initially (otherwise I doubt that Operation Wetback would be named as such), however these days the word seems to have gained a negative connotation.
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No need. But thanks for offering.

I think that it is enough if those who may not have a deeper appreciation for the way that societies function in Latin America, including Mexico, gain a little more insight.

We are talking about societies where your bank balance is not as important as your last name, your skin tone, and your family tree.

You will see blondes in Buenos Aires that look German, and actually are, in terms of racial extraction. But then they open their mouths and the machine gun Spanish staccato erupts. I have seen girls in Uruguay that were Italian for all intents and purposes, except that they were not born in Europe.

Look at the Miss Universe competitors from Latin America. They are of European extraction. They just happen to come from wealthy families in the highest echelons of society in their respective countries. I cannot remember ever seeing a Miss Universe or Miss World competitor from Latin America that was predominately Indian or African ("Indian" in a Latin American context refers to the original inhabitants of the continent prior to the arrival of the Conquistadors).

When illegals call themselves mojados, it is tantamount to an admission that they are poor, that they are not from the social elites, and that they are, in a sense, mocking both themselves and their racist societies. What else can they do about these matters but employ irony?

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Old 3 January 2012, 15:12
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Sharky,

If I may add: there is a difference in connotation between "mojado" and "wetbacks" from the lingustic perspective.

As you have correctly stated, mojado is a slang word that was historically introduced by the aliens (specifically the ones who entered via Rio Grande). Illegal aliens will not take offense at this word because it is their term that they use to describe themselves.

ETA: "Wetbacks" did not have a pejorative meaning initially (otherwise I doubt that Operation Wetback would be named as such), however these days the word seems to have gained a negative connotation.


True. And I was only referring to the terms "wet(s)" and "mojado(s)" in this instance. The term "wetback", IMHO, is not the same thing and when used by anyone is offensive by definition.
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