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Old 28 March 2020, 20:04
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Italy surpasses 10K dead.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/28/europe/italy-coronavirus-cases-surpass-china-intl/index.html
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Old 28 March 2020, 20:52
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CA had some ventilators, etc., just in case. Then shut down the program.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators
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Old 28 March 2020, 20:52
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Well, there's at least one who's ready to sue.

"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that government-mandated travel restrictions on his state would be a “federal act of war.”

He also said he is willing to sue Rhode Island for implementing a policy requiring visitors from New York to self-quarantine for 14 days in order to slow the spread of coronavirus...."

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Hey, I got no problem with my folks spreading it around.
How many times have we seen liberal states (NY, IL, OR, CA, WA...) ban official state gov't travel to states that have enacted pro-life laws?? I know it's apple/oranges argument but it is a ban. As far as MA, RI, or others denying entry and/or escorting NY'ers out of state that is f'ing funny. I'll sit back and watch the liberals destroy themselves. Imagine the conversation between the MSP and NH Highway Patrol:

In my Boston accent
MSP: Errr ahhh errr Hampsha Patrol, I got 3 cahs from NY that I'm escorting in my MRAP, you pricks need to come to the border and pick up these fucks!
NHP: You bastids, that shit is on you, you keep 'em or send them back to RI.
MSP: Errah, you fuck. Maybe yah didn't he-ah me, pick these pricks up on State Rt 3, south of Nashua in 30. If you're not there, they're getting Bulgered.
NHP: Ok, just don't hurt anyone.
MSP: Errrah, hurry up you prick.

Border exchange takes place.......................

NHP: Thanks, you guys really suck.
MSP: Fuck you, you prick. What a pissah huh??? Errah, how you like them apples!!!!!
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Old 28 March 2020, 20:52
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After we blow the claymores on the L shaped ambush, and assault through, none of them dirty New Yorkers will have any legal standing for any activist judges to do jack squat. S/F...Ken M
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Old 28 March 2020, 20:56
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CA had some ventilators, etc., just in case. Then shut down the program.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators
Dont worry, GM is coming to the rescue with new ventilators. And after a few recalls for over heating and such, they will be good to go.
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Old 28 March 2020, 21:16
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CA had some ventilators, etc., just in case. Then shut down the program.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators
Wow, what an "Ounce of Prevention is Worth A Pound of Cure" story. I recall those days somewhat.

Good write-up by the LA Times.
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Old 28 March 2020, 21:26
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I quit taking this seriously the moment we were informed that my 2 year old would most likely never receive treatment should things get to a critical point, due to having a neuromuscular disorder. Healthy kids come first I guess. So much for that "oath" huh. I'm sure those that write these policies have a good reason to exclude my child from receiving ventilation care. I would really love to hear the explanation. When I raised my right hand to serve, I swore to protect all Americans, not just those that are born healthy.. SMH
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Old 28 March 2020, 21:33
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good medical information at https://discover.dtic.mil/coronavirus/
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Old 28 March 2020, 21:45
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I reached out to him last night. Aside from being pissed front the insinuation that you know more than he does (ie, a physician), he said they didn't want to to discharge him, and did so conditionally. He has a pulse ox which is hovering around 90, dips to mod/upper 80s on exertion.

He also said the flu can have a respiratory component, it almost never has an oxygenation/ventilation mismatch unless you have the flu and pneumonia, and then it's from the pneumonia, not the flu.
I think it's understandable that he might be miffed at the insinuation, (which wasn't intended at all), but I also think it's a fair question to ask, as opposed to blindly believing everything that comes from the medical arena.

After all, don't they kill more people than guns? (That's sarcasm right there everyone!)

So now I wonder, in regards to illnesses that cause "weakness"...what is the cause? Is it always respiratory? Is it always muscular fatigue? Is it a mix?

And how does the causality of weakness in 'flu victims compare to COVID-19 victims?
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Old 28 March 2020, 21:45
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CA had some ventilators, etc., just in case. Then shut down the program.

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...ls-ventilators
Meh, Moonbeam redirected those funds to illegal aliens and his ridiculous hi-speed train to nowhere.
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Old 28 March 2020, 22:13
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I quit taking this seriously the moment we were informed that my 2 year old would most likely never receive treatment should things get to a critical point, due to having a neuromuscular disorder. Healthy kids come first I guess. So much for that "oath" huh. I'm sure those that write these policies have a good reason to exclude my child from receiving ventilation care. I would really love to hear the explanation. When I raised my right hand to serve, I swore to protect all Americans, not just those that are born healthy.. SMH
https://www.npr.org/2020/03/28/82325...vM_I5mrtsKf2WQ
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Old 28 March 2020, 22:24
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He also said he is willing to sue Rhode Island for implementing a policy requiring visitors from New York to self-quarantine for 14 days in order to slow the spread of coronavirus...."
Hawaii is also imposing a 14-quarantine on arriving passengers.
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Old 28 March 2020, 22:29
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I quit taking this seriously the moment we were informed that my 2 year old would most likely never receive treatment should things get to a critical point, due to having a neuromuscular disorder. Healthy kids come first I guess. So much for that "oath" huh. I'm sure those that write these policies have a good reason to exclude my child from receiving ventilation care. I would really love to hear the explanation. When I raised my right hand to serve, I swore to protect all Americans, not just those that are born healthy.. SMH
You are a good father. An honorable man. Keep you and your son in my prayers. Wish I could do more.
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Old 28 March 2020, 22:54
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Call me an ole faithful, but this is why I put some inferred substantiation behind a number of the US gov containment actions.

