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Old 7 March 2018, 02:38
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I've been contemplating attending a course here, but just wanted some feedback from you guys with possible experience with them. I spent a few years doing the WPS thing (among other stuff). However, I figured I might need some stateside EP training to be more "hirable"... thanks in advance..
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Old 7 March 2018, 02:49
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Old 7 March 2018, 05:43
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Old 7 March 2018, 08:10
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I would get whatever licenses your state requires first, and then gauge the market before judging if you need the certs from something like ESI.
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Old 7 March 2018, 11:04
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ESI is a reputable company with a long track record. They are one of the "big three" EP courses. The others being Executive Protection Institute (EPI) in Virginia and R.L.Oatman & Associates in Maryland. If you plan on working in NOVA, I suggest doing EPI's course because it is VA DCJS approved. If you are mainly looking to do corporate work, Oatman seems to be the preferred provider. If neither of these situations apply and ESI's schedule matches yours, go for it.

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Old 8 March 2018, 19:34
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I would bear in mind that the founder/owner of ESI spent his earlier adult years as a violent Marxist revolutionary, fighting against capitalist governments in Latin America in the 60s and (I think) 70s. He has since changed his tune, but I would choose to spend my dollar elsewhere.

Since you have your hard skills training via WPS, I would look towards Oatman or EPI.
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Staff bios are weak, IMHO.
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Staff bios are weak, IMHO.
I read through them, and thought they were...odd. What's that one guy's specialty? Dangerology? Dangerosity?
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I read through them, and thought they were...odd. What's that one guy's specialty? Dangerology? Dangerosity?
Ooh is that like Killology?
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Ooh is that like Killology?
I'm not sure, but I know some guys who will come and lecture us, for a price!!!
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Is it like shovelology?
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Old 8 March 2018, 22:44
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I believe one of our BTDT members here used to be on the cadre at ESI (may still be?) and could probably provide some additional information..

The critical question has already been asked by @Hoepoe

What does the OP hope to achieve?

Are you actually wanting to work in the EP field? Continue down the path of PSD? Move into corporate security? What companies/organizations are being targeted for employment? etc..etc..
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Oatman was the director, at one time, of where I work now. From those that are still around when he was there, they said there is nothing that any one of those schools can teach you that you don't already know or wont learn on a detail. I had only worked PSD before, thus the typical WPS background, no special school or certification. It really depends on how well you fit into the culture and with the client. We have had some really experienced and vetted guys not cut it because they could not adjust to the corporate life and politics that go with it and then there are the the people who know how to play the game and have been there 20+ years. This is based on my experience, YMMV. We have only one person who has ever attended an actual EP school and it was ESI. He has nothing negative to say about it and attends their annual conference each year more so for networking than anything else.
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Hey brother, that's what I'm trying to figure out; the networking part. Most of my boys are still on the WPS/OGA side, so not much help there. If you don't mind me asking how'd you get into the EP business?
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Generally, if you want networking and a credential that will be recognised here and abroad, then EPI is the path of least resistance.

I'm not a fan of Oatman as his experience with non US based EP services is very limited IMO.

ESI is generally great if you can use the GI Bill, but it's way more than someone coming off WPS needs.
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Generally, if you want networking and a credential that will be recognised here and abroad, then EPI is the path of least resistance.

I'm not a fan of Oatman as his experience with non US based EP services is very limited IMO.

ESI is generally great if you can ise the GI Bill, but it's way more than someone coming off WPS needs.
Yup to all points; with regards to WPS, many corporates and family offices are "afraid" of the big "scary" contracting world, providing training from a reputable CONUS centric school helps them get over that; it also shows a willingness (of the applicant) to "retrain" as per environment. Not specific to ESI, in general, it's not a bad idea to get a cert (and knowledge that goes with it) as per the target market.

Re the GI Bill, it all depends, can a veteran use it for college or university? I KNOW there are many factors, but that's probably the direction I would go if Uncle Sam was paying.
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Hey brother, that's what I'm trying to figure out; the networking part. Most of my boys are still on the WPS/OGA side, so not much help there. If you don't mind me asking how'd you get into the EP business?
Join the industry groups on FB, LinkedIn, come to industry events (Vegas in Nov/Dec is a must), meet people, don't be a dick, maintain a good name and unshakeable integrity and you'll be good to go. Sort of like here on SN...

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Hey brother, that's what I'm trying to figure out; the networking part. Most of my boys are still on the WPS/OGA side, so not much help there. If you don't mind me asking how'd you get into the EP business?
LUCK! My father in law was flying back to Texas and just happened to be sitting next to someone who does protective intelligence work for us. They started chatting it up and I came up in the conversation. At the time I was working a DoD contract after having been on WPS. I interviewed about 5 or 6 times via skype and then came home and interviewed another 4 times with various managers. I worked as a contractor for a year before they offered me a full time spot.
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Oatman was the director, at one time, of where I work now. From those that are still around when he was there, they said there is nothing that any one of those schools can teach you that you don't already know or wont learn on a detail. I had only worked PSD before, thus the typical WPS background, no special school or certification. It really depends on how well you fit into the culture and with the client. We have had some really experienced and vetted guys not cut it because they could not adjust to the corporate life and politics that go with it and then there are the the people who know how to play the game and have been there 20+ years. This is based on my experience, YMMV. We have only one person who has ever attended an actual EP school and it was ESI. He has nothing negative to say about it and attends their annual conference each year more so for networking than anything else.
Spot on save for one, there is no longer an "ESI" conference. (For the benefit of the readers), there was a conference called EPIC, annually held and rotating between ESI and EPI, traditionally two competing schools - this is no longer and is now an annual conference of the International Security Protection Board which is run (the board) by Jerry from EPI, Fonda from ESI, Christian from AS Solution from Microsoft, and other industry leaders. The annual Vegas conference is a fantastic opportunity to listen to speakers, mingle, network and have fun. I'm there every year as a speaker, panel member or happy audience member. http://ips-board[dot]org/about-ipsboard/
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