Not only do my own interpretations and projections align with the potential threat identified by others in my field; but I am also going to ASSume that we have assets on the ground who are feeding reliable info from PRC and other countries to the national intelligence apparatus.

I just don't see the massive recalls and activations of military reserves combined with widespread NG deployment being plausible without some sort of backing.

...Now waiting on history lesson from Poly about our faulty/questionable CBRNE intel used as leverage for OIF...
I think this is something that is being overlooked. China might be lying about their numbers and maybe we know better. It's not like we can publicly acknowledge it and/or call them out though...sources/methods and all that.
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Old 28 March 2020, 23:18
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I KNOW but I had to post the cartoon as it is getting to the point 1882 post on the subject


That would be great for the Meme Thread
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Old 28 March 2020, 23:21
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"New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo said Saturday that government-mandated travel restrictions on his state would be a “federal act of war.”
Cuomo says he has a crisis beyond the capability of NY to handle, and then cries when POTUS says he'll take charge.....
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Old 28 March 2020, 23:25
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Cuomo is all about states' rights all of a sudden.
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Old 29 March 2020, 00:29
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Can't wait to read about all the lawsuits when this is over.
It feels like the planet has lost their mind. Quite upsetting to see so many so willing to trade their freedom for "safety". In quotes because even with everything done there is still no guarantee.
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Old 29 March 2020, 06:35
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So when is it supposed to get bad? This thing isn't even tickling "OMG Swine Flu!!!!!" 's ball sack yet.

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Just about 56% of Americans consider the coronavirus a "real threat," representing a drop of 10 percentage points from last month. At the same time, a growing number of Americans think the coronavirus is being "blown out of proportion."

The differences between political parties are stark, with a majority of Republicans saying it is overblown and the vast majority of Democrats considering it a legitimate threat.
Not surprised that the Leftists are crying "we're all gonna die" - 'cuz "AR-15's"...
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Old 29 March 2020, 06:56
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In case someone thinks a lawsuit will go anywhere.
Federal Law
Isolation and Quarantine
Isolation and quarantine help protect the public by preventing exposure to people who have or may have a contagious disease.

Isolation separates sick people with a quarantinable communicable disease from people who are not sick.
Quarantine separates and restricts the movement of people who were exposed to a contagious disease to see if they become sick.

In addition to serving as medical functions, isolation and quarantine also are “police power” functions, derived from the right of the state to take action affecting individuals for the benefit of society.
Federal Law
The federal government derives its authority for isolation and quarantine from the Commerce Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

Under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), the U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to take measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states.

The authority for carrying out these functions on a daily basis has been delegated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
CDC’s Role
Under 42 Code of Federal Regulations parts 70 and 71, CDC is authorized to detain, medically examine, and release persons arriving into the United States and traveling between states who are suspected of carrying these communicable diseases.

As part of its federal authority, CDC routinely monitors persons arriving at U.S. land border crossings and passengers and crew arriving at U.S. ports of entry for signs or symptoms of communicable diseases.

When alerted about an ill passenger or crew member by the pilot of a plane or captain of a ship, CDC may detain passengers and crew as necessary to investigate whether the cause of the illness on board is a communicable disease.
State, Local, and Tribal Law
States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.

These laws can vary from state to state and can be specific or broad. In some states, local health authorities implement state law. In most states, breaking a quarantine order is a criminal misdemeanor.

Tribes also have police power authority to take actions that promote the health, safety, and welfare of their own tribal members. Tribal health authorities may enforce their own isolation and quarantine laws within tribal lands, if such laws exist.
Who Is in Charge
The federal government

Acts to prevent the entry of communicable diseases into the United States. Quarantine and isolation may be used at U.S. ports of entry.
Is authorized to take measures to prevent the spread of communicable diseases between states.
May accept state and local assistance in enforcing federal quarantine.
May assist state and local authorities in preventing the spread of communicable diseases.

State, local, and tribal authorities

Enforce isolation and quarantine within their borders.

It is possible for federal, state, local, and tribal health authorities to have and use all at the same time separate but coexisting legal quarantine power in certain events. In the event of a conflict, federal law is supreme.
Enforcement
If a quarantinable disease is suspected or identified, CDC may issue a federal isolation or quarantine order.

Public health authorities at the federal, state, local, and tribal levels may sometimes seek help from police or other law enforcement officers to enforce a public health order.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection and U.S. Coast Guard officers are authorized to help enforce federal quarantine orders.

Breaking a federal quarantine order is punishable by fines and imprisonment.

Federal law allows the conditional release of persons from quarantine if they comply with medical monitoring and surveillance.

In the rare event that a federal order is issued by CDC, those individuals will be provided with an order for quarantine or isolation. An example of a Quarantine Order for Novel Coronavirus (print-only) pdf icon[PDF – 5 pages] is provided. This document outlines the rationale of the federal order as well as information on where the individual will be located, quarantine requirements including the length of the order, CDC’s legal authority, and information outlining what the individual can expect while under federal order.
Federal Quarantine Rarely used
Large-scale isolation and quarantine was last enforced during the influenza (“Spanish Flu”) pandemic in 1918–1919. In recent history, only a few public health events have prompted federal isolation or quarantine orders.
Specific Laws and Regulations Applying to Quarantine and Isolation
Visit the Specific Laws and Regulations Governing the Control of Communicable Diseases page.
Guidance for Importation of Human Remains into the United States for Interment
Visit the Guidance for Importation of Human Remains into the United States for Interment or Subsequent Cremation page.

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/about...isolation.html
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